I think it is the other way around. It is skaters who adjust the original tempo of the music to meet the requirements which must be punished according to German proposal.
ISU releases official agenda with proposals for 2024: age limits, jump limits and more
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I think it is the other way around. It is skaters who adjust the original tempo of the music to meet the requirements which must be punished according to German proposal.
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My second-grade teacher would be proud of the Canadians (on the other hand why are there grammatical errors in the first place, does no one proofread any mo... don't answer that)
AKA no matter what happens, everyone is going to be unhappy. Whiiiiiich, I guess, is some sort of equality at work...
Errrr.... what does this mean? Anyone?
I have been reading too many old schoolboy comics recently (studies, don't ask) and had an entirely wrong but totally amusing mental picture of what may (not) have prompted this one...
It would mean in the 2023-24 season if you had a group with Moldova and Luxembourg skaters in practice not based on start order, the music rotation would go Luxembourg then Moldova. In the 2024-25 season, it would go Moldova then Luxembourg.
So for a 3A<< with a fall, I guess it would be:
3.30 BV for the <<
Then 1.65 BV for the fall
Then with -5 GOE given by the judges, a final score of 0.83 for the jump
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I definitely think that there should be adequate penalties for falling on jumps, but IMO, this is a bit too much. I don't want programs where someone falls 17 times and has no choreography to be winning, but there needs to be some cushion for innovation/trying new things otherwise the sport won't progress.
Also, again, I don't like the jump reduction proposal, and I like it even less considering that it seems that if passed, it would be going into effect the following season (as in, less than 30 days from the ISU Congress) and it's a major change.
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I think the penalty for falls suggested by the NL is fine... I'd prefer a 0 for a fall on any jump 
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Go Canada for making sure that the ISU takes notice that their documents are unclear, inconsistent and full of mistakes.
They definitely have a point considering the team event medal kerfuffle .
that's me Go Canada for making sure that the ISU takes notice that their documents are unclear, inconsistent and full of mistakes.
They definitely have a point considering the team event medal kerfuffle .
I think this has to do with official practice skate order (music rotation) for practices BEFORE the draw (once they've had the draw, they go by that order, of course). Here is an example of one music rotation from this year's Worlds:
Canada proposes that the order of the skaters for these pre-draw practices is determined alphabetically so that one year the skaters from countries that start with A, B, C, D, etc get the early practices. The following year, the skaters from countries starting with M, N, O (do we have any skaters from Oman?), P, etc would get the early practices.
Although I am not sure which competitions this applies to because if there is a main rink and a practice rink, there are practices happening all around.
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Again it drives me crazy how they are talking about "technical" and "artistic" skaters. And it drives me even more crazy that they are seriously planning to give out separate medals for both. That's an absolute no go for me. I pray they never go there.
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If I understood correctly, you still cannot repeat two quads, just one quad and one triple, or two triples.
Anyway, thanks so much for the great and also very entertaining summary!
I think the proposal is fine for falls on jumps.I think the penalty for falls suggested by the NL is fine... I'd prefer a 0 for a fall on any jump
But they haven't addressed how to deal with falls on non-jump elements or between elements.
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I don't think if you fall on a jump, you should get a 0 because you still did something of difficulty. I think it works in diving, but in figure skating, no bueno.
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I wouldn't mind 0 for a failed jump - but I'm sure that proposal won't get through.
The reduction of jumps and the introduction of a choreo spin on the other hand seem to have a lot of supporters. Not sure what will happen in that regard but I'm leaning towards it probably going through.
Small aspect: Hopefully they will indeed get rid of the current crazy drawing process for the free, like every normal person would advise them to.
I'm disappointed that there is not going to be any change in bv/possible GOE of step sequences which are so undervalued and where huge skill differences are often barely kept apart by a point in scoring.
I had also hoped for more change in regards to switching feds. Of course they don't think of the athletes at all, only of feds.
Regarding the age limits I have already expressed my discomfort about the inequality and I'm not in favour of 16 for senior girls when it is 17 for singles, nor older junior age for anyone. In skating 21 should be the absolute limit for juniors. Unless you have way smaller age groups and 21 year olds compete with and against 19 year olds, not with 13 or 14 year olds. Age gaps should not exceed 4 years imo. If you don't have enough junior pairs without forming couples of 5 and 50 year olds, well. Then that's the way it is. Then either pairs can die or people just start the discipline as late adolescents or later.
The reduction of jumps and the introduction of a choreo spin on the other hand seem to have a lot of supporters. Not sure what will happen in that regard but I'm leaning towards it probably going through.
Small aspect: Hopefully they will indeed get rid of the current crazy drawing process for the free, like every normal person would advise them to.
I'm disappointed that there is not going to be any change in bv/possible GOE of step sequences which are so undervalued and where huge skill differences are often barely kept apart by a point in scoring.
I had also hoped for more change in regards to switching feds. Of course they don't think of the athletes at all, only of feds.
Regarding the age limits I have already expressed my discomfort about the inequality and I'm not in favour of 16 for senior girls when it is 17 for singles, nor older junior age for anyone. In skating 21 should be the absolute limit for juniors. Unless you have way smaller age groups and 21 year olds compete with and against 19 year olds, not with 13 or 14 year olds. Age gaps should not exceed 4 years imo. If you don't have enough junior pairs without forming couples of 5 and 50 year olds, well. Then that's the way it is. Then either pairs can die or people just start the discipline as late adolescents or later.
It is also a change which would make it very difficult for skaters to gain or regain the technical minimums for Worlds. It probably means that anyone (male or female) wanting to go to Worlds will need to have quad jumps. That seems to defeat much of the purpose of the change.
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My question is: is there a logical point to this? Like why do we need to do change it?
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If you read the document, there are actually reasons given for most of the proposals. For this one: Equity between countries for music rotation for practices that are not in starting order.
Why should Austrian skaters always be the ones who have to get up early to get to their official practices?
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The technical minimums are not set in stone. If the change goes through, I expect they will be decreased for next season.
Would that not need there to also be a proposal for them to be changed? And, if changed, anything from the past 2 seasons which met the new TES would count, which then seems to give an advantage to those who competed when more jumps were allowed and who hadn't managed to obtain the TES under that system.
TES aside, the change feels like a big dilution in standards to me, with skaters mainly being separated by subjective PCS scores. The proposals have more elements where all skaters would receive the same base value, rather than the difficulty of what they do actually counting.
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It seems like that is not a Congress but a Council matter:
The applicable Minimum Total Elements Scores and starting with the 2024/25 season the Combined Total Element Scores shall be decided for each season by the ISU Council based on a joint proposal from the respective Technical Committee and the Sports Technical Director(s) and shall be published in an ISU Communication before August 1st each year.
Good point. Anyone remember how it was handled in the past when major changes affecting the TES occurred, e.g. after 2018?
I think it's for jumps only due to how much a fall on a quad is worth. The fall going into a spin would still invalidate the spin, so no BV to reduce there for example.
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