2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[florin]

It sounds like he's genuinely sad that she's wasting her potential by not giving her best in training.

This is a pattern of behavior that is often found among gifted people. Remember studying in college - in the first year there were "stars of department" (gold medalists of schools, winners of contests, etc.). And often they "rested on their laurels" and the guys who were not so brilliant in the freshmen, but worked hard, came forward in a couple of years. And notice - we were ordinary people. And what would happen if the state media were talking about us and we had tens of thousands of fans?

 

[Scott512]

Since we are mincing words - he said she "Liza gives hope to all the skaters of the planet. She must be on the Olympic team in Beijing-2022", must be on the team is a lot stronger verbiage than saying I would like or love to see her on the team. It was very strange verbiage for him to use.

But I don't think Brian Orser is exactly the person the coaches council is looking to for advice on who is going to be on the Russian Olympic team. So fans of skaters they are concerned might be unfairly replaced on the team with Tuktamysheva due to political influence can probably relax on this one.

Well said and didn't Brian also make comments about aliona and why her scores are lower? SMH. Wow is not out of control he needs to stop this now. If Brian really said Liza must be on the Russian Olympic team that would the unprofessional. What is his angle Amei? And isn't he coaching ladies that will be competitors to the Russian ladies in the Olympics?

I am glad Eteri never talks about other countries skaters and scores.

 

[Scott512]

Don't be absurd.

The Russian ladies are a huge talking point around figure skating as a whole. He was merely asked to comment about the various ladies. That's it. And Russian coaches have talked plenty when asked about non Russian skaters.

He was NOT asked to chose the team nor DID he. He merely said that he found Liza inspiring and would like to see her on the team. That's not exactly a revolutionary opinion.

Don't be angry. I hope you don't find this post absurd.

I think it was a little unprofessional of Brian. He needs to do like EG does and focus on his own skaters. He's not an analyst he's a coach who coaches skaters he wants to beat TT skaters.
I will bet every penny you have Brian would rather have his top lady compete against Liza rather than Sasha in the Olympics for a medal or in the team event.

Isn't BO affiliated with Rika an Olympic contender?

And if Brian really did say Liza must be on the Russian Olympic team that is a mistake and not something I would expect from someone who's been around the sport for 30 years as a high-level skater and a high-level coach.

I like Brian but I don't have to like his comments.

I don't want to see Liza on the Olympic team ahead of Sasha or Aliona. but if it happens I will congratulate her and root for her. Let it happen by her earning that spot and not by figure skating professionals cheerleading her from around the world influencing the corruptible rusfed.

 

[Fluture]

Well said and didn't Brian also make comments about aliona and why her scores are lower? SMH. Wow is not out of control he needs to stop this now.

LOL. Maybe you should read a bit more closely because Daniil was the one talking about Aliona‘s scores and lacking motivation and whatnot, not Orser.

 

[Jontor]

This is a pattern of behavior that is often found among gifted people. Remember studying in college - in the first year there were "stars of department" (gold medalists of schools, winners of contests, etc.). And often they "rested on their laurels" and the guys who were not so brilliant in the freshmen, but worked hard, came forward in a couple of years. And notice - we were ordinary people. And what would happen if the state media were talking about us and we had tens of thousands of fans?

Yes, this "success" syndrome is very common. I was discussing it with a psychologist the other day. It means that when you first are successful and get praised for talents, you get scared. You are starting to doubt yourself if you can do it again. And instead of hard work, you "sabotage" yourself by not doing it. Because, then when you fail you can always say that you didn't do the work, but the talent is still there. It's easier to accept that instead of the scary scenario of working hard and maybe fail anyway.
That's why gifted people are often labelled as "lazy". But it has nothing to do with laziness. It's all about self confidence.

 

[el henry]

Since we are mincing words - he said she "Liza gives hope to all the skaters of the planet. She must be on the Olympic team in Beijing-2022", must be on the team is a lot stronger verbiage than saying I would like or love to see her on the team. It was very strange verbiage for him to use.

Does anyone know what Brian said *in English*?

Although I admire the Russian interviewers' ability to conduct interviews in English and translate into Russian, the translations are not always exact. There was one with Jason (I'm sorry, that's my point of reference) where the Russian wording (per Google translate) was completely different connotation than what Jason actually said.

(Jumping off and not directed at anything you may have posted) In any event, having now read Daniil G's interview, I don't see how anyone can complain about Brian. Dani sounds like a stereotypical "mean girl" in the cafeteria when he talks about one of his own skaters. I don't even know what the details are, and it doesn't matter, he sounds whiny and pouty.

And before someone starts regaling me with the results of any of these skaters, results don't make someone sound less whiny. I hope this too is a translations issue.

 

[florin]

Yes, this "success" syndrome is very common. I was discussing it with a psychologist the other day. It means that when you first are successful and get praised for talents, you get scared. You are starting to doubt yourself if you can do it again. And instead of hard work, you "sabotage" yourself by not doing it. Because, then when you fail you can always say that you didn't do the work, but the talent is still there. It's easier to accept that instead of the scary scenario of working hard and maybe fail anyway.
That's why gifted people are often labelled as "lazy". But it has nothing to do with laziness.

