2023-24 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Mathematician]

The series is now so starved of talent

Would you care to elaborate

 

[AlexBreeze]

Has it been officially announced?

No

It was the rumour

But journalists who posted it now deleted it

 

[Mariiiiskate]

No

It was the rumour

But journalists who posted it now deleted it

Interesting. If they deleted it, I wonder if someone refuted that she went to TT.

I saw some people earlier saying that according to insiders she went to CSKA but I dont think they were very credible. I guess we have to wait until she or someone else announces it or her next competition to find out for sure.

 

[Mariiiiskate]

No

It was the rumour

But journalists who posted it now deleted it

Looking at Rsport girls short program articles last comments seems like someone posted a link to a photo of Lera in Khrystany (?) I didnt click on the link cause I dont know the website but other commented that it was blurry so maybe that is where the journalist got the rumor from.

 

[Skating91]

Would you care to elaborate

They have Petrosian doing the first two weeks (she is not in good form by her standards but I expect to improve). Akatieva has already withdrawn from one GP event and I doubt she can be anywhere close to 100% by nationals, Kamila's was forced to skate the later rounds due to eye surgery and it's not clear if she will skate in Kazan, Liza has quit at the worst time when schedules have been arranged and tickets sold (or waiting to change citizenship), Shcherbakova and Trusova have mislead the federation of their real intentions this season (three of the 9 people on the national and reserve squads are taking a vacation), Samoldelkina has defected (I assume it is still on track), Gorbacheva seems to have not restored her quad and after her ordeal I don't hold high hopes for this season, Sinitsyna has a stress fracture and could only do double axels at test skates, Maia Kromykh withdrew from the first stage with an injury, I think I'm missing someone else who withdrew from the first stage.

Valieva and Zhilina both bring some excitement to the series, but it's really bereft of talent now. Looks like a Valieva, Zhilina, Petrosian podium at nationals in any order. If Akatieva can some how get to 100% then the top 4 most talented skaters will be still competing and that's all that matters really, but it kind of falls away after that.

 

[Mathematician]

They have Petrosian doing the first two weeks (she is not in good form by her standards but I expect to improve). Akatieva has already withdrawn from one GP event and I doubt she can be anywhere close to 100% by nationals, Kamila's was forced to skate the later rounds due to eye surgery and it's not clear if she will skate in Kazan, Liza has quit at the worst time when schedules have been arranged and tickets sold (or waiting to change citizenship), Shcherbakova and Trusova have mislead the federation of their real intentions this season (three of the 9 people on the national and reserve squads are taking a vacation), Samoldelkina has defected (I assume it is still on track), Gorbacheva seems to have not restored her quad and after her ordeal I don't hold high hopes for this season, Sinitsyna has a stress fracture and could only do double axels at test skates, Maia Kromykh withdrew from the first stage with an injury, I think I'm missing someone else who withdrew from the first stage.

Valieva and Zhilina both bring some excitement to the series, but it's really bereft of talent now. Looks like a Valieva, Zhilina, Petrosian podium at nationals in any order. If Akatieva can some how get to 100% then the top 4 most talented skaters will be still competing and that's all that matters really, but it kind of falls away after that.

Not even a mention of Muravieva. Lamentable - im offended.

We have Valieva, Muravieva, Petrosian, Zhilina, Frolova, Zinina, Gorbacheva (I find your critique of her basless; who has quads for test skates? And her "situation" was totally overblown). All stars.

From the injured stars: Akateva, Sinitsina, Gushchina, Sadkova. All 4 are likely to recover in due time, but if even just ONE of the 4 recover then we have 8 super stars. Factor in the next class of talent (Zakharova, Kulikova, Yametova, etc...) plus the breakout stars we dont know of, we will easily have a stacked finals.

By the way, Samodelkina got denied by Kazakhstan. They dont like Russians competing under their country. Im unsure if shes competing domestically now or what, but quite frankly I don't find it to make much of a difference.

Maiia and Liza arent big losses. I'm sorry but even their biggest fans were admitting that they looked uninspired on the ice.

Akateva and Sinitsina are catastrophic losses I admit, but I'm quite confident in at least one of them recovering. Neither of their injuries seem to be particularly grave.

Even if they dont, though, our scene is nowhere close to barren. Even with rampant injuries and an imperfect roster Russia is by far more competitive and interesting than the international scene.

