KSU Suspends Hae-in Lee and Young You

[gsk8]

So, there is just over a one-year age gap between two skaters who are still technically in their teens who had a romantic history and may have rekindled it. At least from one side.

I feel bad for all of them. Doesn't sound like there was a crime other than breaking the rules (drinking and being in the wrong dorm).

I hope all of them are able heal and move on with their lives. It's already tough being a teenager in any society. Then you have the internet, social media, and federation rules to contend with. Lots of pressure.

I just want to clarify that I do not condone any type of assault, be it physical or sexual. If that is what happened, then action needs to be taken.

 

[CoyoteChris]

We may never get any more hard facts that we have now. But this version of events has a ring of truth, to me. Tthe original announcement reported in post #1 on this thread gives the impression that the offence of the two senior ladies lay in violating team rules about drinking, while the young man was reprimanded for enering the ladies' dormitory. It seemed like the sexual assault and harassment part was adjoined later, perhaps after further inquiry and possibly legal consultations.

I got home from holiday so I am pretty confused...must go back and see what folks said about A, B and C. The translation is basically correct from post 101 and far be it from me to correct it but the free App Google translate gives a slightly different version of what Haein said. Its easy to use...tap the languages to from you want and tap the camera symbol and point the camera at the text (I am using a desk top screen. ) What she says is they dated in high school but her parents put an end to it. They saw each other mostly out of friendship at the training event and dated, what every that meant, but did not tell their parents. She maintains there was no sexual harrassment.

 

[CoyoteChris]

So, there is just over a one-year age gap between two skaters who are still technically in their teens who had a romantic history and may have rekindled it. At least from one side.

I feel bad for all of them. Doesn't sound like there was a crime other than breaking the rules (drinking and being in the wrong dorm).

I hope all of them are able heal and move on with their lives. It's already tough being a teenager in any society. Then you have the internet, social media, and federation rules to contend with. Lots of pressure.

I agree and of course 100s of thousands of young couples go through this , even if they are the same age as one reaches 18, for instance, days, weeks or months before the other. So do they stop seeing each other and being lightly affectionate? Or? I would like to see a "retrial".
As my Capt. tried to tell me in the state patrol when I had some questions about WA state law , "There is written law and there is case law and case law always trumps written law. Case law deals more with past infractions and the rulings that came out of them. Its more about the spirit of what is in the law. And making the punishment fit the crime. Did people do wrong here? Yes. Should they be put on probation for x amount of time and if they walk the straight and narrow, should they be allowed to compete? Maybe so. I have seen a whole lot worse behavior in skating and other sports than this. And if anyone thinks these kids are alone in the skating world, or sports world, in what they did, think again. My Cousin's kid will be in the summer games for the second time. CBS News.

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[Arigato]

Hello, this is Lee Hae-in.

I'm really sorry. I don't know what to say to the many fans who were disappointed in me. As a member of the national team, I should have shown a better performance to the junior players and devoted myself to training diligently for the other players who were unable to participate in the training camp, but I made a big mistake due to my short-term thinking. Even now that I think about it, my drinking was something I should never have done, and I continue to deeply reflect on it. Since then, I regret every day why I made that mistake. However, the article says that I molested or sexually assaulted a minor, but this is not true. He was the boyfriend I had last year when I was in high school, and we broke up with him due to my parents' opposition, but I met him again during this training camp. Perhaps because we still had feelings for each other, we started dating again there, but we decided to keep it a secret because we didn't want our parents to know. Even when I was being investigated by the Skating Federation, I couldn't say that I was actually dating that friend, but when I heard that I had sexually harassed a minor, it felt like my world was falling apart.I thought it was just a prank or an expression of affection between lovers, but I never imagined that even if we couldn't reveal that we were dating, we would be misunderstood like this.I have received undeserved expectations and love since I was young, but I am truly sorry for showing such a lack of myself. No matter what disciplinary action is taken by the Korean Sports Council, I will deeply reflect and strive to never commit such a mistake in the future.

Posted by Lee Hae-in

Google Translate.

 

[CoyoteChris]

Ah yes, the personal hang-ups of - checks notes - adults not having sex with minors and alcohol not being an excuse for anyone's behavior....

And no, the age of consent is not 20, and I don't understand where this keeps on coming from. It's still 16, with close age exceptions. Article 305 of the Korean Criminal Acts.

You made an interesting technical point. Actually a number of them. In Italy, the age of consent is "As of June 2024, the age of consent in Italy is 14 years old, regardless of gender or sexual orientation. This is the lowest minimum age of consent in the European Union, along with Austria, Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, and Portugal. " Close age exemptions are interesting as well. Even if a couple is going to be 16 in any given year in certain countries, they will reach that date probably at different weeks, or months.

 

[Sabsi]

I have deliberately refrained from commenting on the topic until now. Haein Lee's explanation shows that not everything is always black and white. Accusations are easy to make, especially these days. I have to say, I was scared for her the last few days. The pressure she is currently experiencing must be extreme.

