Original Dance

[MissIzzy]

Standings after first group:

1 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG
CHN
62.01 24 2
2 Oksana KLIMOVA / Sasha PALOMAKI
FIN
61.62 21 3
3 Ekaterina ZABOLOTNAYA / Julian WAGNER
GER
61.29 29 1
4 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST
SUI
59.15 25 4
5 Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER
AUT
54.59 26 5

Finally a Chinese team that skated to their own music! House of Flying Daggers score, oddly enough. And lol at the Finnish team skating to Monty Python's "Finland!"

 

[MissIzzy]

Ice being resurfaced at the moment, currently:

1 Nikola VISNOVA / Lukas CSOLLEY
SVK
62.98 22 3
2 Barbora HEROLDOVA / Nikolaj SORENSEN
DEN
62.75 23 2
3 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG
CHN
62.01 24 4
4 Oksana KLIMOVA / Sasha PALOMAKI
FIN
61.62 21 5
5 Ekaterina ZABOLOTNAYA / Julian WAGNER
GER
61.29 29 1
6 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST
SUI
59.15 25 6
7 Ina DEMIREVA / Juri KURAKIN
BUL
57.76 27 7
8 Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER
AUT
54.59 26 9


Result Details

Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ SS MO PF CH IT Deduction
- StN.
1 Ekaterina ZABOLOTNAYA / Julian WAGNER GER 40.83 25.73 15.10 4.04 3.82 4.11 3.96 3.96 0.00 #4
2 Barbora HEROLDOVA / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 40.19 25.05 15.14 4.04 3.89 4.00 4.07 3.96 0.00 #10
3 Nikola VISNOVA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK 40.17 24.60 15.57 4.14 3.96 4.18 4.07 4.14 0.00 #9
4 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG CHN 39.89 25.20 14.69 3.96 3.79 3.82 3.96 3.82 0.00 #5
5 Oksana KLIMOVA / Sasha PALOMAKI FIN 38.48 24.52 13.96 3.71 3.57 3.79 3.86 3.54 0.00 #3
6 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 37.24 23.47 13.77 3.71 3.46 3.68 3.75 3.57 0.00 #1
7 Ina DEMIREVA / Juri KURAKIN BUL 37.00 23.09 13.91 3.71 3.61 3.64 3.71 3.64 0.00 #8
8 Hanna ASADCHAYA / Dmitri LAMTYUGIN BLR 33.82 22.58 12.24 3.25 3.00 3.36 3.46 3.14 1.00 #6
9 Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER AUT 32.70 20.36 12.34 3.25 3.00 3.43 3.39 3.25 0.00 #2
10 Kristina KIUDMAA / Aleksei TROHLEV EST 31.75 20.25 12.50 3.46 3.14 3.36 3.32 3.21 1.00 #7

Poor German team. Though they've posted the highest OD mark so far, due to the fall they suffered in the CD they are currently right behind the projected cut-off mark for the top 24, and would probably need one of the next six teams to make a major mistake in order to qualify for the free.

 

[luckyguy]

MissIzzy, where did you find the results?

 

[MissIzzy]

http://www.isufs.org/results/wjc2008/SEG008.HTM

 

[luckyguy]

Hmmm, I can see only the starting order.

 

[bellafurr]

Hi. I was wondering on the icenet if it takes a long time to buffer. I can get the sound and picture of ice but no skating. Any help would be appreciated

 

[MissIzzy]

After four groups:

1 Isabella PAJARDI / Stefano CARUSO
ITA
72.55 14 1
2 Maureen IBANEZ / Neil BROWN
FRA
72.45 11 2
3 Ashley FOY / Benjamin BLUM
GER
70.25 12 3
4 Isabella TOBIAS / Otar JAPARIDZE
GEO
69.15 15 4
5 Natalia MITIUSHINA / Matteo ZANNI
ITA
66.11 13 6
6 Anastasia GAVRYLOVYCH / Maciej BERNADOWSKI
POL
65.85 18 5
7 Charlene GUIGNARD / Guillaume PAULMIER
FRA
65.73 16 7
8 Emese LASZLO / Mate FEJES
HUN
63.75 20 9


