2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Minz]

In a sport, nobody is owed anything. You do the best you can, and the scores are out of your control.

Even if the scores aren't what they could/should/would be, you still have to work for and earn everything.

 

[beachmouse]

Inside the Games is petty much a mouthpiece for the IOC and assorted international and national sporting bodies, and generally reliable in concept

All ROC skaters vaccinated against COVID-19 prior to Beijing 2022

All of the Russian Olympic Committee's (ROC) skaters have become fully vaccinated against COVID-19 prior to the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympic Games.

www.insidethegames.biz

So even though we know an incorrect detail (Russia has unvaccinated under-18s in Canada right now) in the bigger picture it sounds like China will accept Sputnik V vaccines for the Olympics and that RusFed will send a fully vaccinated squad, even the under-18s, to Beijing.

Reading it over again, it actually sounds like an error in translating a verb tenses (past when it should have been future) and not an incorrect detail.

English language media has also reported that Russians who wish to travel to vaccinated-restricted places before Sputnik V is WHO approved have also had good luck going to Serbia for a bit of 'vaccine tourism'.

 

[silveruskate]

Liza tried really hard and had to suffer at times with lots of bad (unfair) results to finally switch the reputation game to working for her. It's the same thing Sambo skaters do, she's been solid as a rock these recent seasons and delivered when others didn't.

I applaud her and her PCS. It didn't come for free because SHE changed the narrative. Something which I didn't know was possible in this era. Kudos to Elizaveta Tuktamysheva.

 

[skatesofgold]

For the record, Liza probably should have won the SP at Worlds last season. But none of her fans whined about it. We accepted the scores.

Liza‘s SP is real good. That has to be accepted.

And she has been beating Alena continuously every time they met the last year. It’s not a conspiracy at this point.

And I am glad Alena is slowly coming back, I have nothing against her. But she made bad career choices. Thats not Liza‘s or the judges fault.

And I have been nice and polite and bit my tongue a lot about her, but Liu has been way overhyped in here at the current moment. She does not have a better SP than Liza. She just doesn’t.

Liza is easily top 5 in the world right now. And her results reflect that.

Maybe the takeaway is to look at her work ethic and desire and emulate that instead of complaining about imagined scoring favors. She is what, 6 to 10 years older than everyone?

It seems some people need to learn to lose with dignity. As a Liza fan, I don’t knock Kamila or minimize her results, I say well done for beating my skater.

Neither Liza, nor Kamila, are my favorites. I've been trying to figure out why I don't like Kamila yet, and I think it's because she's fairly expressionless, and usually I don't care because I'm more of a figure skating fan who likes technical difficulty, but it's pretty blatant with her perhaps because of the music choices. It's the same reason I never understood the Yulia hype in 2014. On the other hand, Liza's style is just a mismatch with me, always has been.

 

[lurkerghost1]

But it’s easier to castigate the judge rather than seeing the deficiencies of the skaters that lead them to them getting a worse score than someone else.

PCS, and words like artistry are all opinion. And I’ll value the officials opinions way more than people whose favorites might have been overrated by them and whose favorites just flat out aren’t as good as they think.

Again I agree with you that Liza is on top right now. But still waiting for an answer on why these "experts" did this: https://www.skatingscores.com/1314/oly/women/long/standings/

Or here it is in chart form. Why were these "experts" unable to see Adelina's brilliance in 2013 GP season and gave her PCS <8.00 points. And how were they corrected in a span of two months to rightly give her PCS >9.00 far ahead of the reigning GPF champion?

The idea that the judges have any ability to accurately assess a skater's ability when they have to grade GOE and have like 20 seconds to make PCS decisions in giving them way too much credit.

 

[alexocfp]

Neither Liza, nor Kamila, are my favorites. I've been trying to figure out why I don't like Kamila yet, and I think it's because she's fairly expressionless, and usually I don't care because I'm more of a figure skating fan who likes technical difficulty, but it's pretty blatant with her perhaps because of the music choices. It's the same reason I never understood the Yulia hype in 2014. On the other hand, Liza's style is just a mismatch with me, always has been.

