Ladies Short Program

[fsf9012]

Why insist on Yu-na's SP score not being inflated, when she herself said it was her worst SP this season?

A fan of Yuna who went to CoR and met her mom on the day of free skating was told by her mom that Yuna's condition was very bad that day. That was the night she set a world record, and she also said in an interview she felt some of her jumps were not best. She felt like that, but the decision up to the judges.

I agree with you that her SP 'score' was a bit inflated, but I also agree with the 'placement'. Zhang's second triple was wonky but wan't it ratified? ( If it hadn't been, she may not have gotten over 60) Yuna was not the only one.

 

[cassieandcheetah]

I think Yuna is a great skater but I am getting sick of all these Yuna fans that popped up recently that can't admit Yuna's score was inflated. They feel the need to respond to every post that didn't agree with them. I am getting really really annoyed by her fans.

Mao made hunge mistake and so did Yuna. Yuna's spins are no where near Caroline's quality whatsoever. The only things that Yuna does better than Caroline are the jumps and footworks(maybe) as far as TES goes. If Yuna fell on a jump and single a required double jump, I don't know how Yuna gets her TES that high is a mistery.
I am glad that at least Mao is in last place but I think her TES is WAY too high and Mao should have gotten lower PCS as well for falling and not doing a mandetory jump.

Please do not respond to my post if you are only going to say the same thing over and over on Yuna regardless of how Yuna skated. I already heard you enough about "how perfect Yuna is" and "How she is deserving 1st place because of her beautiful artisty"! Her artistry isn't anywhere near what Sasha and Michelle had to offer. Of course when Yuna skated beautifully, you have every right to praise her! I have no problem with that.

Like I said, I don't follow Ladies but I'm so sick and tired of this hype for Caroline. She still skates like a junior, so slow is her flow on the ice, and so tiny are her jumps, and so sloppy her landings. I mean, IMO, Kimmie still remains a better skater than her. Shouln'd we be just happy that she's even placed that high at such an age? There's no injustice here whatsover.

 

[Bennett]

^
Mao really has made tremendous improvements,but unfortunately, something's got to give. Her spins, spirals, and footwork are so wonderful this year, but the jumps are escaping her, at least in the short programs. Last year, she was skating consistent sps, but this year, her sps have been disasterous, and this really makes me sad because they could score so well if she skated them cleanly. As a fan, though, I have faith in Mao, and from the looks of the practice reports, she is quite capable of landing that 3A and 3F-3L. I really want Caroline to steal the show though!!

To high hopes!

Yeah, it would be gorgeous when Mao skates her SP clean. I have faith that she is totally capable of it. She has done so many times last season and her practices seem to be going well.

Yes, yes, to high hopes to everyone who skates tomorrow! Tomorrow is another day:agree:

 

[feraina]

I don't know if it's Yu-na's ueber-fans or what. I just know that she was my favorite skater (up through WC '07) before I found this forum, and now I'm not even quite sure she's third on my list. I never understood myself before how ueber-fans could piss off other people, particularly in regard to Michelle and Caroline, both of whom I love. But I went through my fandom of Michelle entirely on my own, and so was saved from both her ueber-fans and her haterz. And Caroline although I love I can also clearly see all her short-comings (lack of speed/power, flutz, high leg-kick on the flip and lutz), and I never hesitate to admit them.

It's not that YNK's ueber-fans are changing my perception of her skating, at least not in a direct way. It's just their insistence on her "perfection" or her absolute-best-ness in everything that comes across as baseless at times (though she is a marvelous and talented skater), and I can't help wanting to point out their mistakes, and all this back and forth is only helping to magnify the imperfections in Yu-na's skating in my mind. Maybe that's it. I have no other explanation for why I'm not nearly as excited about her as I was before, because she's clearly improving rather than regressing. *shrug*

 

[Wrlmy]

I'm more puzzled with Mao's TES.
At Skate Canada, she got 30.8 with 3-3 mistake.
At TEB, she got 27.5 with 3-1.
And now she got 31 with 3-3 mistake and without 3Lz??
Well. Wow. Hmm. What a score.
I'm pretty much sure that affected Yuna's TES too.

At SC, her 3-3 was downgraded. I'm guessing her 3-3 was ratified here, so that gives her base value of 10.5 and mandatory -2 deduction. Her lutz is actually worth less than five points because of the wrong edge penalty. So, if her 3-3 was ratified, her tes is understandable considering positive GOEs on her spins, spiral and footwork.

 

[slutskayafan21]

Like I said, I don't follow Ladies but I'm so sick and tired of this hype for Caroline. She still skates like a junior, so slow is her flow on the ice, and so tiny are her jumps, and so sloppy her landings. I mean, IMO, Kimmie still remains a better skater than her. Shouln'd we be just happy that she's even placed that high at such an age?

I agree.

 

[bekalc]

Your constant hype of Y N K is really really annoying. It's finally getting on my nerves especially after seeing her horrible mistake but still scoring a SB...

I'm getting more and more annoyed with Yu Na Kim thanks to fans like you...

Uh, I think it's kind of awful, that you would blame Yu-na because of me... But whatever.