Result Details

Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ SS MO PF CH IT Deduction
- StN.
1 Isabella PAJARDI / Stefano CARUSO ITA 47.59 27.01 20.58 5.39 5.29 5.46 5.43 5.50 0.00 #18
2 Maureen IBANEZ / Neil BROWN FRA 46.05 26.72 19.33 5.11 4.93 5.07 5.14 5.18 0.00 #11
3 Ashley FOY / Benjamin BLUM GER 44.34 26.70 17.64 4.61 4.54 4.75 4.71 4.64 0.00 #20
4 Isabella TOBIAS / Otar JAPARIDZE GEO 44.23 26.55 17.68 4.64 4.54 4.64 4.68 4.75 0.00 #15
5 Anastasia GAVRYLOVYCH / Maciej BERNADOWSKI POL 41.54 24.90 16.64 4.36 4.25 4.43 4.43 4.43 0.00 #19
6 Natalia MITIUSHINA / Matteo ZANNI ITA 41.05 24.14 16.91 4.50 4.21 4.54 4.46 4.54 0.00 #14
7 Charlene GUIGNARD / Guillaume PAULMIER FRA 40.90 25.06 15.84 4.32 4.04 4.14 4.21 4.14 0.00 #12
8 Ekaterina ZABOLOTNAYA / Julian WAGNER GER 40.83 25.73 15.10 4.04 3.82 4.11 3.96 3.96 0.00 #4
9 Emese LASZLO / Mate FEJES HUN 40.44 24.84 15.60 4.18 3.93 4.21 4.14 4.11 0.00 #16
10 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 40.40 25.08 15.32 4.21 4.00 4.04 4.07 3.89 0.00 #13
11 Barbora HEROLDOVA / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 40.19 25.05 15.14 4.04 3.89 4.00 4.07 3.96 0.00 #10
12 Nikola VISNOVA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK 40.17 24.60 15.57 4.14 3.96 4.18 4.07 4.14 0.00 #9
13 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG CHN 39.89 25.20 14.69 3.96 3.79 3.82 3.96 3.82 0.00 #5
14 Oksana KLIMOVA / Sasha PALOMAKI FIN 38.48 24.52 13.96 3.71 3.57 3.79 3.86 3.54 0.00 #3
15 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 37.24 23.47 13.77 3.71 3.46 3.68 3.75 3.57 0.00 #1
16 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 37.22 22.77 16.45 4.46 4.21 4.39 4.39 4.25 2.00 #17
17 Ina DEMIREVA / Juri KURAKIN BUL 37.00 23.09 13.91 3.71 3.61 3.64 3.71 3.64 0.00 #8
18 Hanna ASADCHAYA / Dmitri LAMTYUGIN BLR 33.82 22.58 12.24 3.25 3.00 3.36 3.46 3.14 1.00 #6
19 Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER AUT 32.70 20.36 12.34 3.25 3.00 3.43 3.39 3.25 0.00 #2
20 Kristina KIUDMAA / Aleksei TROHLEV EST 31.75 20.25 12.50 3.46 3.14 3.36 3.32 3.21 1.00 #7

 

[MissIzzy]

One more group to go:

1 Emily SAMUELSON / Evan BATES
USA
92.95 1 1
2 Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER
CAN
91.23 3 2
3 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Jonathan GUERREIRO
RUS
79.65 7 3
4 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Dmitri DUN
UKR
77.80 8 4
5 Karen ROUTHIER / Eric SAUCKE-LACELLE
CAN
73.47 9 7
6 Isabella PAJARDI / Stefano CARUSO
ITA
72.55 14 5
7 Maureen IBANEZ / Neil BROWN
FRA
72.45 11 6
8 Ashley FOY / Benjamin BLUM
GER
70.25 12 8