Well... I wouldn't want to question the words of a professional... (But on the other hand, psychology is still not such a reliable science as chemistry or mechanics )

I still always thought that everything is very simple - when you see that

a) you can do in 1 hour what others need 3-4 hours,
b) right now there will be a really awesome beer party

you say to yourself "Hey! everyone is looking at point a), and I ran for my favorite beer mug"

I guess the girls have something different instead of a beer party, but I think you get my point

 

[Fried]

Why all the fuss? Gleichengauz said Kostornaya did not have to say thank you publicly. So she erases the thanks. Well done! I've never really liked Kostornaya, but here I applaud her for once. What shoud all the nonsense about "She doesn't do as much as others." Typical conveyor belt thinking. Of course, at 18 you have to perform as well as at 15. Logical. This is exactly why Tutberidze has so many successful adult skaters. Apart from that, this laundry washing in public is absolutely level and above all unprecedented, or ALMOST unprecedented. The public penance ordered in the First Chanal was, of course, even bolder. All in all, it became clear again, WHO wears a crown here.

 

[florin]

The public penance ordered in the First Chanal

"I recognize, I recognize brother Kolya!" All these toxic phrases from the comments on sportsru.... I thought I would at least take a break from them here.

 

[Fluture]

Yes, this "success" syndrome is very common. I was discussing it with a psychologist the other day. […] But it has nothing to do with laziness. It's all about self confidence.

So, did that psychologist also tell you that the appropriate response when dealing with a teenager suffering from these type of confidence problems is to call them out publicly in the media for not working hard? Just being curious.

 

[Jontor]

So, did that psychologist also tell you that the appropriate response when dealing with a teenager suffering from these type of confidence problems is to call them out publicly in the media for not working hard? Just being curious.

No, we were not talking about teenagers at all. It was just a general conversation. She did say though that the only way to reach these people is to try to make them believe in themselves.

 

[Fried]

"I recognize, I recognize brother Kolya!" All these toxic phrases from the comments on sportsru.... I thought I would at least take a break from them here.

Oh dear, you obviously have a lot going haywire in your head. Brother Kolya? I only know Uncle Vanya. Perhaps you should read less on sites like sports.ru. That would be good for her nerves. Believe me, I speak from experience.

 

[florin]

So, did that psychologist also tell you that the appropriate response when dealing with a teenager suffering from these type of confidence problems is to call them out publicly in the media for not working hard? Just being curious.

With ordinary teenagers in ordinary life situations, probably not. But Alyona is not an ordinary teenager and she has absolutely no time - OG, one of the key turning points in her life. Full mobilization. Her situation, as far as can be judged by Daniil's words, is already receiving a lot of attention (taking into account the fact that there are 6 active athletes in the group who have a chance to get to the Olympics).

I wrote in her fanfest that only coaches are her only friends in this situation. Not emotional fans, not all these "experts". But only people who are as close as possible (in sports life) to her and interested in her fate - coaches.

I so sincerely wish that she would be able to mobilize at the internal level. Then everything will work out for her.

 

[Amei]

Regarding the Daniil comments about Kostornaia, not sure why anyone seems shocked, this team of coaches have never been bashful about airing the issues of skaters especially when its a mental issue or an issue of putting forth effort - both Eteri and Averbukh publicly criticized Lipnitskaia when she struggled and their perception was that it was an attitude problem on her part.

 

[Thrashergurl]

This is very disheartening. Let’s be honest here- had there been a Worlds 2 years ago Alena would be a World Champion. Instead Covid moved in and the whole world changed. We don’t know the circumstances of the coaching change. We know it happened, and that she also got Covid. Covid can have long lasting effects physically, but what about her MENTAL HEALTH. This girl has been through a lot. Is she depressed? That would be my first concern. She had been passed by younger girls, hasn’t been able to keep up with Anna ans Sasha, has been passed by Liza. I think people need to look at all the circumstances and keep in mind she’s a kid. Heck, I know grown adults that wouldn’t cope well with this stuff.

I also coach young kids and saw their motivation and mental health decline during Covid. I hope she has some support system in place vs some grown man publicly humiliating her at a time she probably needs guidance and some acceptance.

I wish there was a coach she could go to that will believe in her— even if she doesn’t believe in herself. Mr. Orser??

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

He said Kostornaia doesn't skate the same amount as others do. Is that offensive ? Or the part where he explained why her PCS went down ?
Why would you be outraged over that.

Alena might be my favorite Eteri skater, but I don't find it hard to believe that she's not as focused as her teammates. She's forgetting her choreography, constantly changing her programs, and having issues with jumps other than the 3A. From any other country this would be fine, but most of the Russian Olympic team contenders are posting scores in the 220s and 230s so Alena has to figure out some way to get up in that range.

 

[Tokyo Drift]

This was clearly a baity journalist who is trying to stir up drama but Daniil is not good at avoiding it. All he had to say was "We are working hard together to find the best approach to training" or something like that.

Dani sounds like a stereotypical "mean girl" in the cafeteria when he talks about one of his own skaters. I don't even know what the details are, and it doesn't matter, he sounds whiny and pouty.

Should say, sounds like... nope thanks

 

[florin]

How do you manage to insert pictures?

 

[flanker]

How do you manage to insert pictures?

 

[sclloyd]

To the insulted ego of Daniil, not even a girl who has returned to him in good faith, who gave up the entirety of her dignity to the media to return to TT, to return to his choreography, can do any right by him. Disappointing behavior from a grown man.