 

[LazyFuzai]

Strange punishments no?
Skater B only one year for taking sexual photos and showing it means that 3 years for Skater A has to be really some strong sexual assault.
Second interesting thing is how KSU get evidence of this?Did Skater C reported anything?If he did it would be strange if he avoid reporting it to police.
Now when Haien give statement they were in relationship means sexual assault make no sense unless skater C really reports it and say it is lie... Quite difficult to solve.

Overall from a fan perspective sad we will not see Young and Haien,but they got what they deserved.

To lighten up mood a bit,if you don't like a bit of black humor don't read line below:


Who wouldn't like to be assault by Lee and You?

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Where does it say there was only a one year gap? My impression is that when they started dating it was a 3 or 4 year gap, skater C around 13-14 and she 17.

Yes they were both minors that that time, but Haein barely, and she should know better.

Maybe the age gap is the reason her parents didn´t approve in the first place.

And it´s even worse now, she is over the legal age, he is not.

I do not think Haein should have made an official statement at this point with the case still ongoing. For me it´s just makes things worse, she doesn´t seem to reflect upon the severity of the situation, she doesn´t seem to think the age difference is a problem and seems more worried about losing OG.

 

[Joekaz]

Where does it say there was only a one year gap? My impression is that when they started dating it was a 3 or 4 year gap, skater C around 13-14 and she 17.

Yes they were both minors that that time, but Haein barely, and she should know better.

Maybe the age gap is the reason her parents didn´t approve in the first place.

And it´s even worse now, she is over the legal age, he is not.

I do not think Haein should have made an official statement at this point with the case still ongoing. For me it´s just makes things worse, she doesn´t seem to reflect upon the severity of the situation, she doesn´t seem to think the age difference is a problem and seems more worried about losing OG.

A teenage girl should know better about romantic relationships? Since never. If what she says is true, this whole thing is ridiculous. Suspend her and You for the season for drinking if you want to make an example. Otherwise the KSU and everyone else should butt out of their private lives. This obviously is not rape or any other serious sexual crime if they were in a relationship for over a year like she said. If she is lying then that will come out in the appeal. So everyone should just suspend judgement till everything comes out.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

A teenage girl should know better about romantic relationships? Since never. If what she says is true, this whole thing is ridiculous. Suspend her and You for the season for drinking if you want to make an example. Otherwise the KSU and everyone else should butt out of their private lives. This obviously is not rape or any other serious sexual crime if they were in a relationship for over a year like she said. If she is lying then that will come out in the appeal. So everyone should just suspend judgement till everything comes out.

If the actual age gap is 13 and 17 when it started then yes, it shows really bad judging. That they are sligthly older now doesn´t help as long as skater C is still a minor/under the age of consent. No matter if they are in a relationship or not.

Just to paint a picture of how obscure it is. In Norway a 13 year old still has almost 3 years left of upper secondary school, and a 17 year old is starting the second year of high school or just finishing the first year. Nobody would approve of this relationship, and a 17 year old would likely not even consider dating someone that young, they would look at them as a child. And by the time the youngest is starting at high school, the oldest would be finished and starting university. They are even in total different life stages.

Now, legally - a relationship between a 13 year old and 17 year old is not forbidden, but sexual actions between them is in Norway, because the age of consent is 16, so the 17 year can be legally punished for having sex with the under aged. The age of consent is there for a reason. It´s 16 in most countries, only extreme few countries operate below it. It´s there to protect the child from getting exploited by an older person. There are power dynamics involved. This case isn´t better since there is the dynamics between a junior and a senior skater.

 

[MiraiFan]

Wow--Haein should have just kept her mouth shut--she just keeps digging with that statement. It seems like she's more worried about the Olympics and her career than about how she did something seriously wrong. Her parents didn't let them date for good reason and at her age, she should have been mature enough to follow the rules while representing her country abroad. I know skaters are under-socialized and kept in a bubble, but the chaperones and national team staff failed here as well. What an embarrassing mess. The suspensions are deserved.

 

[rabidline]

Haein is posting photos of message conversations on her Instagram story.

 

[saine]

Skater C made their own statement to the news - https://m.sports.naver.com/general/article/056/0011750371

 

[Mathman]

Skater C made their own statement to the news - https://m.sports.naver.com/general/article/056/0011750371

So, Hae-in gave skater C a hickey?

 

[Skating91]

I was curious that they used the wording sexually discomforting. I proposed this likely means something along the lines of a attempt to kiss, maybe overly flirtatious, maybe told a lewd joke I don't know. I also mentioned that maybe they were together in the past when both were at an age where they were able to give consent, but then maybe one person turned 19 so was no longer able to give legal consent. Sure it would be strictly illegal because maybe because this person recently turned 19, but this is a flaw in the legislation more than anything.

It seems like this is what has happened if we are to believe one of them, and there is no reason not to.

If this is indeed what happened it's not rape, molestation, assault as some people have tried to claim (there is literally a coach still operating and given awards who had sex with a minor yet people have said the worst things about these two women when it seems like it could just be a teenage romance between skating peers and too much alcohol at a young age).

