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Great news! Is she eventually planning to do 3 quads in the LP? Otherwise I don't understand why she'd do one 4Lz and one 4F like at Nationals when she could just repeat whichever the stronger jump is.
I think for Anna, if she only does 2 quads, a 4Lz and 4F are better than 4Lz and 4Lz+3T. She can repeat another triple in place of a 2A. And if she falls on the first quad, she can still go for the second without risk of +combo. The most ideal layout for Anna with 2 quads is the one at nationals.
 
Russian nationals predictions right now? Impossible to make imo but I’ll give it a shot:

1. Valieva
2. Shcherbakova
3. Akatieva
4. Trusova
5. Tuktamysheva
6. Khromykh
7. Muravyeva
8. Kostornaia
9. Usacheva
10. Samodelkina
12. Petrosyan
13. Sinitsyna
14. Zinina
15. Morozova
16. Gulyakova
17. Samodurova
18. Molchanova
 
Russian nationals predictions right now? Impossible to make imo but I’ll give it a shot:

1. Valieva
2. Shcherbakova
3. Akatieva
4. Trusova
5. Tuktamysheva
6. Khromykh
7. Muravyeva
8. Kostornaia
9. Usacheva
10. Samodelkina
12. Petrosyan
13. Sinitsyna
14. Zinina
15. Morozova
16. Gulyakova
17. Samodurova
18. Molchanova

I would go like:

1. Trusova
2. Valieva
3. Akateva
4. Shcherbakova
5. Tuktamysheva
6. Samodelkina
7. Muravyeva
8. Khromykh
9. Usacheva
10. Kostornaia

The rest could go either way.

I know that you guys think I'm crazy for putting Trusova first but I have a theory that she actually delivers when she knows she has to, when there is no space for error.

She had to deliver at last nationals as she knew that if she doesn't go sqeaky clean she has no chances for gold, same with SA last week.
If she wouldn't deliver as Test Skates everyone would just say, yea this is this same old mess Trusova, falls in the short and in the long.
I don't think that having the space for error (like in most competitions) is helping her.
 
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Russian nationals predictions right now? Impossible to make imo but I’ll give it a shot:

1. Valieva
2. Shcherbakova
3. Akatieva
4. Trusova
5. Tuktamysheva
6. Khromykh
7. Muravyeva
8. Kostornaia
9. Usacheva
10. Samodelkina
12. Petrosyan
13. Sinitsyna
14. Zinina
15. Morozova
16. Gulyakova
17. Samodurova
18. Molchanova
Gulyakova is not very likely going to make nationals this season. Her ranking in the last Russian cup makes her need a podium finish which wont be easy for her but she could do it. Also Molchanova is going to get pushed out By Sofia S in the cup standings soon instead Yemetova is going to nationals. But other than that a very likely result tho I would have Sofia S far higher.
 
If Anna has her quad(s) consistent and stable she could beat Aliona and Maia. Without Anna’s quads, Aliona and Maia have a technical advantage if they can do their elements well.

But of course, it’s long past the time where I’d count anyone or anything out.
I mean it's not like Aliona has landed her 3A cleanly in as long as Anna's landed her quad cleanly. I wouldn't say either has a technical advantage.

*sigh* So many talented ladies will be left off the team..
 
Kamila may be not to everyone's taste. I have come to the conclusion that's it is futile to argue about tastes. Some people adore Wakaba's skating - I dislike it. So what? The thing is that when talking about figure skating as sport Kamila is the GOAT. 265 points with a stepout - come on, people. Quads are not permitted in the SP. Adding a 4T-3T and 4S to her SP, what would her score be, 280? Convert it to men's pcs - we are talking about 305-310. Only 2 men in history could score higher. So, with all due respect to Alina whom I find amazing, Kamila is a new generation on a very different level. Unless something bad happens, she will easily get Alina's "Grand Slam" and she may not even need 2 years for that. Hence, I don't agree with "stay that way for a while".
I love Kamila.

However, it's a bit premature to be calling her the GOAT (Greatest of All Time). She's 15 years old and has been competing as a senior for all of one month. She's amazing yes but she doesn't have any longevity yet nor any big titles.

Furthermore, it's not like she's not beatable - it's not a forgone conclusion that she will win any competition she enters. Sasha can beat her and has a higher technical ceiling. Also waiting in the wings are Sofia A, etc all of whom have even higher technical content then she did at even younger ages.
 