I'm not saying that Yu-na's spins are perfect.... I do like gumby spins myself, and of course she could work on her toe point, and work on her flexibiltiy. But I was merely pointing out that if it's a choice between a really flexible spin but slow spin, or a less flexible but faster spin, why not go with the faster one. I like the spins in Yu-na's long program because she doesn't go for a gumby spin, and instead focuses on what she's good at.

I don't think I ever said on this board that Yu-na's perfect. I guess I was pointing out that I don't think flexibily =good skating.

I'm just wonder where I ever said that Yu-na was perfect? I'd really love a quote.

 

[slutskayafan21]

I don't think I ever said on this board that Yu-na's perfect. I guess I was pointing out that I don't think flexibily =good skating.

Call it the Sasha syndrome. Edges, speed, basics, jump technique, mean nothing. Flexability, flexability, flexability, is all where its at. :chorus:

 

[*Sniper*]

I think Yuna is a great skater but I am getting sick of all these Yuna fans that popped up recently that can't admit Yuna's score was inflated. They feel the need to respond to every post that didn't agree with them. I am getting really really annoyed by her fans.

Mao made hunge mistake and so did Yuna. Yuna's spins are no where near Caroline's quality whatsoever. The only things that Yuna does better than Caroline are the jumps and footworks(maybe) as far as TES goes. If Yuna fell on a jump and single a required double jump, I don't know how Yuna gets her TES that high is a mistery.
I am glad that at least Mao is in last place but I think her TES is WAY too high and Mao should have gotten lower PCS as well for falling and not doing a mandetory jump.

Please do not respond to my post if you are only going to say the same thing over and over on Yuna regardless of how Yuna skated. I already heard you enough about "how perfect Yuna is" and "How she is deserving 1st place because of her beautiful artisty"! Her artistry isn't anywhere near what Sasha and Michelle had to offer. Of course when Yuna skated beautifully, you have every right to praise her! I have no problem with that.

Maybe you don't realize it, but as far as I can see, you do the same for Mao.
YES, I see that you are puzzled at her high score this time.

 

[feraina]

Her lutz is actually worth less than five points because of the wrong edge penalty.

Actually, Mao got exactly 5.0 for her 3Lz at TEB (6.0 base value, -1 GOE).

 

[ANW]

Between Mao and YuNa, I like Mao's SP better, It's so ethereal and she sakted beautifully.

I think Yuna is a great skater but I am getting sick of all these Yuna fans that popped up recently that can't admit Yuna's score was inflated. They feel the need to respond to every post that didn't agree with them. I am getting really really annoyed by her fans.

Mao made hunge mistake and so did Yuna. Yuna's spins are no where near Caroline's quality whatsoever. The only things that Yuna does better than Caroline are the jumps and footworks(maybe) as far as TES goes. If Yuna fell on a jump and single a required double jump, I don't know how Yuna gets her TES that high is a mistery.
I am glad that at least Mao is in last place but I think her TES is WAY too high and Mao should have gotten lower PCS as well for falling and not doing a mandetory jump.

Please do not respond to my post if you are only going to say the same thing over and over on Yuna regardless of how Yuna skated. I already heard you enough about "how perfect Yuna is" and "How she is deserving 1st place because of her beautiful artisty"! Her artistry isn't anywhere near what Sasha and Michelle had to offer. Of course when Yuna skated beautifully, you have every right to praise her! I have no problem with that.

 

[ks777]

I don't know if it's Yu-na's ueber-fans or what. I just know that she was my favorite skater (up through WC '07) before I found this forum, and now I'm not even quite sure she's third on my list. I never understood myself before how ueber-fans could piss off other people, particularly in regard to Michelle and Caroline, both of whom I love. But I went through my fandom of Michelle entirely on my own, and so was saved from both her ueber-fans and her haterz. And Caroline although I love I can also clearly see all her short-comings (lack of speed/power, flutz, high leg-kick on the flip and lutz), and I never hesitate to admit them.

It's not that YNK's ueber-fans are changing my perception of her skating, at least not in a direct way. It's just their insistence on her "perfection" or her absolute-best-ness in everything that comes across as baseless at times (though she is a marvelous and talented skater), and I can't help wanting to point out their mistakes, and all this back and forth is only helping to magnify the imperfections in Yu-na's skating in my mind. Maybe that's it. I have no other explanation for why I'm not nearly as excited about her as I was before, because she's clearly improving rather than regressing. *shrug*

I totally agree with you!!

 

[Wrlmy]

Actually, Mao got exactly 5.0 for her 3Lz at TEB (6.0 base value, -1 GOE).

Oops, I should've said it's worth somewhere between 4.4-5.0 then.

 

[*Sniper*]

Uh, I think it's kind of awful, that you would blame Yu-na because of me... But whatever.

I'm not saying that Yu-na's spins are perfect.... I do like gumby spins myself, and of course she could work on her toe point, and work on her flexibiltiy. But I was merely pointing out that if it's a choice between a really flexible spin but slow spin, or a less flexible but faster spin, why not go with the faster one. I like the spins in Yu-na's long program because she doesn't go for a gumby spin, and instead focuses on what she's good at.

