2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[sclloyd]

Who is better than KV right now or even nearly as good?

This program is absolutely not 10 points better than either of Anna's SPs this season. I'd say it's on par with Perfume because they're both equally somber and don't really make me feel anything but there are good elements. It's definitely not better than Aliona's WR program in 2019. Nor is it better than AZ's 82 point SPs even despite the technical content difference.

 

[bubblecherry]

i thought kamila’s step sequence was delightful today. the judges are still really trying to gaslight us with tukt’s scores

 

[Scott512]

This program is absolutely not 10 points better than either of Anna's SPs this season. I'd say it's on par with Perfume because they're both equally somber and don't really make me feel anything but there are good elements. It's definitely not better than Aliona's WR program in 2019. Nor is it better than AZ's 82 point SPs even despite the technical content difference.

We will see KV and Anna square off at GPF Nats Euros and Olympics. Anna is the best competitor out there and she may be the only one with a real chance at upsetting KV is letting KV at some point. She handles pressure great and we don't know that about KV yet.

You have to forget about 1 or 2 years ago or when aliona was so brilliant in 2019. Her SP that season was amazing.

 

[Scott512]

We talk about the scoring , not who is better. Kamila may be "the best"(funny), but it is not an excuse for giving her 38 in PC.

It's not funny. It's real. Kamila could actually push 300 points in her career! She is just getting started.

We don't care about her naysayers but I wish her coaches were more emotive and supportive of KV.

 

[Scott512]

exactly. her scores are so ridiculously unjustified it makes me not even care to watch competitions or care about titles, just clips online of the good performances from the season.

What do you think of Valieva doing multiple quads with hands way over her head? Its unreal.

Unjustifief scores? Just curious but what would you have scored her today and her total score at Skate Canada?

 

[Azikin]

Who is better than KV right now or even nearly as good?

As a skating goddess? No one. Only skating god Yuzu..

 

[Thrashergurl]

What i find sad is that both eteri and daniil didn't even look happy at kamilas score , like she got world record and not even a real smile from any of the two? I know that no one can come close to what eteri had with zhenya in term of closeness but comparing even daniils reaction , ?? And no its not meant to be something against the two its just that it becomes glaring , and even with alina when she had great skates or with anna,aliona and sasha over the past few years they looked happier in many competitions? And i am not saying it meant something like that they like other skaters more its just something that i saw today and compared to other kiss and crys from these two.

Or was that just my impression? In gerneral that sometimes you as a spectator think well that was really great and the scores show it and you look at their faces and think why are they not looking happier?

I haven’t seen the actual footage of them yet, but at this point they’re coaching basically the top 5 skaters in the world. Nobody can touch these girls. They’re well aware that every face that make and comment they say is being scrutinized by the viewers.
If they are really excited they will be accused to not supporting their other skaters enough.
Who knows….maybe they’re realizing that she’s going to beat Anna and are shocked by her scores, but I’m guessing they knew that before the season even began.

There’s no doubt this is your Olympic champion if she skated clean.

 

[Scott512]

As a skating goddess? No one. Only skating god Yuzu..

I only mean girls and women.

I heard all 3 Russian men flopped in the SP today. Man the Russian men could kill the Olympic team gold medal again.

 

[LiamV426]

Have to say, going back and rewatching Kamila's SP (twice)... I really love it. I especially enjoyed the step sequence, there's a poignancy and a sense of nostalgia to her performance, as if she's dancing with someone we can't see. This is the most I've ever enjoyed her.

I will say I wouldn't have given her a WR here (the GOE on the combo is too much) but tbf I wouldn't have given Aliona a WR at the 2019 GPF either (she was behind the music, NHK was better and should be the WR IMO). It's definitely sad as an Aliona fan seeing her lose the record but WRs are always broken during the Olympic season, we saw it last time with Alina in 2018 and we're seeing it now with Kamila, just a little earlier lol.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

I got the impression that this season will be the same as in the past: the best performances will take place long before the biggest international competitions. Most likely this will happen at the RusNat

 

[sclloyd]

What do you think of Valieva doing multiple quads with hands way over her head? Its unreal.

Unjustifief scores? Just curious but what would you have scored her today and her total score at Skate Canada?

81 or 82 today, maybe 80-81 in Skate Canada. Liza was also overscored there so adjust accordingly. The total score in Skate Canada is so outrageous she did near exactly the same skate in Finlandia and scored more than 20 points lower. She received positive GOE for falls whereas her competitors were given negative GOE for landed elements. I thought her Finlandia score overall was a bit high for the day, but I’d total her roughly at 250 depending on how terrible her combos look. She has a high tech cap, so maybe the FS deserves a WR for the quads, but their GOE is way too high. For example, you mention her arms over her head but her technique is so bad that without her arms straightening her rotational axis she cannot land them. The performance categories should never be getting tens especially when we compare her to Maia’s SP performance (on a good day) or Anna for which there is no better skater in terms of embodying a character and audience. It would take too long for me to do a full rescore the way a judge might, at least today since I’m traveling.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

We will see KV and Anna square off at GPF Nats Euros and Olympics. Anna is the best competitor out there and she may be the only one with a real chance at upsetting KV is letting KV at some point. She handles pressure great and we don't know that about KV yet.