As much as I agree that Kamila is amazing, I don’t think that we can call someone the greatest of all time after just a few senior competitions. Give it more time and she could surely grab that title - as could many other of these incredible skaters
I think just the fact that you said "as could many other of these incredible skaters" means that they aren't GOATs.
 
I think some of us are upset because some serious flaws are being ignored by the judges while other skaters are marked down for the same.
Agreed, although I don't think that really extends to any of Russia's top 6/7. Or if it does right now definitely doesn't compared to other countries and hasn't always in the past.
 
Trusova's returned to ice only yesterday in her attempt to prepare for NHK.
With Kihira WD the Sasha's quest to reach the GPF looks more realistic now.
But I'm in doubt for RusNats. Yet she only needs the 3rd place among eligibles.
 
Shcherbakova's 3 quad FS layout from 2019-2020 is actually higher BV than Valieva's Skate Canada FS BV - protocols posted in post #4332
That’s true, but Kamila will also have a BV advantage in the short.
If Kamila is clean in both programs it would be really hard or near impossible to beat her. If Anna pulls out 3 quads she certainly will have a chance if Kamila has even 1 error. Sasha is capable of beating Kamila, if Sasha is clean with 5 quads. Aliona is capable of scoring very high if she fully returns to her 19-20 shape. She’s getting closer there, but still a lot of work to do. She can certainly capitalize if other 3 don’t deliver perfect skates, if she’s fully back to her best shape.

However, I don’t know how possible it is for all of them to go clean. The jumps and the layouts they are going for are extremely difficult and any of them can make errors. Time will tell and it’s too early to predict things. The only wrong prediction is counting anyone out, they all are gritty and hardworking and can deliver when no one expects them to. I hope they all will deliver the skates that make them proud of themselves.
 
I think just the fact that you said "as could many other of these incredible skaters" means that they aren't GOATs.
No, not now. But they all have the potental to become GOATs. Of course, not all of them can be otherwise it defeats the purpose of Greatest Of All Time.
 
Men must be really grateful that Kamila isn't in men's skating scoring 300+ with what is pretty mundane content, and not cleanly skated at that. A good demonstration of how out of control women's scoring is.
the men do plenty of flopping and get high scores. It's a part of the game thanks to quads and triple axles. Kamila can fall twice and still win. It's just the way the sport is set up.
Stop undermining Kamila just because you don't like her. The men have been godfawful the past quad so it's not surprising there haven't many opportunities for judges to give top PCS scores and that even includes Hanyu. Chen is nowhere near Kamila or Anna performance wise so his scores will not have the same growth. I mean just look at the European men's and they are hopeless. It's been 2 years since Javi retired and no one has taken his mantle. They are terrible.
I agree with you a thousand percent!

Also how many times did you Yuzu fall in Sochi and win gold? That does not take away from his greatness it just shows how difficult his routines are and the same thing with KV she could fall twice and still win the Olympic gold.

The European men will improve in the next couple years we did have a pandemic to deal with and so did they.
There's a few good Russian guys they just need more time to develop. I mean Dima won Europeans a couple years ago and then had ankle surgery The Following fall and that derailed his progress.

Maybe we will find out this weekend if Maya is a real Contender for the Olympic team. Anna is automatically a contender but she will need her quads back to win Nationals again and make the Olympic team.
 
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That’s true, but Kamila will also have a BV advantage in the short.
If Kamila is clean in both programs it would be really hard or near impossible to beat her. If Anna pulls out 3 quads she certainly will have a chance if Kamila has even 1 error. Sasha is capable of beating Kamila, if Sasha is clean with 5 quads. Aliona is capable of scoring very high if she fully returns to her 19-20 shape. She’s getting closer there, but still a lot of work to do. She can certainly capitalize if other 3 don’t deliver perfect skates, if she’s fully back to her best shape.

However, I don’t know how possible it is for all of them to go clean. The jumps and the layouts they are going for are extremely difficult and any of them can make errors. Time will tell and it’s too early to predict things. The only wrong prediction is counting anyone out, they all are gritty and hardworking and can deliver when no one expects them to. I hope they all will deliver the skates that make them proud of themselves.
It also depends on whether they'll artificially deflate Sasha's PCS. It's easy to say Aliona's deflated scores are deserved because she was known for her PCS, and well, she's not there anymore (but she's not as bad as the scores say).