 

[Jontor]

What we know is that Liza's utlimate motivation has always been to go to the Olympics. IF she plans to change country this is the right action to take. She needs to sit out domestic competitions for a year.
Maybe Liza is tempted, because she sees what Gubanova has achieved (European champion). And Liza knows she has much higher tech arsenal to throw in than Gubanova. Without Russian girls, the Olympics doesn't seem so hard.
I just hope if she changes country she choose wisely. Lots of girls have changed to Ukraine and Belarus. That didn't work out as Belarus is banned as well, and Ukraine has thrown out the Russian skaters. Talalaikina tried Italy, that didn't work either.

 

[katymay]

They have Petrosian doing the first two weeks (she is not in good form by her standards but I expect to improve). Akatieva has already withdrawn from one GP event and I doubt she can be anywhere close to 100% by nationals, Kamila's was forced to skate the later rounds due to eye surgery and it's not clear if she will skate in Kazan, Liza has quit at the worst time when schedules have been arranged and tickets sold (or waiting to change citizenship), Shcherbakova and Trusova have mislead the federation of their real intentions this season (three of the 9 people on the national and reserve squads are taking a vacation), Samoldelkina has defected (I assume it is still on track), Gorbacheva seems to have not restored her quad and after her ordeal I don't hold high hopes for this season, Sinitsyna has a stress fracture and could only do double axels at test skates, Maia Kromykh withdrew from the first stage with an injury, I think I'm missing someone else who withdrew from the first stage.

Valieva and Zhilina both bring some excitement to the series, but it's really bereft of talent now. Looks like a Valieva, Zhilina, Petrosian podium at nationals in any order. If Akatieva can some how get to 100% then the top 4 most talented skaters will be still competing and that's all that matters really, but it kind of falls away after that.

For every 'star' that drops back there are three more waiting in the wings. The Novice group last year was the strongest I've ever seen. It is Circle of Life and survival of the fittest. I believe this year will be weak, but next year we start gearing up for the Olympics and I expect Russian skating to come back full force. Yes, there will be new faces, but Kamila, Sasha, Ana, Liza and Aliona had their opportunities to shine, it's time for the new generation to move in and hopefully, God Willing, be able to compete in the Olympics, if not the next two years. There are always Maia's and Daria's-like Taraknakova-whose time is brief-it is just a sad part of the sport.

 

[Mathematician]

For every 'star' that drops back there are three more waiting in the wings. The Novice group last year was the strongest I've ever seen. It is Circle of Life and survival of the fittest. I believe this year will be weak, but next year we start gearing up for the Olympics and I expect Russian skating to come back full force. Yes, there will be new faces, but Kamila, Sasha, Ana, Liza and Aliona had their opportunities to shine, it's time for the new generation to move in and hopefully, God Willing, be able to compete in the Olympics, if not the next two years. There are always Maia's and Daria's-like Taraknakova-whose time is brief-it is just a sad part of the sport.

I still dont understand why people think this year is going to be weak. Please elaborate how the logic in my previous post does not constitute a great season.

Even in the last grand prix stage (supposedly the weakest) I was impressed by girls who are complete randoms. Nobody has disappointed. Frolova skated beautifully, Kulikova and Zakharova showed exceptional form. Petrosian had some drama but shes skating this weekend so how about we wait a couple days?

We are literally 1 step into grand prix, and because of 2 minor injuries (with time to spare) and despite countless of other stars we havent even seen everyones already throwing the season into the bin. I dont get why people are so pessimistic.

Its the first month guys, please...

And by the way, dont throw in Kamila with those other girls who arent even competing. What are you talking about? Shes arguably the favourite to win the whole championship!! Shes 17 - she IS the new generation.

 

[icewhite]

Yeah maybe it's wishful thinking from me as well, but it would make sense. It is strange she wouldn't do just one farewell show at the next GP. No-one would care if she just jumps double axels, every seat would be sold. The series is now so starved of talent that organisers wouldn't see it as disrespectful to not turn up in optimal shape taking a spot from someone else, they would welcome the publicity.

Once she switches countries she can't make money from the Russian shows while skating for another country, so make as much as she can over the next 6 months. I don't think it's her plan, but certainly something that's probably crossed her mind and she's leaving herself the option on the table by not resetting the 12 month timer back to zero by burning a competitive start.

It's 12 months if a fed is willing to release a skater, at least 24 if they don't want to, is that correct?

 

[AlexBreeze]

It's 12 months if a fed is willing to release a skater, at least 24 if they don't want to, is that correct?

Two years since the request from an another federation was considered by the executive committee for a Russian national team member.

If a federation is willing to release a skater, it's 12 months from the last international competition.

 

[brakes]

Juniors Dvoeglazova falling multiple times, Titova no ultra-c, Zhilina withdrawing, drought continues...

 

[Mathematician]

Juniors Dvoeglazova falling multiple times, Titova no ultra-c, Zhilina withdrawing, drought continues...