Result Details

Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ SS MO PF CH IT Deduction
- StN.
1 Emily SAMUELSON / Evan BATES USA 57.84 31.74 26.10 6.86 6.75 6.82 6.93 6.96 0.00 #21
2 Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER CAN 57.52 32.45 25.07 6.54 6.46 6.68 6.64 6.68 0.00 #22
3 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS 50.96 29.72 21.24 5.54 5.43 5.68 5.64 5.68 0.00 #25
4 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Dmitri DUN UKR 49.52 28.65 20.87 5.46 5.39 5.50 5.54 5.57 0.00 #24
5 Isabella PAJARDI / Stefano CARUSO ITA 47.59 27.01 20.58 5.39 5.29 5.46 5.43 5.50 0.00 #18
6 Maureen IBANEZ / Neil BROWN FRA 46.05 26.72 19.33 5.11 4.93 5.07 5.14 5.18 0.00 #11
7 Karen ROUTHIER / Eric SAUCKE-LACELLE CAN 46.01 26.51 19.50 5.21 4.96 5.18 5.18 5.14 0.00 #23
8 Ashley FOY / Benjamin BLUM GER 44.34 26.70 17.64 4.61 4.54 4.75 4.71 4.64 0.00 #20
9 Isabella TOBIAS / Otar JAPARIDZE GEO 44.23 26.55 17.68 4.64 4.54 4.64 4.68 4.75 0.00 #15
10 Anastasia GAVRYLOVYCH / Maciej BERNADOWSKI POL 41.54 24.90 16.64 4.36 4.25 4.43 4.43 4.43 0.00 #19
11 Natalia MITIUSHINA / Matteo ZANNI ITA 41.05 24.14 16.91 4.50 4.21 4.54 4.46 4.54 0.00 #14
12 Charlene GUIGNARD / Guillaume PAULMIER FRA 40.90 25.06 15.84 4.32 4.04 4.14 4.21 4.14 0.00 #12
13 Ekaterina ZABOLOTNAYA / Julian WAGNER GER 40.83 25.73 15.10 4.04 3.82 4.11 3.96 3.96 0.00 #4
14 Emese LASZLO / Mate FEJES HUN 40.44 24.84 15.60 4.18 3.93 4.21 4.14 4.11 0.00 #16
15 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 40.40 25.08 15.32 4.21 4.00 4.04 4.07 3.89 0.00 #13
16 Barbora HEROLDOVA / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 40.19 25.05 15.14 4.04 3.89 4.00 4.07 3.96 0.00 #10
17 Nikola VISNOVA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK 40.17 24.60 15.57 4.14 3.96 4.18 4.07 4.14 0.00 #9
18 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG CHN 39.89 25.20 14.69 3.96 3.79 3.82 3.96 3.82 0.00 #5
19 Oksana KLIMOVA / Sasha PALOMAKI FIN 38.48 24.52 13.96 3.71 3.57 3.79 3.86 3.54 0.00 #3
20 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 37.24 23.47 13.77 3.71 3.46 3.68 3.75 3.57 0.00 #1
21 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 37.22 22.77 16.45 4.46 4.21 4.39 4.39 4.25 2.00 #17
22 Ina DEMIREVA / Juri KURAKIN BUL 37.00 23.09 13.91 3.71 3.61 3.64 3.71 3.64 0.00 #8
23 Hanna ASADCHAYA / Dmitri LAMTYUGIN BLR 33.82 22.58 12.24 3.25 3.00 3.36 3.46 3.14 1.00 #6
24 Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER AUT 32.70 20.36 12.34 3.25 3.00 3.43 3.39 3.25 0.00 #2
25 Kristina KIUDMAA / Aleksei TROHLEV EST 31.75 20.25 12.50 3.46 3.14 3.36 3.32 3.21 1.00 #7

Evan Bates suffered a stumble and was tense and off the entire time, and I've got the feeling they're not going to be leading in about ten minutes time. Samuelson and Bates could very well be the next American team, but they need to work on their nerves. Also, I think something might be wrong with Eric Saucke-Lacelle's leg; he was favoring one of them over the other when he and Routhier left the ice.

 

[MissIzzy]

Final results after this segment:

1 Emily SAMUELSON / Evan BATES
USA
92.95 1 1
2 Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER
CAN
91.23 3 2
3 Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV
RUS
88.98 4 3
4 Maria MONKO / Ilia TKACHENKO
RUS
88.69 2 4
5 Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL
USA
81.82 5 5
6 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Jonathan GUERREIRO
RUS
79.65 7 6
7 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Dmitri DUN
UKR
77.80 8 7
8 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL
CAN
74.86 10 9