BUT POOR SASHA. Her five quad FS at test skates and even her 1 quad FS at SkAm are both artistically so much better than almost anything we've seen this year. In part because there's actually really choreography in it and not just flailing arms accompanied to crossovers and I'm a massive believer that kicking your leg out or doing some "balletic" arm extension in time to the music is not actually choreo, but also because it's just a great layout. But she never gets the artistic credit she deserves. She got a reputation for being all muscle in juniors and the judges haven't let her escape that even though her only weakness now is really her spins. She should be getting better scores in most PCS categories than Kamila and better GOE on jumps than Kamila and Anna. I'd say Anna and Kamila should get better GOE on spins, but Sasha has the SS, THE TRANSITIONS, the composition. The fact that she's still not breaking 9's in at least those three, but really all of the categories, and that her PCS has improved only 1.5 points between Skate Canada 2019 and Skate America 2021 is literally tragic on her end considering how much better she obviously is in all areas.

If judges were more objective with this years programs:
--Liza would absolutely win Performance -- by a good margin. I hate her FS but it's not because she isn't engaged and doesn't sell it. No one else could do that program and not look like a clown. It's so unique to her. Anna can probably eclipse this now that she's apparently back in form. A good Aliona would, but I'm not confident in saying she's there this season. Daria and Kamila's SPs could be up here, but they're too removed from the audience, for it, imo. Maia is definitely tied or ahead of Liza for the SP.
--Sasha would win Transitions, Daria and Anna just behind. She has a choreo filled quad program-- never an uninteresting moment in and out of elements.
--Sasha/Daria would win Skating Skills. Kamila, and Anna a little behind. Anna is great at masking weakness, I think she does so here. Aliona's SS is really dependent on her conditioning, so while she does have some excellent SS, I wouldn't put her at the top as they deteriorate rapidly when she's tired.
--Kamila would get +4/5 GOE on spins obviously but would never get higher +1/+2 on jumps. I'd also take some GOE from Aliona for super tight landings. Maia is a hit or miss with landings, so depending on which one it is, I'd also cap her at +1/+2, at least for combos, esp. with quads. Daria's 2A is like a +5 jump every time. So smooth. When she jumps clean its sort of outrageous she's getting 3's from anyone. Anna, Sasha, and Daria all consistently jump better than Kamila, Aliona, and Maia but I don't think scoring reflects that properly. Aliona jumps better than Kamila, Aliona especially has better combos, while I think Maia and Kamila are very close and I also don't think that's reflected.
--Aliona and Anna would win Interpretation of music-- though not Vivaldi. Sasha, Liza, Kamila, tied slightly behind, Anna slightly ahead of Aliona. However, Maia's SP for me beats Aliona and Anna as is, it's just her weakness in the FS still that puts the total impression behind Anna and Aliona. Same with Liza, where she would win FS interpretation for me, but really loses a lot of that in the SP.
--Sasha would win composition, Anna just behind. I'd take marks from Kamila's Bolero because the choreography has nothing to do with the music and as soon as she's off beat from a fall or something, it just looks (and sounds) worse than it already does. Sasha used to get marked down on composition because "the program was empty" until she completed the quads. Exact same qualm here. Nothing going on until the quads are done. Maia's SP would again get great marks from me for composition.

I would also like to personally fire Judge 3 at Skate Canada who gave negative GOE to non-disruptive URs in Liza's and Aliona's performances, gave Mai a ZERO for her CLEAN 3Lz-2T-2Lo combo and then gave Kamila a +1 for the 3A step out-- while giving Aliona a -3 for a near identical step out, and a 0 in the short for a LANDED 3A. AND they gave Bolero a 10.0 for composition? Unforgivably biased judging. Other judges were horrible, too. You would think Aliona splatted on the 3A and 3Lz but the 3Lz was landed and the judges still marked it worse than Kamila's 3A step-out. Unweighted to the element value, Kamila's GOE on the step-out was -1.66. Aliona's UR Lutz was -1.89. HOW.
 
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No one commented on the SP today yet? Well, here goes nothing.

Maiia: Continues to improve in terms of handling her nerves. She looked visibly "off" here from the start of the program - compare the performance to her Budapest short and it becomes obvious. A lot more cautious and slow today. The combo wasn't the greatest (she landed the flip on the inside edge and barely managed to tack on the 3T, resulting in a loss of flow overall), so the GOE really was quite generous. Still - not a bad start to her first GP event by any means. If she lands her quads tomorrow, she can very well end up winning.

Anna: Good thinking on the combo. Shows presence of mind and really saved her score as a +COMBO and mandatory -5 GOE would have been devastating. Now, however, she‘s still very much in the game and a 2 points deficit means nothing, as long as she performs well tomorrow. Looks like the quads are back, so it will come down to who‘s cleaner in the FS.