You have to forget about 1 or 2 years ago or when aliona was so brilliant in 2019. Her SP that season was amazing.

I would really like Anna to win the Olympics. No one deserves it more than her. But I have to admit that at the moment Kamila looks stronger and better. I can only hope for the incredible dedication and will of Anna.

 

[patee]

Kamila’s SP has much more meaning than what we perhaps previously thought. She says it’s about her grandfather who died in 2019. sports.ru

Actually, it was her grandmother, who died in 2019 and to whom she dedicated her skating...

 

[lurkerghost1]

81 or 82 today, maybe 80-81 in Skate Canada. Liza was also overscored there so adjust accordingly. The total score in Skate Canada is so outrageous she did near exactly the same skate in Finlandia and scored more than 20 points lower. She received positive GOE for falls whereas her competitors were given negative GOE for landed elements. I thought her Finlandia score overall was a bit high for the day, but I’d total her roughly at 250 depending on how terrible her combos look. She has a high tech cap, so maybe the FS deserves a WR for the quads, but their GOE is way too high. For example, you mention her arms over her head but her technique is so bad that without her arms straightening her rotational axis she cannot land them. The performance categories should never be getting tens especially when we compare her to Maia’s SP performance (on a good day) or Anna for which there is no better skater in terms of embodying a character and audience. It would take too long for me to do a full rescore the way a judge might, at least today since I’m traveling.

That’s not true, Kamila at Finlandia had falls on 3A in both programs whereas she landed both of them at Skate Canada. That alone accounts for 12 points difference. And by the way 249 vs. 265 is 16 points difference not more than 20

 

[Scott512]

I would really like Anna to win the Olympics. No one deserves it more than her. But I have to admit that at the moment Kamila looks stronger and better. I can only hope for the incredible dedication and will of Anna.

I must say I feel the same way. We have to see how things play out.

 

[Scott512]

81 or 82 today, maybe 80-81 in Skate Canada. Liza was also overscored there so adjust accordingly. The total score in Skate Canada is so outrageous she did near exactly the same skate in Finlandia and scored more than 20 points lower. She received positive GOE for falls whereas her competitors were given negative GOE for landed elements. I thought her Finlandia score overall was a bit high for the day, but I’d total her roughly at 250 depending on how terrible her combos look. She has a high tech cap, so maybe the FS deserves a WR for the quads, but their GOE is way too high. For example, you mention her arms over her head but her technique is so bad that without her arms straightening her rotational axis she cannot land them. The performance categories should never be getting tens especially when we compare her to Maia’s SP performance (on a good day) or Anna for which there is no better skater in terms of embodying a character and audience. It would take too long for me to do a full rescore the way a judge might, at least today since I’m traveling.

Interesting takes even though you lower her scores there' still great scores.

Anna will have her chances. But she will probably have to be able to score close to 250 points to topple KV.

 

[brigit66]

What do you think of Valieva doing multiple quads with hands way over her head? Its unreal.

Unjustifief scores? Just curious but what would you have scored her today and her total score at Skate Canada?

They are not quads, dear. Compare her quads to hanyus.
And you claiming that "We will see KV and Anna square off at GPF Nats Euros and Olympics" is the proof of what I am saying, everything is set up.
And people like you defending peculiar skater is common on forum. Every skater have such die hard fans like you, saying that X skater deserve everything she receives.IT was the same with Med, Zag, Anna etc etcAll those skaters were overscored

 

[Vemvane]

Actually, it was her grandmother, who died in 2019 and to whom she dedicated her skating...

Wait, so this programme, about chasing a butterfly, is dedicated to her deceased grandparent? If so, that adds another layer of brilliance to the programme, as the butterfly is associated with the soul/spirit, at least as far back as Aristotle, who uses the term psyche (literally "breath [of life]", hence "spirit", "ghost") to refer to butterflies.

Edit: Wow, it is!




So it's a programme about loss, about grief, about death, and about letting go?

 

[Draculus]

IT was the same with Med, Zag, Anna etc etcAll those skaters were overscored

well, score is relative so if all are overscored - sounds ok for me.

 

[sclloyd]

That’s not true, Kamila at Finlandia had falls on 3A in both programs whereas she landed both of them at Skate Canada. That alone accounts for 12 points difference. And by the way 249 vs. 265 is 16 points difference not more than 20

Kamila didn’t perform the 3A clean at Skate Canada. I did bad math— was thinking of the 181 FS score and got 81 in my mind somehow. And then idk how I ended up with 20 not 30. But still, to say because the 3A is not clean… it’s a bit disingenuous looking at how the other girls were scored. For example, Kamila’s stepped out 3A at skate Canada received some +1 marks from judges who also gave landed but UR’ed elements -1 to -3 marks and step outs of fully rotated elements lower than that. It’s simply not good nor fair judging. That score was WAY too high, as was this one here. For example, she often has beautifully centered spins but she travelled a lot today. I haven’t looked at the protocols but given the score I KNOW she wasn’t docked for her spins being worse than usual.