Ladies SP scores question

[Ptichka]

I was looking at the Ladies SP scores, and something struck me - with the exception of of Kim, placements are almost in the exact reverse order of the Components score. It is especially interesting to note "Skating Skills" - a component most linked to the elements mark in the past. Yet this time, Zhang got a measly 6.45 - more than half a point behind next closest competitor. Fair or judging by reputation only?

 

[dlarry1]

I was thinking the same.

When CoP first started, a lot of us got excited when there was a shake-up in the dance standings. It seemed that the new system would do away with reputation-based scoring.

But (and I admit I have not seen the protocols or the performances), results like the GPF Ladies SP suggest that you still have to "pay your dues" in order to get the best scores...

 

[temperboy28]

The judging was horrible in every event so far, except the dance were the judging was fair yet the dancing was mediocre. No wonder figure skating is dieing a slow death. It is either bad judging or bad skating all the time, never the two good anymore.

 

[athlet]

I was looking at the It is especially interesting to note "Skating Skills" - a component most linked to the elements mark in the past. Yet this time, Zhang got a measly 6.45 - more than half a point behind next closest competitor. Fair or judging by reputation only?

Caroline was clearly the slowest skater among finalists. I don't like PCS scores, but for Caroline's skating skill it wasn't judging by reputation only. She needs to grow more and needs more power to skate.

 

[ChrisH]

Caroline's 36.50 in the TES here and 36.40 at the CoC short program are still the two highest of the Grand Prix season. They are/were also new personal bests for Caroline. Kim has the next highest short program TES at 34.90 (both here and at CoR).

Caroline got her highest short program PCS score, 26.28, at Skate America.

Her total short program score here is still a new personal best for her, though.

I thought that her 4 other PC scores were too low in the other events, but given her highest TES scores, I have to say that her skating skills score is also probably too low. (Hopefully I'll see her performance on ESPN360.com in a couple of hours ...)

In any case, if Caroline skates well in the free skate, her high position (and later start position) will help her PCS, right?

 

[Wrlmy]

Caroline's 36.50 in the TES here and 36.40 at the CoC short program are still the two highest of the Grand Prix season. They are/were also new personal bests for Caroline. Kim has the next highest short program TES at 34.90 (both here and at CoR).

Caroline got her highest short program PCS score, 26.28, at Skate America.

Her total short program score here is still a new personal best for her, though.

I thought that her 4 other PC scores were too low in the other events, but given her highest TES scores, I have to say that her skating skills score is also probably too low. (Hopefully I'll see her performance on ESPN360.com in a couple of hours ...)

In any case, if Caroline skates well in the free skate, her high position (and later start position) will help her PCS, right?

Hoply. I don't have problem with her ss or tr mark. But her choreography and interpretation marks are too much held down. Yu-na's pcs at her first senior outhing was 24 something, so, oh well. I'm really thinking growing couple of inches will help Caroline immensely.

 

[feraina]

In terms of presentation, Caroline's biggest weakness is lack of speed/power. But she's very artistic/musical, very meticulous and careful in all her positions and hitting all the highlights in the music. She never rushes through anything, and she clearly listens to the music very carefully the whole time she skates. It's remarkable how consistent and collected she always skates, given her young age and the big stage (not to mention the formidable competition). I can't believe that there's no room in the current PCS system to reward her for all those positive qualities.

 

[carolinefan177]

In terms of presentation, Caroline's biggest weakness is lack of speed/power. But she's very artistic/musical, very meticulous and careful in all her positions and hitting all the highlights in the music. She never rushes through anything, and she clearly listens to the music very carefully the whole time she skates. It's remarkable how consistent and collected she always skates, given her young age and the big stage (not to mention the formidable competition). I can't believe that there's no room in the current PCS system to reward her for all those positive qualities.

 

[Wrlmy]

In terms of presentation, Caroline's biggest weakness is lack of speed/power. But she's very artistic/musical, very meticulous and careful in all her positions and hitting all the highlights in the music. She never rushes through anything, and she clearly listens to the music very carefully the whole time she skates. It's remarkable how consistent and collected she always skates, given her young age and the big stage (not to mention the formidable competition). I can't believe that there's no room in the current PCS system to reward her for all those positive qualities.

It's very similar to Rachael Flatt getting low pcs compared to her tes mark. Rachael, just like Caroline, is a wonderfully musical skater, but she is slow. Perhaps she is even more problematic than Caroline because she slows down even more later in the program. I think Caroline's pcs is only going to rise (by the Olympics at least).

 

[feraina]

with the exception of of Kim, placements are almost in the exact reverse order of the Components score.

Well, Yu-na ought to have placed second to last, and Mao much farther behind than she is.