Overall, she continues to be impressive in performing even after a mistake. The StSq was really expressive and she‘s doing her best to breathe some life into the barely existing choreography of that program. Not sure about the GOE on her combination, however. That was a very obvious error and she had a large pause between the 3Lz and the 2T that should not have gotten positive GOE.

Sofia: Well, I‘m sorry for her because she‘s a lovely performer but the TES just isn‘t there at all. At this point, it‘s not even only the jumps, she also only got one level 4 throughout the whole program. With the amount of talent in Russia, I don‘t see her back on the GP circuit next year, sadly… I‘m still rooting for her to have a better FS tomorrow.

Overall, not the best performance for the Russian women but far from a disaster. If they skate anything close to their potential, they‘ll be put first and second tomorrow. Still, seeing these results does make me a bit sad about Skate Canada being so crowded…
 
No one commented on the SP today yet? Well, here goes nothing.

Maiia: Continues to improve in terms of handling her nerves. She looked visibly "off" here from the start of the program - compare the performance to her Budapest short and it becomes obvious. A lot more cautious and slow today. The combo wasn't the greatest (she landed the flip on the inside edge and barely managed to tack on the 3T, resulting in a loss of flow overall), so the GOE really was quite generous. Still - not a bad start to her first GP event by any means. If she lands her quads tomorrow, she can very well end up winning.

Anna: Good thinking on the combo. Shows presence of mind and really saved her score as a +COMBO and mandatory -5 GOE would have been devastating. Now, however, she‘s still very much in the game and a 2 points deficit means nothing, as long as she performs well tomorrow. Looks like the quads are back, so it will come down to who‘s cleaner in the FS.

Overall, she continues to be impressive in performing even after a mistake. The StSq was really expressive and she‘s doing her best to breathe some life into the barely existing choreography of that program. Not sure about the GOE on her combination, however. That was a very obvious error and she had a large pause between the 3Lz and the 2T that should not have gotten positive GOE.

Sofia: Well, I‘m sorry for her because she‘s a lovely performer but the TES just isn‘t there at all. At this point, it‘s not even only the jumps, she also only got one level 4 throughout the whole program. With the amount of talent in Russia, I don‘t see her back on the GP circuit next year, sadly… I‘m still rooting for her to have a better FS tomorrow.

Overall, not the best performance for the Russian women but far from a disaster. If they skate anything close to their potential, they‘ll be put first and second tomorrow. Still, seeing these results does make me a bit sad about Skate Canada being so crowded…
I said this was the weakest GP of them all and I guess I'm right.

Let's see what happens in the free skate. I hope Maya and Anna go 1 and 2 and that Sofia can break 200.
 
Was Anna's Lutz that bad? She could have managed a -3Lo on it or even -3T (if she didn't take the extended time). It was lack of confidence, which she said herself in the interview after her program.
 
I would go like:

1. Trusova
2. Valieva
3. Akateva
4. Shcherbakova
5. Tuktamysheva
6. Samodelkina
7. Muravyeva
8. Khromykh
9. Usacheva
10. Kostornaia

The rest could go either way.

I know that you guys think I'm crazy for putting Trusova first but I have a theory that she actually delivers when she knows she has to, when there is no space for error.

She had to deliver at last nationals as she knew that if she doesn't go sqeaky clean she has no chances for gold, same with SA last week.
If she wouldn't deliver as Test Skates everyone would just say, yea this is this same old mess Trusova, falls in the short and in the long.
I don't think that having the space for error (like in most competitions) is helping her.
But what level of Hater by eteri, place Muravyeva above Seniors very higher as usacheva, Khromykh and Kostornaia just by hitting SANMBO 70 is laughable ... Leave the Hater aside please ... Muravyeva suffers to defeat Juniors who are not Russian and believe that it will defeat the Eteri Senior !!!!!
 
But what level of Hater by eteri, place Muravyeva above Seniors very higher as usacheva, Khromykh and Kostornaia just by hitting SANMBO 70 is laughable ... Leave the Hater aside please ... Muravyeva suffers to defeat Juniors who are not Russian and believe that it will defeat the Eteri Senior !!!!!
idk if its hatred of Eteri or love of Sofia, but yeah, lol. she's good for juniors but she isn't *that* good, lol. Also, there's a reason Maia and Daria are competing in seniors and Sofia Samodelkina isn't. She's got those quads but putting her ahead of Aliona, Maia, and Daria, is uhhh... controversial.
 