I don't think these suspensions are going to stand. In any other professional sport it would be something along the lines of a suspension for a 6-8 games.

I suggested they probably all got in trouble the two females for drinking, the male for being in the wrong dorm, then they interview them more and more comes out. The parents find out the male is in trouble, they find out he was with the two females, they're angry, want to see the phone, maybe see the photo while going through the phone, make a complaint with the KSU. Maybe the KSU is responding to pressure and have sacrificed two females who let's face it are on a downward trajectory and not making the Olympics unless Kim and Shin have a sudden decline in consistency. The parents and KSU are happy because the distractions to the star male junior have been resolved.

These two females deserve to have all the information released so the public can assess this and make their own judgement because the KSU have set these two up to look like they are a pair of rapists, when it seems like teenage stupidity and a flawed age of consent law that leads to an absurd situation where an 18 year old can be with a 13 year old but a 19 year old having a recent birthday can no longer be with a 15 year old (not that I agree with Korea's age of consent laws).

 

[saine]

So, Hae-in gave skater C a hickey?

With them not understanding what it was and them not being okay with it afterwards, if Google Translate is right.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Oh god.... this is getting uglier by the minute

The translation is weird, so I don´t get a grasp of it either, but it seems anyway the the attention that skater C got was uncomfortable and something he didn´t want, and it seems he undergoes therapy now because this has all been traumatic (not sure if it´s only the incident alone but everything that has happen afterwards, maybe he was bullied and gotten a lot of ugly messages?), so that is everything we need to know really and I´m so sorry this happen.

Given the statement from skater C management, I doubt that Haein has gotten permission from skater C to post the private messages on the story, and no matter what the messages says or if it´s some kind of proof, it´s not ok, and I think she is only making the case worse for herself and potentially risk a bigger suspension now, because this is just very ugly behavior against a minor.. If she wanted to proof herself this messages belongs in the trial and not on social media.

 

[Skating91]

In a sport rife with cases of abusive coaches (physically, psychologically, sexually and even receive awards despite sleeping with children), it's incredible that it's a drunken teenage hickey between skating peers is where the line is drawn (she might be lying of course but I don't think so). It's so typical to make an example of a teenage female like this. Absolutely destroyed her life, taken away something she has dedicated her entire life too (much like happened to another teenage girl back in January). Even if she fights this and is given a reprieve, they will just lowball he in competition and overlook her for selection any way as payback.

The priority for the ISU is simply to ban any overlap between juniors and seniors in skating, in skating camps, etc. A non-negotiable 17 year old maximum for junior competition and 18 year old minimum for senior competition must be brought in immediately.

We can't have a sport where children mix with adults in camps and competition as peers, then act shocked when something romantic develops between skaters who train together (I'm talking about two teenagers not two people with a huge age difference).

 

[norwegianfairytale]

In a sport rife with cases of abusive coaches (physically, psychologically, sexually and even receive awards despite sleeping with children), it's incredible that it's a drunken teenage hickey between skating peers is where the line is drawn (she might be lying of course but I don't think so). It's so typical to make an example of a teenage female like this. Absolutely destroyed her life, taken away something she has dedicated her entire life too (much like happened to another teenage girl back in January). Even if she fights this and is given a reprieve, they will just lowball he in competition and overlook her for selection any way as payback.

The priority for the ISU is simply to ban any overlap between juniors and seniors in skating, in skating camps, etc. A non-negotiable 17 year old maximum for junior competition and 18 year old minimum for senior competition must be brought in immediately.

We can't have a sport where children mix with adults in camps and competition as peers, then act shocked when something romantic develops between skaters who train together (I'm talking about two teenagers not two people with a huge age difference).

If Haein think she is treated wrong and wants justice she should leave it to the trial with all the proof and not show private messages off to the public without permission, particular when the person involved is a minor. She is the adult person her but doesn´t act like one.

Her career didn´t need to be ruined if she stayed calm and left it up to the court to decide, but with the ways she reacts now in public she certainly does destroy her career on her own without even having the final outcome of the suspension.

I also think she potentially risk a bigger suspension now with posting all those messages on story without permission.

 

[Skating91]

If Haein think she is treated wrong and wants justice she should leave it to the trial with all the proof and not show private messages off to the public without permission, particular when the person involved is a minor. She is the adult person her but doesn´t act like one.

Her career didn´t need to be ruined if she stayed calm and left it up to the court to decide, but with the ways she reacts now in public she certainly does destroy her career on her own without even having the final outcome of the suspension.

I also think she potentially risk a bigger suspension now with posting all those messages on story without permission.

She's a teenager who is being publicly accused as being a rapist and child molester for what could be merely a hickey and drinking some soju. I don't think you can really expect her to sit there and wait 2-3 years for this to go to trial to clear her name while she is accused of the most horrible crimes on social media everyday (her career will be over in 2-3 years anyway she can't wait for a trial if she wants to clear her name and reputation).

What crime has she committed releasing text messages with the name concealed?