My posts aren’t to convince anyone to like a skater. My posts are in response to those that, without proof, disparage the judges.

Blaming officials for losses is one of my sports pet peeves.

 

[alexocfp]

Again I agree with you that Liza is on top right now. But still waiting for an answer on why these "experts" did this: https://www.skatingscores.com/1314/oly/women/long/standings/

Or here it is in chart form. Why were these "experts" unable to see Adelina's brilliance in 2013 GP season and gave her PCS <8.00 points. And how were they corrected in a span of two months to rightly give her PCS >9.00 far ahead of the reigning GPF champion?

The idea that the judges have any ability to accurately assess a skater's ability when they have to grade GOE and have like 20 seconds to make PCS decisions in giving them way too much credit.

What you just demonstrated above is that being an official is hard. That’s why everyone can‘t do it.

Them having 20 seconds make decisions is actually a lot better than most sports where decisions have to be taken in a split second.

Also, scoring going up and down in a span of a few months does not mean nefarious forces are at play. It just means scores fluctuate.

There is a lot of subjectivity in a judged sport. That’s just the way it is and if a skater doesn’t understand the nature of a judged sport, then they are in the wrong profession.

Some fans are also following the wrong sport, since a few just want to complain when the official scoring goes against their scoring.

Bottom line, there has been no proof that yesterday’s scores were in any way due to bribes or outside forces. So I consider anyone complaining about them a sore sport.

Complaining about judging after every event, and insinuating malfeasance, is just tiresome.

Let the judges judge and the fans be fans.

Not even going to comment on the ridiculous logic that Liza is simultaneously favored and not favored by Rus Fed.

 

[sclloyd]

Neither Liza, nor Kamila, are my favorites. I've been trying to figure out why I don't like Kamila yet, and I think it's because she's fairly expressionless, and usually I don't care because I'm more of a figure skating fan who likes technical difficulty, but it's pretty blatant with her perhaps because of the music choices. It's the same reason I never understood the Yulia hype in 2014. On the other hand, Liza's style is just a mismatch with me, always has been.

I think we saw each of the girls struggle competitively so it feels like a sham to see Kamila always get the benefit of the doubt. She had two meltdown performances last year and all of the normal critics of Sasha were silent. Ahhh how Anna will never truly be an artist with the same pensive face but Kamila the gorgeous flower is artistically unmatched without even the twitch of a lip. It makes her successes feel less deserved.

 

[prorussian fan]

I love the Bolero program! Kami is simply exceptional, I am very excited! It is a privilege to be a fan of figure skating these days. What Kamila just did is historical!

 

[Rudel-chw]

Russia 1-2-3:

 

[alexocfp]

Nobody might like this but it has to be said. At this moment, Liza is the second best skater on earth.

Dissect the judges all you want, but the above statement is fact.

 

[alexocfp]

Russia 1-2-3:

Holy lord, Kamila is officially not human. She runs on batteries.

Scary thought of the day: her program wasn’t even entirely clean and she left points on the table.

 

[eterialskating]

Nobody might like this but it has to be said. At this moment, Liza is the second best skater on earth.

Dissect the judges all you want, but the above statement is fact.

Yes her fans can gobble up all the 9's the judges are showering her but no sane fans are fooled. I believe Anna has yet to show her cards and besides even if she's on one leg her performance level is about a hundred stories above Tuk.

 

[alexocfp]

Yes her fans can gobble up all the 9's the judges are showering her but no sane fans are fooled. I believe Anna has yet to show her cards and besides even if she's on one leg her performance level is about a hundred stories above Tuk.

Thats my point. That is why I said right now. Anna is injured and not at top level, Trusova is still hit or miss (and chokes a lot at this point), so who right now, at this moment, is better?

And obviously we are gobbling up the 9’s that she has earned through hard work, skill, desire, mental fortitude, and being a champion.

We will ride this hot streak as far as it takes us.