It also depends on whether they'll artificially deflate Sasha's PCS. It's easy to say Aliona's deflated scores are deserved because she was known for her PCS, and well, she's not there anymore (but she's not as bad as the scores say).

BUT POOR SASHA. Her five quad FS at test skates and even her 1 quad FS at SkAm are both artistically so much better than almost anything we've seen this year. In part because there's actually really choreography in it and not just flailing arms accompanied to crossovers and I'm a massive believer that kicking your leg out or doing some "balletic" arm extension in time to the music is not actually choreo, but also because it's just a great layout. But she never gets the artistic credit she deserves. She got a reputation for being all muscle in juniors and the judges haven't let her escape that even though her only weakness now is really her spins. She should be getting better scores in most PCS categories than Kamila and better GOE on jumps than Kamila and Anna. I'd say Anna and Kamila should get better GOE on spins, but Sasha has the SS, THE TRANSITIONS, the composition. The fact that she's still not breaking 9's in at least those three, but really all of the categories, and that her PCS has improved only 1.5 points between Skate Canada 2019 and Skate America 2021 is literally tragic on her end considering how much better she obviously is in all areas.

If judges were more objective with this years programs:
--Liza would absolutely win Performance -- by a good margin. I hate her FS but it's not because she isn't engaged and doesn't sell it. No one else could do that program and not look like a clown. It's so unique to her. Anna can probably eclipse this now that she's apparently back in form. A good Aliona would, but I'm not confident in saying she's there this season. Daria and Kamila's SPs could be up here, but they're too removed from the audience, for it, imo. Maia is definitely tied or ahead of Liza for the SP.
--Sasha would win Transitions, Daria and Anna just behind. She has a choreo filled quad program-- never an uninteresting moment in and out of elements.
--Sasha/Daria would win Skating Skills. Kamila, and Anna a little behind. Anna is great at masking weakness, I think she does so here. Aliona's SS is really dependent on her conditioning, so while she does have some excellent SS, I wouldn't put her at the top as they deteriorate rapidly when she's tired.
--Kamila would get +4/5 GOE on spins obviously but would never get higher +1/+2 on jumps. I'd also take some GOE from Aliona for super tight landings. Maia is a hit or miss with landings, so depending on which one it is, I'd also cap her at +1/+2, at least for combos, esp. with quads. Daria's 2A is like a +5 jump every time. So smooth. When she jumps clean its sort of outrageous she's getting 3's from anyone. Anna, Sasha, and Daria all consistently jump better than Kamila, Aliona, and Maia but I don't think scoring reflects that properly. Aliona jumps better than Kamila, Aliona especially has better combos, while I think Maia and Kamila are very close and I also don't think that's reflected.
--Aliona and Anna would win Interpretation of music-- though not Vivaldi. Sasha, Liza, Kamila, tied slightly behind, Anna slightly ahead of Aliona. However, Maia's SP for me beats Aliona and Anna as is, it's just her weakness in the FS still that puts the total impression behind Anna and Aliona. Same with Liza, where she would win FS interpretation for me, but really loses a lot of that in the SP.
--Sasha would win composition, Anna just behind. I'd take marks from Kamila's Bolero because the choreography has nothing to do with the music and as soon as she's off beat from a fall or something, it just looks (and sounds) worse than it already does. Sasha used to get marked down on composition because "the program was empty" until she completed the quads. Exact same qualm here. Nothing going on until the quads are done. Maia's SP would again get great marks from me for composition.

I would also like to personally fire Judge 3 at Skate Canada who gave negative GOE to non-disruptive URs in Liza's and Aliona's performances, gave Mai a ZERO for her CLEAN 3Lz-2T-2Lo combo and then gave Kamila a +1 for the 3A step out-- while giving Aliona a -3 for a near identical step out, and a 0 in the short for a LANDED 3A. AND they gave Bolero a 10.0 for composition? Unforgivably biased judging. Other judges were horrible, too. You would think Aliona splatted on the 3A and 3Lz but the 3Lz was landed and the judges still marked it worse than Kamila's 3A step-out. Unweighted to the element value, Kamila's GOE on the step-out was -1.66. Aliona's UR Lutz was -1.89. HOW.
Depends on who you talk to. My answer on who has the best 2A and triples isn't the same. Next person will probably give a completely different answer. And Sasha got 35.48 SP PCS. What more does she deserve? It's even higher than her RusNats. Maybe highest ever she's received, and at her first GP this year. Sasha is dancing in the clouds.
 
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