2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Tokyo Drift]

I wouldn't call her SS beautiful.I'm actually kind of repulsed by this program. The choreography is schitzo and frantic.
I would appreciate those quads more if she didnt completely face forward them. It was so visible during slo- mo.
And really don't like that popping joints stuff to show how flexible you are. It is creepy. Along with hands.
I can't remember any key points or moves from the program once it's over (other than creepy hands at the beginning), that's probably Daniil's fault but I still can't feel anything for her one way or the other. And what with all of Valieva's hand gestures in that red glove ?

Dear Brigit66, you know me having goosebumps reading you sometimes , and that's the point.
Not knowing you, i remain sincere and cautious.

I have a bad (like ) background in dance, it was just for the fun of copying the moves that fascinated me.
Then i discovered the "bone-breaking" style, i tried hard : hearing my knee joint crunch like chocolate was my limit
Then I've been around dancers making that type of extreme moves. One had explained to me that he had this extreme flexibility without training, like a birth gift, ok. Gifted or not some others patiently work, relentless, or torture themselves putting their health at stake.

I quickly realized that sharing videos of that amazing "bone-breaking" style is not everyone's taste &heart: some looks away, quits, insults.
From this angle i respect your sensitivity, without agreeing with what seemed to me to be denigrating words at first reading.
Presuming the next sequences are your worst nightmare, please do not click ; but it might picture how can be your repulsion (and my amazement) for the extreme flexibility, if that's what it's all about.​

You can find tons of web debates, mythes about the type of people who are naturally "Double-Jointed", "Triple-Jointed", "4A-jointed"
(don't mind the last ) _ Whether Kamila is a paranormal activity in addition to being a hard worker is none of my business : her sumptuous introductory Bolero "Cross Arm Back Elbow Threads" tricks are of the Class to crunch my

This could explain (to me at least) why you do find her skating so horrifying and why you can think she is gifted by the Heavens so unfairly.
So unfairly that, as you must have a perfect sight to become a fighter pilote, you must have to survive the trials of the centrifuge machine to become an astronaut, and you must have that two + high flexibility, at least, to become a Next Level Top figure skater. Not everyone have.​

 

[Thrashergurl]

Alina honestly appeared completely over skating after she won Olympic gold. So many people have discussed it to death and honestly, who would blame her? She had the skate of her life at the Olympics, followed by a disastrous skate at Worlds resulting in harsh criticism from people all over the world…all at the age of what? 15?!?! It’s a lot of pressure for a kid. I think we tend to forget these are real people and only human.

I honestly don’t think Alina could compete with the youngsters and she knew it. She trained with them. She saw what she was up against and she was getting beat by them. She couldn’t do quads or triple axels, and wasn’t really in prime shape anymore. I respect her 100%, but she could not beat the 3A. Just as none of them can beat Kamila now. In a sense she resembles Alina and her career might be similar

 

[alexocfp]

Empress odds to make Olympic team down to 2.35. It was at 4 this time last week.

For those wondering about everyone else:

Olympics 2022. Beijing. Women. Team of Russia

22 DECEMBER AT 04:00	YES	NO
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Valieva Kamila	1.03	9.50
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Trusova Alexandra	1.55	2.30
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Shcherbakova Anna	1.85	1.85
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Tuktamysheva Elizaveta	2.35	1.52
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Khromykh Maiia	3.50	1.25
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Usacheva Daria	5.50	1.11
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Kostornaia Alena	10.00	1.03
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Frolova Anna	35.00	—
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Nugumanova Elizaveta	50.00	—
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Guliakova Anastasiia	75.00	—
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Samodurova Sofia	100.00	—
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Konstantinova Stanislava	150.00	—

Not listed here but Kamila is heavy favorite to win the gold medal odds wise.

So now is your chance to cash in if you don’t believe in Kamila. Haha

Also, if Sofia makes it, the people that bet on her can buy the Olympics. Haha

 

[Scott512]

The video of KVs amazing free skate from Skate Canada has been put on YouTube and when I looked at it this morning there were the most amazing comments about her from figure skating fans. Nice to see.

 

[Scott512]

Empress odds to make Olympic team down to 2.35. It was at 4 this time last week.