 

[Iniyaa]

Nobody might like this but it has to be said. At this moment, Liza is the second best skater on earth.

Dissect the judges all you want, but the above statement is fact.

I just don't get the hate liza gets online , I think it's because people behind the computers dissect the program way too much. Liza really fares well with the crowd on the moment. I see people calling liza's skating wooden or vulgar but to me she looks confident, feminine, unapologetically sensual and the crowd loves it.
Liza on ice portrays herself not a black swan not an angel not a tortured soul.

 

[flanker]

Nobody might like this but it has to be said. At this moment, Liza is the second best skater on earth.

Dissect the judges all you want, but the above statement is fact.

That's not a holy script. It's your opinion which is your right to have one, but opinions should not be confused for facts, esp. by those who state them. I definitely do not submit to anyone's mere opinion.

 

[Iniyaa]

Yes her fans can gobble up all the 9's the judges are showering her but no sane fans are fooled. I believe Anna has yet to show her cards and besides even if she's on one leg her performance level is about a hundred stories above Tuk.

SANE fans you say!

 

[alexocfp]

I just don't get the hate liza gets online , I think it's because people behind the computers dissect the program way too much. Liza really fares well with the crowd on the moment. I see people calling liza's skating wooden or vulgar but to me she looks confident, feminine, unapologetically sensual and the crowd loves it.
Liza on ice portrays herself not a black swan not an angel not a tortured soul.

I say no problem. The medals and scores and championship are what go in the record books, not the names she is or isn’t called. Haha

 

[eterialskating]

Exits? Really? Was Satoko ever appreciated for the extremely difficult landing position she used to do on the 3S (landing in Rippon position) or was Rika given credit for her Biellman spiral out of 3A or her amazing spiral transition immediately out of 3Lz? No obviously, this is the first time anyone had told me about exits. Entrances on the other hand have frequently been mentioned as a reason:

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Yeah I can paste 6-7 seconds of Satoko being beautifully and elegantly going into jumps too. Back counter into 2A is not special by the way these days. The spiral before is for sure though, amazing and unique work by Daria. In fact those transitions are why Daria has one of the best or even the #1 best 2A in the world.

Would Daria be able to step to this tango, and not only step to it but pay proper cultural respect to the Argentinian tango style while doing so as Satoko did?
More relevantly, would Medvedeva be able to? The answer is no, Medvedeva never had the carriage, body tension, or port de bras needed for a tango. Which is why we got this "tango" from Evgenia at the same event. But I'll let you guess which one got the higher PCS.


"Artistry" reason: Because Karen remembered her choreo and got a level 4 and hit her spiral on the music.
Real reason: Because Karen placed 4th at Worlds and has more of a reputation right now.


Thank you. PCS is about narrative not skill.

Odd choice using Medvedeva as she is no slouch in the performance department besides tango was never Medvedeva's strong suit and frankly most of the time Medvedeva wins in PCS for me. Miyahara may ae done a better tango but Miyahara has glaring problems that lowers her scores. Besides her tango is certainly not better than what Alyona did with her Adios Nonino. That one was a perfect 10 for me but then you already what kind of scores juniors get.

 

[alexocfp]

That's not a holy script. It's your opinion which is your right to have one, but opinions should not be confused for facts, esp. by those who state them. I definitely do not submit to anyone's mere opinion.

Fair enough. On Sunday 31st October, tell me who is better and why.

And I’m not accepting potential scores or intangibles.

Who has achieved more on ice besides Kamila to this point?

Which is a point in my favor because her assignments have been with Kamila as competiton.

And has only lost to her and has outscored every other Russian.

A lot of numbers and medals back up my opinion.

What metrics, other than those, make a case for someone else? Sports is about performance and winning, right?

How about this question: If Russia had to chose their Olympic team today, does Liza get left out?

It’s not my imagination either. In the last 60 minutes, the odds of her making the Olympic team went from 4.00 to 2.50. Those that put their money down have been pouring it into Liza the last hour.