I don't think I ever said on this board that Yu-na's perfect. I guess I was pointing out that I don't think flexibily =good skating.

I'm just wonder where I ever said that Yu-na was perfect? I'd really love a quote.

It's probably not when you said it, but more like how often and how much you put Yuna on a pedestal.

 

[Bennett]

I wonder what Tatiana Tarasova thought of Mao's sp...???surely she looked pass the jumps, and saw some of Mao's beautiful flow, spins, etc, but I heard somewhere that she was quite upset with Mao...man I wish I could speak Russia!!.

They seem to have had a very good relationship. Tarasova seems to have been very nice to her. Although I have no idea what Tarasova is actually thinking, I can imagine any coach could be upset not necessarily with Mao but about what happened. So as Mao, I suppose. I myself feel very shaken, too...

 

[fsf9012]

It's not that YNK's ueber-fans are changing my perception of her skating, at least not in a direct way. and I can't help wanting to point out their mistakes, and all this back and forth is only helping to magnify the imperfections in Yu-na's skating in my mind.

Just pointing out mistakes or imperfections doesn't make you a anti-fan of a skater. To some degree if you have valid and rational point, it's okay. I like Mao, Yuna, Carolina but I don't like Mao's flutz, Yuna's spiral, Carolina's spins. The problem is that if you get valid points, some hard-core fans attack you in defense of their favorite skaters. Some people think there are fans or haters. I think it's a wrong way to like a skater. The more they do it, the more some people hate a skater. But with the fans like that, hating skaters is harsh to them, I think. They have no control over the whole things.

 

[feraina]

I think today Yuna's spins are perfect,more better than COC and COR, fast, centralled and clear position.

Bekalc, someone did call Yu-na's spins perfect, a pity you missed that post (#232), as you jumped to say "whoever mentioned her spins are perfect" in the very next post (#233).

No need to take everything so personally, even if it is your favorite skater...

 

[carolinefan177]

Like I said, I don't follow Ladies but I'm so sick and tired of this hype for Caroline. She still skates like a junior, so slow is her flow on the ice, and so tiny are her jumps, and so sloppy her landings. I mean, IMO, Kimmie still remains a better skater than her. Shouln'd we be just happy that she's even placed that high at such an age? There's no injustice here whatsover.

Her landings are NOT sloppy...Her entrances yes, but her landings...no. If they were sloppy, she wouldn't have been able to pull off a triple-triple. Besides, she's got really nice rotations in the air, at least in my opinion, and come on, she's fourteen. She's bound to be slower than a snail at this age, especially with her tiny stature. Gliding the ice at top speed when you are 4 feet 11 inches is not an easy task. Plus, people hype for a reason, and it doesn't help when other people bash on the hypers. There's nothing wrong with being a fan (although there are some exceptions).

 

[bekalc]

Call it the Sasha syndrome. Edges, speed, basics, jump technique, mean nothing. Flexability, flexability, flexability, is all where its at. :chorus:

And it's not that I didn't like Sasha's gumbiness. I mean quite honestly, I love the fact that Mao has nice flexibility and good basic skating. I'm honestly starting to really appreciate these things about Mao. (She has really the most amazing spiral. And I'm okay wtih Mao getting huge PCS for this, maybe even more PCS than Yu-na. I'm not going to say that great positions aren't important.


But I think it's silly to make great positions into something more, and especially angers me the idea that if your not a gumby flexible than your not necessarily a good artist. Michelle was never super flexible either.To suggest that people able to hit a pretty position, should somehow make up for the fact that your edges are supbar, or your very slow. It's figure skating, and what goes on ankle down should be the most important thing. Some people just aren't that flexible. Besides, quite frankly, my favorite thing about Yu-na's long, is that she doesn't go for the gumby spins. Quite honestly, I miss spins fast, well centered spins, and if that's what Yu-na's going to go for good for her. For example, Lambiel is a great spinner, and he's not able to deal a Bielman...

I will admit that of course Caroline Zhang is an incredible spinner, and of course I like Caroline's spins better than Yu-na's. I don't think I ever said that Yu-na is best at everything she does. I don't think most of Yu-na's fans have said that.

Bekalc, someone did call Yu-na's spins perfect, a pity you missed that post (#232), as you jumped to say "whoever mentioned her spins are perfect" in the very next post (#233).

No need to take everything so personally, even if it is your favorite skater...]

I realize that other Yu-na fans have, but well the one poster specifically attacked me. When in all honesty, I may praise Yu-na a lot, but I've never called her perfect. I've admited that Yu-na has had faults.

 

[ks777]

Maybe you don't realize it, but as far as I can see, you do the same for Mao.
YES, I see that you are puzzled at her high score this time.

hmm I am really puzzuled by your comment because Mao never been my favorite skater. Miki Ando was my favorite until she went to Morozov. I was a big fan of Miki but I don't remember ever saying how perfect Miki was. Of course I was happy when someone liked Miki but I was also happy to know what other people thought of Miki good or bad.

I am a big Mirai Nagasu fan and I know she is not perfect.