Man its the first month
Its a juniors stage, and we get upset when its not Olympic level. Are we just that good, that anything below perfect is a failure?

Russian fans have insane cognitive dissonance. Convinced were the best but cant say anything positive about our scene.

At least lets the finals finish before we dumpster the year. Still nobody could give a good response to my earlier points, but just keep spamming hard about anything thats negative.

 

[brakes]

Man its the first month
Its a juniors stage, and we get upset when its not Olympic level. Are we just that good, that anything below perfect is a failure?

Russian fans have insane cognitive dissonance. Convinced were the best but cant say anything positive about our scene.

At least lets the finals finish before we dumpster the year. Still nobody could give a good response to my earlier points, but just keep spamming hard about anything thats negative.

On 7-8th of September 2019 at test skates Trusova and Shcherbakova launched quad after quad even in the warmup.
Grass was greener, air cleaner and we witnessed peak of Russian ladies figure skating, let's face the truth.

 

[Azikin]

Juniors Dvoeglazova falling multiple times, Titova no ultra-c, Zhilina withdrawing, drought continues...

Dvoeglazova comes from an injury, she'll be fine. After all, she nearly won, it was incredibely close. Next time she'll be even stronger, I'm quite sure about that...

 

[Mathematician]

On 7-8th of September 2019 at test skates Trusova and Shcherbakova launched quad after quad even in the warmup.
Grass was greener, air cleaner and we witnessed peak of Russian ladies figure skating, let's face the truth.

Yea bro, if only we could have the undisputed strongest ever team in history every single year. Guess were in a drought since that isnt the case.

You can watch internationals while you wait for a once in a century Valieva-Shcherbakova-Trusova era in Russia again.

By the way, would Valieva alone not still terrorize the international ladies scene? Honest question. Is it not exciting to see her, after everything, continue her legacy? Everyone thought she was finished after the Olympics, boo-hoo ruined talent chapter closed - yet here beyond all the hate she just cant stop flourishing?

Listen, say what you want, I actually dont feel emotionally invested in this discussion whatsoever anymore. I demonstrated a clear blueprint of faith for our scene and nobody has made a single actual response against any one of my points. Nothing other than sarcastic and pessimistic red herrings. Its ok, that can be as it is, but when we get a bombshell final I'll be the only one who can say I actually believed in our skaters from the beginning.

 

[Skating91]

Two years since the request from an another federation was considered by the executive committee for a Russian national team member.

If a federation is willing to release a skater, it's 12 months from the last international competition.

There goes that theory of mine. She could switch countries now if she wanted to.

 

[Skating91]

Juniors Dvoeglazova falling multiple times, Titova no ultra-c, Zhilina withdrawing, drought continues...

Zhilina's withdrawal takes away much of the intrigue of this event now. I watched Petrosian and Zacharova a week ago, it's difficult to get excited seeing them again straight away, I would be shocked if Gorbacheva has restored her quad.

Valieva is the only skater with any drawing power at this point, if she does perform in Kazan it will require a hasty last minute flight to Kazan Friday evening if all goes well for her that afternoon.

I had high hopes for this season, but it's no longer live on Youtube so more difficult to watch, so many injuries and withdrawals which have diluted the quality, albeit still a long way ahead of international competitions (the winner of this weekend's international event will probably win with one 3-3 in the free). It's understandable athletes and coaches taking zero risk this season especially when there are shows to perform. The government hands out grants for these boring shows that wouldn't be economically viable otherwise, then skaters miss competition or performances degrade because of the time spent on the shows. Seems like the government is cannibalising their figure skating competition by offering these grants to the shows.

 

[Azikin]

Zhilina's withdrawal takes away much of the intrigue of this event now. I watched Petrosian and Zacharova a week ago, it's difficult to get excited seeing them again straight away, I would be shocked if Gorbacheva has restored her quad.

Valieva is the only skater with any drawing power at this point, if she does perform in Kazan it will require a hasty last minute flight to Kazan Friday evening if all goes well for her that afternoon.

I had high hopes for this season, but it's no longer live on Youtube so more difficult to watch, so many injuries and withdrawals which have diluted the quality, albeit still a long way ahead of international competitions (the winner of this weekend's international event will probably win with one 3-3 in the free). It's understandable athletes and coaches taking zero risk this season especially when there are shows to perform. The government hands out grants for these boring shows that wouldn't be economically viable otherwise, then skaters miss competition or performances degrade because of the time spent on the shows. Seems like the government is cannibalising their figure skating competition by offering these grants to the shows.

And if the ban is not lifted, it will only get worse. But at least watching RGP still beats watching Skate America.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Something beatuiful