However, the very fact that we have these curious, almost reverse-ordering of the technical and "presentation" marks, and that the actual placements went more with the TES, I think we can say that CoP is not entirely hopeless. The athletic component of the sport after all counts for something in the outcomes of this sport!

I do think, though, that Yu-na's TES was way inflated, considering she lost 9 points in TES (compared to her typical 3/3) due to the botched combo. Both she and her coach, and Mao and Mao's coach, were all surprised by their stunningly high scores (considering their performances).

 

[waxel]

Since the protocols aren't up yet, were all of Kimmie's elements downgraded? How can Mao's TES be higher when she missed an entire element??

Caroline's component score is ludicrous. Even though she was noticeably slower than the other skaters, she was certainly held back. Guess she has to pay her dues.

 

[kikakiks]

Caroline and Carolina's pcs scores are both ridiculously low, or at least too distant from the other competitors.
I am completely sure the judges were trying to hold them down, trying to leave more pace to Kim, Asada and Meissner to get away with errors. however the result is very weird....I hate this judging.

BTW Can someone explain me why Meissner's pcs are the second highest???? I AM SHOCKED!!!!! i understand skating skills, but the rest?? She was not really into the program artistically....Oh, boy....

let's see if tonight in the long the ones receiving the highest pcs will be for the to three

 

[mskater93]

Since the protocols aren't up yet, were all of Kimmie's elements downgraded? How can Mao's TES be higher when she missed an entire element??.

From watching the SP and understanding what constitutes features, Kimmie didn't get higher than a L2 on her layback, maybe a L4 on combo spin (if she held the COE long enough on the back sit, it was really close to being SR to count as a feature), and at best a L3 on her flying spin. She also probably got either L2 or L3 on her footwork.

 

[netnuts]

From watching the SP and understanding what constitutes features, Kimmie didn't get higher than a L2 on her layback, maybe a L4 on combo spin (if she held the COE long enough on the back sit, it was really close to being SR to count as a feature), and at best a L3 on her flying spin. She also probably got either L2 or L3 on her footwork.

Kimmie was grossly undermarked. All those counting rotations, counting turns, counting holding time, counting changing edges are really putting this sport on death bed. CoP is a joke!
It is apparent Kimmie had a very very good skate...


It's a scandal that they gave Mao and Yu-Na so many credits for such lousy performances.

 

[mskater93]

Kimmie was grossly undermarked. All those counting rotations, counting turns, counting holding time, counting changing edges are really putting this sport on death bed.

Unfortunately, this is what Speedy wanted - speed skating with jumps...

 

[bekalc]

Unfortunately, this is what Speedy wanted - speed skating with jumps...

Personally, I think faster skating is a good thing... Don't get me wrong, I don't want someone to be like Kostner who as Tarasova says just races through her program with no real attention to the elements. But I like Yu-na's speed. She does get faster when the music is faster, and slower when the music is slower, and it's well controlled.

No offense but speed and ice coverage is part of skating skills. I also enjoy fast, centered spins. I'd rather see a nice fast/centered spins...

 

[netnuts]

Unfortunately, this is what Speedy wanted - speed skating with jumps...

I think speed and ice coverage are important, that's why I was impressed with Kimmied SP. She was sharp and in attack mode, it's exciting.

Those level calls and giving credits to messy jumps are truly hurting FS badly. When even semi-knowledge fans frequently scratch their heads over the results, you know FS is soon becoming a youtube sport.

 

[Phobiamaster856]

Mao was definently inflated in my opinion tats close to her trophee eric bompard score and she missed an element. Only .04 behind kimmie idk and kimmie landed everything cept for one downgrade i looked at the protocal and i still couldn't figure it out someone plz explain y kimmie got such low scores she was the only who did a clean program.

 

[gold12345]

The scoring of this short program was disturbing. Mao's score of 59+ just shows how seriously bad this scoring system and/or the judging is. Mao really couldn't have skated much worse than that and she scored higher than almost everyone does when they skate clean. That's just not right. It really discourages me from caring much anymore. It's just frustrating. I wonder what Mao would have scored if she hadn't jumped at all in that program. Probably a 50. sigh.


And I'm really tired of all of the different levels in the spins and spirals and whatnot. It's really taking the artistry out of these programs and I don't like the fact that these things can sometimes make up for poor jumping.

 

[netnuts]

The scoring of this short program was disturbing. Mao's score of 59+ just shows how seriously bad this scoring system and/or the judging is. Mao really couldn't have skated much worse than that and she scored higher than almost everyone does when they skate clean. That's just not right. It really discourages me from caring much anymore. It's just frustrating. I wonder what Mao would have scored if she hadn't jumped at all in that program. Probably a 50. sigh.

It's a joke. Both Mao and Yu-Na's SP scores were inflated, especially Mao. In the long, Yu-Na's score was overmarked, while Mao was undermarked.