For those wondering about everyone else:

Olympics 2022. Beijing. Women. Team of Russia

22 DECEMBER AT 04:00	YES	NO
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Valieva Kamila	1.03	9.50
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Trusova Alexandra	1.55	2.30
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Shcherbakova Anna	1.85	1.85
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Tuktamysheva Elizaveta	2.35	1.52
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Khromykh Maiia	3.50	1.25
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Usacheva Daria	5.50	1.11
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Kostornaia Alena	10.00	1.03
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Frolova Anna	35.00	—
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Nugumanova Elizaveta	50.00	—
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Guliakova Anastasiia	75.00	—
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Samodurova Sofia	100.00	—
Russian team at the 2022 Olympics: Konstantinova Stanislava	150.00	—

Not listed here but Kamila is heavy favorite to win the gold medal odds wise.

So now is your chance to cash in if you don’t believe in Kamila. Haha

Also, if Sofia makes it, the people that bet on her can buy the Olympics. Haha

To have Aliona behind Dasha is peculiar. AK has new better programs and she has her triple axle back even though it's not in its optimum form and Dasha has no triple axle or quad.

 

[alexocfp]

To have Aliona behind Dasha is peculiar. AK has new better programs and she has her triple axle back even though it's not in its optimum form and Dasha has no triple axle or quad.

Well, if you put 10,000 dollars on AK right now, she will jump ahead in the odds.

Odds aren’t stagnant, they change based on action, or non action coming in.

 

[rollerblade]

^ Are you a sports betting broker or something?

 

[flanker]

Alina honestly appeared completely over skating after she won Olympic gold. So many people have discussed it to death and honestly, who would blame her? She had the skate of her life at the Olympics, followed by a disastrous skate at Worlds resulting in harsh criticism from people all over the world…all at the age of what? 15?!?! It’s a lot of pressure for a kid. I think we tend to forget these are real people and only human.

I honestly don’t think Alina could compete with the youngsters and she knew it. She trained with them. She saw what she was up against and she was getting beat by them. She couldn’t do quads or triple axels, and wasn’t really in prime shape anymore. I respect her 100%, but she could not beat the 3A. Just as none of them can beat Kamila now. In a sense she resembles Alina and her career might be similar

You somehow forgot to add that "the disastrous skate" at worlds that followed the "skate of her life" at the olympics, was then followed by at least three other "skates of her life", at Nebelhorn, Japan Open and of course the very next Worlds. So many "skates of someone's life" make it look like a standard, I think.

Once again, Liza is competitive, at least according to the judges. Why Alina, who could score higher than Liza and without 3A, could not be competitive. The reason why she is currently not skating competitively has nothing to do with the younger skaters and it is not a valid argument fot raising the senior age eligibility.

 

[Azikin]

The reason why she is currently not skating competitively has nothing to do with the younger skaters.

Are you sure she wouldn't be competing if she didn't have any competition in Russia?

 

[flanker]

Are you sure she wouldn't be competing if she didn't have any competition in Russia?

Pretty much, yes. She said she wanted the hiatus even before 2018/19, where the fact that one last big title remained to be won for her helped Eteri to persuade her to compete. When she won it, as she said, she "didn't owe anything to anybody."

And Alina is not blind. She has to see that many competitions could be won for her, even the last worlds. Yes,one can say Kamila or 3A at their fill strength can outscore her, but people said that about Rika that Alina can't be a champion anymore against her. (Not) surprisingly the same people now claim that Alina is not competitive when skaters who score less that Alina did are considered medal contenders. Why it has to be fear or what that particular people repeatedly attribute particularly to Alina, a skater who overcame so much on her way to be champion of everything. If she wants to do other things it's her free decision, I may be sad because of it but I also should be glad that she found other areas she wants to engage.

But back to the beginning again, Alina's case is not the argument for raising the senior age eligibility and so is not Evgenia's case etc.

 

[macy]

IMO it is likely a combination of reasons for Alina's decision to not return. she was open about wanting a break since the olympics and having lost motivation since she won everything, but i think since she's been gone she also knows she can't be as competitive as she was before when she was winning with triple-triples. she knew what was coming up the pipeline the last couple years. and, she has been out of competitive shape for 2 years now. it is insanely difficult to regain that type of fitness once you lose it, especially after that long.

i do wish we would have gotten a swan song though, she was really starting to come into her own mature artistry her last season.

 

[Minz]

One thing, Alina is still Russia’s most decorated women’s single skater, and it might stay that way for a while.