Result Details

Pl. Name Nation TSS
= TES
+ PCS
+ SS MO PF CH IT Deduction
- StN.
1 Emily SAMUELSON / Evan BATES USA 57.84 31.74 26.10 6.86 6.75 6.82 6.93 6.96 0.00 #21
2 Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER CAN 57.52 32.45 25.07 6.54 6.46 6.68 6.64 6.68 0.00 #22
3 Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV RUS 55.46 30.53 24.93 6.57 6.39 6.61 6.64 6.61 0.00 #28
4 Maria MONKO / Ilia TKACHENKO RUS 53.70 28.01 25.69 6.71 6.64 6.79 6.86 6.82 0.00 #26
5 Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL USA 51.30 30.31 21.99 5.71 5.71 5.79 5.75 5.93 1.00 #30
6 Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Jonathan GUERREIRO RUS 50.96 29.72 21.24 5.54 5.43 5.68 5.64 5.68 0.00 #25
7 Alisa AGAFONOVA / Dmitri DUN UKR 49.52 28.65 20.87 5.46 5.39 5.50 5.54 5.57 0.00 #24
8 Isabella PAJARDI / Stefano CARUSO ITA 47.59 27.01 20.58 5.39 5.29 5.46 5.43 5.50 0.00 #18
9 Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL CAN 47.50 27.85 19.65 5.11 4.96 5.21 5.29 5.29 0.00 #29
10 Maureen IBANEZ / Neil BROWN FRA 46.05 26.72 19.33 5.11 4.93 5.07 5.14 5.18 0.00 #11
11 Karen ROUTHIER / Eric SAUCKE-LACELLE CAN 46.01 26.51 19.50 5.21 4.96 5.18 5.18 5.14 0.00 #23
12 Ashley FOY / Benjamin BLUM GER 44.34 26.70 17.64 4.61 4.54 4.75 4.71 4.64 0.00 #20
13 Isabella TOBIAS / Otar JAPARIDZE GEO 44.23 26.55 17.68 4.64 4.54 4.64 4.68 4.75 0.00 #15
14 Lucie MYSLIVECKOVA / Matej NOVAK CZE 43.86 25.70 21.16 5.64 5.54 5.50 5.64 5.54 3.00 #27
15 Anastasia GAVRYLOVYCH / Maciej BERNADOWSKI POL 41.54 24.90 16.64 4.36 4.25 4.43 4.43 4.43 0.00 #19
16 Natalia MITIUSHINA / Matteo ZANNI ITA 41.05 24.14 16.91 4.50 4.21 4.54 4.46 4.54 0.00 #14
17 Charlene GUIGNARD / Guillaume PAULMIER FRA 40.90 25.06 15.84 4.32 4.04 4.14 4.21 4.14 0.00 #12
18 Ekaterina ZABOLOTNAYA / Julian WAGNER GER 40.83 25.73 15.10 4.04 3.82 4.11 3.96 3.96 0.00 #4
19 Emese LASZLO / Mate FEJES HUN 40.44 24.84 15.60 4.18 3.93 4.21 4.14 4.11 0.00 #16
20 Irina SHTORK / Taavi RAND EST 40.40 25.08 15.32 4.21 4.00 4.04 4.07 3.89 0.00 #13
21 Barbora HEROLDOVA / Nikolaj SORENSEN DEN 40.19 25.05 15.14 4.04 3.89 4.00 4.07 3.96 0.00 #10
22 Nikola VISNOVA / Lukas CSOLLEY SVK 40.17 24.60 15.57 4.14 3.96 4.18 4.07 4.14 0.00 #9
23 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG CHN 39.89 25.20 14.69 3.96 3.79 3.82 3.96 3.82 0.00 #5
24 Oksana KLIMOVA / Sasha PALOMAKI FIN 38.48 24.52 13.96 3.71 3.57 3.79 3.86 3.54 0.00 #3
25 Ramona ELSENER / Florian ROOST SUI 37.24 23.47 13.77 3.71 3.46 3.68 3.75 3.57 0.00 #1
26 Penny COOMES / Nicholas BUCKLAND GBR 37.22 22.77 16.45 4.46 4.21 4.39 4.39 4.25 2.00 #17
27 Ina DEMIREVA / Juri KURAKIN BUL 37.00 23.09 13.91 3.71 3.61 3.64 3.71 3.64 0.00 #8
28 Hanna ASADCHAYA / Dmitri LAMTYUGIN BLR 33.82 22.58 12.24 3.25 3.00 3.36 3.46 3.14 1.00 #6
29 Sonja PAULI / Tobias EISENBAUER AUT 32.70 20.36 12.34 3.25 3.00 3.43 3.39 3.25 0.00 #2
30 Kristina KIUDMAA / Aleksei TROHLEV EST 31.75 20.25 12.50 3.46 3.14 3.36 3.32 3.21 1.00 #7

A less than spectacular final group, I fear; M&T blew things big time on the twizzles, the Czech crashed on the lift, which I think might have then gotten counted as extended when it took them a few too many seconds to get her off of him, and to top the event off, Madison Hubbell slipped in the last part of her and Keiffer's OD(thankfully it wasn't on an element, but they were lucky the Czech crash left them with noone to drop behind). Now to win M&T would have to beat S&B by over four points, and the judges seem more charmed by the Americans even when Evan stumbles!(They do have charisma, certainly)

 

[tonywalter]

Judges

Anybody who believes you can have 'fair judging' needs to look at these numbers I just compiled... Looks like pro-Russia panels at JGP circuit is now being replaced by a pro-NA panel at Jr. Worlds. Maybe the complicit charge at JGPF is not just a rumor?

