Keegan will always win the backflip competition of my heart.Keegan Messing Backflips Into 2023 4CC Medal Ceremony
2023 Four Continents Figure Skating Championships Silver Medalist!Congrats Keegan!www.youtube.com
Keegan will always win the backflip competition of my heart.Keegan Messing Backflips Into 2023 4CC Medal Ceremony
2023 Four Continents Figure Skating Championships Silver Medalist!Congrats Keegan!www.youtube.com
Yeah, I mean, she was 1st in both skating parts, and finished...6th? good riddance to figures.damn those figure killed Midori... In some ways, I am glad they are gone though I do miss what they brought to the skaters' skills.
Lynn and Zayak had two good events... i believe at a certain points figures counted for so much right ? Thanks for this.
Both free skating parts. It's not as though the figures phase did not involve skating.Yeah, I mean, she was 1st in both skating parts, and finished...6th? good riddance to figures.
Not really skating as we know it now.Both free skating parts. It's not as though the figures phase did not involve skating.
Well, we can't fault skaters of the past for not skating the way we were destined to come to know it 50 years in the future.Not really skating as we know it now.
Did the ISU do anything about that?Well, we can't fault skaters of the past for not skating the way we were destined to come to know it 50 years in the future.
By the way, another skater who was done in by figuees was Brian Orser. At the 1984 Olympics he won the short program and the long, but was only 7th in figures, losing to Scott Hamilton (1st in figures, 2nd in short, 2nd in long).
There was a bit of "reputational PCS" going on when it came to Adam's short program.
Consider GPFRA, where Adam got a PB in a pristine clean SP, and 43.37 in PCS.
At Worlds, in a program with several major errors, he earned 42.29 in PCS.
From ISU PCS guidelines
https://www.isu.org/synchronized-sk...oks-faq/31479-program-components-chart-2/file
Serious Error(s)
Serious errors are falls and/or mistakes which result in a break in the delivery of the program. This break can be minimal or more pronounced and noticeable. These errors must be reflected in the mark awarded for each program component. The consequence depends on the severity and impact they have on the fluidity and continuity of the program. The following guideline should be used:
8.00 – 8.75** Very good 2 or more serious errors
7.00 – 7.75 Good
**When there are 2 or more errors and these errors only minimally impact the program, the maximum score of 8.75 is possible.
Nowhere did any judge give Adam higher than 8.75 in PCS because they followed the rules.
https://skatingscores.com/2324/wc/sr/men/i/short/fra/adam_siao_him_fa/element/6
I posted the above link to kill two birds with one stone - to show his SSQ scores from all judges as well as all of his PCS scores showing nothing higher than 8.75.
Adam got the highest step sequence score in the 2024 Worlds SP. (5.85) No shocker, really. Adam has a long history of having a high SSQ score. For some unknown reason, there are far too many people who refuse to learn there are guidelines in judging PCS and think if someone falls, or blows a jump, their PCS has to suffer greatly. That is incorrect. When they're an excellent skater and don't miss a beat in the program after falling, which is what occurred with Adam, you will not see a big hit in PCS. Nor should you.
I don't care what happened in France, I care what happened at Worlds. The fact that you didn't even reference the PCS guidelines tells me you have something subjective going on that appears to mean more to you than how to properly score a program.
This presumes that -- when skated cleanly -- Adam should be getting 9.50s & 10s. He never gets PCS that high because his basic skating skills, performance, etc are not on that level.From ISU PCS guidelines
https://www.isu.org/synchronized-sk...oks-faq/31479-program-components-chart-2/file
Serious Error(s)
Serious errors are falls and/or mistakes which result in a break in the delivery of the program. This break can be minimal or more pronounced and noticeable. These errors must be reflected in the mark awarded for each program component. The consequence depends on the severity and impact they have on the fluidity and continuity of the program. The following guideline should be used:
8.00 – 8.75** Very good 2 or more serious errors
7.00 – 7.75 Good
**When there are 2 or more errors and these errors only minimally impact the program, the maximum score of 8.75 is possible.
Nowhere did any judge give Adam higher than 8.75 in PCS because they followed the rules.
Nothing dramatic, though they continued on the crusade gradually to reduce the weight of figures and eventually to eliminate them altogether. At the 1988 Olympics Orser got 3rd in figures and Boitano 2nd (neither was outstanding in that regard), Orser won the SP with Boitano 2nd, and in the free, Boitano edged Orser 5 judges to 4, winning on tie breakers on several judges' cards. (Tech > artistic in those days and Boitano did two triple Axels to Orser's one. Later the ISU changed the tie breaker to the second mark).Did the ISU do anything about that?
This presumes that -- when skated cleanly -- Adam should be getting 9.50s & 10s. He never gets PCS that high because his basic skating skills, performance, etc are not on that level.
in other words, Orser could be two times Olympic Champion, under rules that came in later No wonder why it's hard to get into figure skating long term with all the rule changes both under 6.0 and IJS.Nothing dramatic, though they continued on the crusade gradually to reduce the weight of figures and eventually to eliminate them altogether. At the 1988 Olympics Orser got 3rd in figures and Boitano 2nd (neither was outstanding in that regard), Orser won the SP with Boitano 2nd, and in the free, Boitano edged Orser 5 judges to 4, winning on tie breakers on several judges' cards. (Tech > artistic in those days and Boitano did two triple Axels to Orser's one. Later the ISU changed the tie breaker to the second mark).
Despite the hype and publicity of the Battle of the Brians, figure skating was a ladies' sport in those days. The ISU was not so concerned with creating and promoting a male star as they had been for Janet Lynn. And in fact two years earlier (1986) Scott Hamilton got so disgusted with the socond-class treatment that male professional skaters faced with Ice Capades that he quit in disgust and started Stars on Ice. (Dorothy Hamill, in contrast, bought Ice capades.)
Agreed, and to this I would add that PCS scores cannot be reliably compared between events.
Adam’s SP PCS of 43.37 at GP France were the second highest in the event, just barely behind Yuma Kagiyama who scored 43.95.
At Worlds, his 42.29 tied with Kao Miura, who also had a fall in his program, for eighth.
I said it in the competition thread, and I will say it again. If a generational talent like Jason Brown is not winning world and Olympic medals, the scoring system is wrong.
I don't know, but Kurt Browning went from 12th to 5th at the 1988 Olympics. Tara Lipinski went from 22nd to 15th at 1996 Worlds. Both 7 places.It probably is... I recall some jumps like from 8 to 2nd etc... but 19 to 3rd ? nope... BUT it would be in history because this would have been impossible before IJS anyway. In 6.0 if you ranked even just 10th in the SP, pretty much forget about a medal. pretty much impossible. I'd be curious to know what was the biggest jump in 6.0 actually
Actually, over 200. I looked it up. The whole figures business is so 18th century....Well, we can't fault skaters of the past for not skating the way we were destined to come to know it 50 years in the future.
By the way, another skater who was done in by figuees was Brian Orser. At the 1984 Olympics he won the short program and the long, but was only 7th in figures, losing to Scott Hamilton (1st in figures, 2nd in short, 2nd in long).
One of my favorite centuries.Actually, over 200. I looked it up. The whole figures business is so 18th century....