Russia has only 2 individual OGM’s in women’s, and while they will probably get another one this year, what are the chances that someone wins not only the Olympics, but, GPF, and Worlds in this insanely stacked field?

 

[Minz]

The official list of Olympic Candidates for Beijing 2022 has come out from the ROC.

(Sofia Samodelkina was also included on this list for some reason, even though she is too young to go)

Also, this has almost nothing to do with who actually makes the Olympic team, so don’t worry. I believe this is similar to the US, where everyone at Champs Camp registers for the Olympics, but obviously only up to 3 are actually selected for the team. (I guess that the ROC publishes this list, as I don’t think that the USOPC does.)

 

[Scott512]

Well, if you put 10,000 dollars on AK right now, she will jump ahead in the odds.

Odds aren’t stagnant, they change based on action, or non action coming in.

I am enticed to do that but scared to do that.

I think the odds will need to be revised at the Grand Prix final and see if the top 4 or 5 Russian girls can skate well there then we'll have a better idea.

I hope for the sake of the Russian ladies that the Grand Prix final is in Europe.

 

[Paulipau]

I am enticed to do that but scared to do that.

I think the odds will need to be revised at the Grand Prix final and see if the top 4 or 5 Russian girls can skate well there then we'll have a better idea.

I hope for the sake of the Russian ladies that the Grand Prix final is in Europe.

It is in Japan, isn't it?

 

[kwanatic]

One thing, Alina is still Russia’s most decorated women’s single skater, and it might stay that way for a while.

Russia has only 2 individual OGM’s in women’s, and while they will probably get another one this year, what are the chances that someone wins not only the Olympics, but, GPF, and Worlds in this insanely stacked field?

Technically, Irina Slutskaya is Russia's most decorated women's single skater but I get what you mean.

However, since Irina, the most decorated skater title actually belongs to Evgenia. Alina managed to win everything but, by comparison, her career was rather short--just two and half senior seasons. In terms of titles, Evgenia's got her beat. With the exception of the Olympics, Evgenia won everything Alina won twice - 2 world titles, 2 GPF titles, 2 Euro titles, 2 national titles.

For the second question, I could totally see Kamila winning everything this season. It fits: 15 year old in her debut season...and just like Alina, Kamila has come in knocking out the previously established contenders. Her scores are only going to get higher as the season goes on. It would be a challenge but if I had to bet on someone, it'd be Kamila at this point.

 

[macy]

Actually, Irina Slutskaya is Russia's most decorated women's single skater.

Since Irina, the most decorated skater title actually belongs to Evgenia. Alina managed to win everything but, by comparison, her career was rather short--just two and half senior seasons. In terms of titles, Evgenia's got her beat. With the exception of the Olympics, Evgenia won everything Alina won twice - 2 world titles, 2 GPF titles, 2 Euro titles, 2 national titles.

For the second question, I could totally see Kamila winning everything this season. It fits: 15 year old in her debut season...and just like Alina, Kamila has come in knocking out the previously established contenders. Her scores are only going to get higher as the season goes on. It would be a challenge but if I had to bet on someone, it'd be Kamila at this point.

i'd be surprised if Kamila didn't win everything this season. i mean, look at her score from last weekend, and this was her FIRST grand prix. she is 10/10 the chosen one this season and they're going to do everything they can for her to go into the olympics in the same fashion Alina did.

even with mistakes it's going to take a lot for her to lose.

 

[Scott512]

Hi9It is in Japan, isn't it?

Too bad. That means two very long trips for all the girls to the Grand Prix final and then the Olympics 2 months later.

Coronavirus was a problem during the summer olympics in Tokyo a couple months ago let's hope things are better there for the Grand Prix final.

 

[Elana]

I'm trying to figure out odds of who can make it to the GPF in my head... does anyone think there is a chance of Alyona beating Anna when they meet? Also do you guys think will Anna be on her game this weekend or could Maia beat her again?

 

[Minz]

I'm trying to figure out odds of who can make it to the GPF in my head... does anyone think there is a chance of Alyona beating Anna when they meet? Also do you guys think will Anna be on her game this weekend or could Maia beat her again?

If Anna has her quad(s) consistent and stable she could beat Aliona and Maia. Without Anna’s quads, Aliona and Maia have a technical advantage if they can do their elements well.

But of course, it’s long past the time where I’d count anyone or anything out.