Russia
Jr. Worlds Prior SB Difference
Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV 55.46 54.98 +0.48
Maria MONKO / Ilia TKACHENKO 53.70 56.62 -2.92
Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Jonathan GUERREIRO 50.96 52.11 -1.15
Avg: -1.20

U.S & CANADA
Emily SAMUELSON / Evan BATES 57.84 55.66 +2.18
Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL 51.30 50.61 +0.69
Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER 57.52 52.83 +4.69
Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL 47.50 45.00 +2.50
Karen ROUTHIER / Eric SAUCKE-LACELLE 46.01 44.13 +1.88
Avg: +2.40


Total difference: +3.6

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

When I turned it (late) on there was a Russian team skating very well but carrying on like the Capelletti's uber schmaltzy love duet. How did they turn out? and what are their names?

Joe

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Well..... despite his season off broken ankle and despite her hitting a rut and falling, the Hubbells yodelled their way into 5th place and hanging in there. They didn't go under.

Joe

 

[bekalc]

Anybody who believes you can have 'fair judging' needs to look at these numbers I just compiled... Looks like pro-Russia panels at JGP circuit is now being replaced by a pro-NA panel at Jr. Worlds. Maybe the complicit charge at JGPF is not just a rumor?

The top Russian team made a BIG mistake in the original dance though. The judges had the top Americans/Russians close together before that mistake.

 

[kittyjake5]

Loved Samuelson/Bates and Crone/Poirer's performance. They deserve to be in 1st and 2nd. JMO

 

[lmarie086]

I would have put Crone/Poirier first over Samuelson/Bates in the OD. But both teams are great, and I'm glad to see them 1 and 2.

 

[chuckm]

Anybody who believes you can have 'fair judging' needs to look at these numbers I just compiled... Looks like pro-Russia panels at JGP circuit is now being replaced by a pro-NA panel at Jr. Worlds. Maybe the complicit charge at JGPF is not just a rumor?

Russia
Jr. Worlds Prior SB Difference
Kristina GORSHKOVA / Vitali BUTIKOV 55.46 54.98 +0.48
Maria MONKO / Ilia TKACHENKO 53.70 56.62 -2.92
Ekaterina RIAZANOVA / Jonathan GUERREIRO 50.96 52.11 -1.15
Avg: -1.20

U.S & CANADA
Emily SAMUELSON / Evan BATES 57.84 55.66 +2.18
Madison HUBBELL / Keiffer HUBBELL 51.30 50.61 +0.69
Vanessa CRONE / Paul POIRIER 57.52 52.83 +4.69
Kharis RALPH / Asher HILL 47.50 45.00 +2.50
Karen ROUTHIER / Eric SAUCKE-LACELLE 46.01 44.13 +1.88
Avg: +2.40


Total difference: +3.6

JGPF judging panel: POL, CZE, CAN, RUS, UKR, GEO, USA, JPN, ITA



Half of the JGPF panel (5 of 10 judges) was from former SSRs and Eastern Europe, and those 5 judges all gave blanket support to the two top Russian teams, and lowballed all the others. Of course the top Russian teams had much higher scores there! Meanwhile, the US teams, the Canadian team and the third Russian team were severely undermarked; their scores dropped precipitously from what they'd scored in their JGP events.

Riazanova/Guerreiro got an OD score of 46.18 at the JGPF from the Russia-friendly panel. Why? Some think Russia #3 had to be sacrificed to get the ITA and UKR judges to back the top two Russian teams, and RUS, UKR and GEO kept the ITA and UKR teams out of last place.

JW judging panel: GER POL FRA AUS SUI USA ITA CZE RUS CAN UKR BUL

At JW, again 5 judges are from former SSRs and Eastern Europe, but 7 judges are from other areas, so the panel is more diverse and less stacked in favor of Russian teams. However, I don't see that GER, AUS, FRA, SUI and ITA are necessarily friendlier to US and CAN teams than they are to Russian teams. They just don't work in lockstep the way the EE and SSR judges tend. They tend to give higher marks to the teams who perform better.

If Maria Monko hadn't had such a severe balance break (she almost toppled over during the twizzle section), Monko/Tkachenko probably would have had a slightly higher score than what they received at the JGPF. But as it happened, they had a mistake, and it was a big one (they had a similar mistake at Russian Jr Nationals and lost to Gorshkova/Butikov).

 

[skatingfan04]

Yay for Crone & Poirier! This has been a real breakout season for them, especially with their performance at nationals, and a medal here would just be the icing on the cake. I havn't seen this performance of their OD yet, but I loved it at nationals. Of all the teams, theirs felt the most like a folk dance. Good for Samuelson & Bates as well. After their accident last year, It's great to see them doing so well here. Good luck to everyone in the FD, and may the best team win!