2024 Eastern Sectional Singles and U.S. Pairs Final

[moonvine]

Unfortunately, if they keep the same age restrictions that were proposed, will miss the cutoff again. They need someone to get them a waiver for her.

Oh my Lord you have to be kidding. Can we start a petition or something?

 

[labgoat]

There are three senior pairs competing for two spots, unless Plazas & Fernandez withdraw from Nationals and then the third finisher will qualify.

Regarding the pairs & dance (TBD at next week's US Dance Final)

 

[labgoat]

Regarding the men and ladies

 

[labgoat]

She never left the ground. He skated around doing his normal stuff, including jumps. It was very peculiar.

So sorry to hear of injury for junior pair Saya Carpenter & Jon Maravalla. They had such a good run this year on the JGP making a name for themselves. Get well soon!

 

[Janice4th]

Oh my Lord you have to be kidding. Can we start a petition or something?

The ISU has to make the ruling. They need someone with clout from our federation.

 

[labgoat]

Junior Ladies Free held simultaneously for both Eastern Sectionals and Pacific Coast Sectionals

 

[katymay]

So if you are a junior lady and you win your JGP, you still have to compete at Sectionals? (Sophie)

 

[labgoat]

So if you are a junior lady and you win your JGP, you still have to compete at Sectionals? (Sophie)

I guess so, but I don't know the rules for juniors. Any way Sophie Joline von Felten is cruising to victory. Skylar Lautowa-Peguero might get in there for second, but we will see.

 

[ramurphy2005]

So if you are a junior lady and you win your JGP, you still have to compete at Sectionals? (Sophie)

Only juniors who make the JGPF get a bye to Nationals.

 

[CoyoteChris]

Regarding the men and ladies

View attachment 8543

excellent. copied and pasted into word doc

 

[Jumping_Bean]

@moonvine @Janice4th You two cannot be for real right now. Either rules apply to everyone or to nobody, not just not to the teams or skaters we like. And USFS trying to throw around their weight as a big fed would only serve to make people dislike US skaters and distrust their scores.

USFS proposed to keep the minimum age for pairs women at 16 and this proposal was rightfully declined by the ISU congress. There certainly will not (nor should there be) any exceptions going forward.

Not that it matters, because Ellie turns 17 in March and will be Senior-eligible next season. As will Olivia Flores, for that matter.

 

[Janice4th]

There are three senior pairs competing for two spots, unless Plazas & Fernandez withdraw from Nationals and then the third finisher will qualify.

Regarding the pairs & dance (TBD at next week's US Dance Final)
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So, Timmy and Ellie qualify for Nationals.

 

[Janice4th]

@moonvine @Janice4th You two cannot be for real right now. Either rules apply to everyone or to nobody, not just not to the teams or skaters we like. And USFS trying to throw around their weight as a big fed would only serve to make people dislike US skaters and distrust their scores.

USFS proposed to keep the minimum age for pairs women at 16 and this proposal was rightfully declined by the ISU congress. There certainly will not (nor should there be) any exceptions going forward.

Not that it matters, because Ellie turns 17 in March and will be Senior-eligible next season. As will Olivia Flores, for that matter.

Exceptions have been made before. I understand one pairs team was allowed to compete on the Junior level internationally, even though he was too old. Exceptions are done on a case by case basis. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[labgoat]

Eastern Junior Ladies Final

1	14	Sophie Joline von Felten, SC of Boston	1	62.27	1	119.03	181.30
2	15	Sofia Bezkorovainaya, Washington FSC	3	51.18	2	109.01	160.19
3	17	Skylar Lautowa-Peguero, SC of New York	2	52.42	3	99.67	152.09
4	13	Maria Platonova, Panthers FSC	4	49.01	6	81.27	130.28

So Sophie & Sofia qualify to Nationals.

 

[saine]

I believe the age for the woman changes to 18 next year. I think 18 is too old. Nothing wrong with the 16 year old rule.

The age is not changing next season. It will still be 17.

Exceptions have been made before. I understand one pairs team was allowed to compete on the Junior level internationally, even though he was too old. Exceptions are done on a case by case basis. Nothing wrong with that.

Which team was allowed where the male was too old?

They aren't going to make exceptions in this case. If they aren't going to make an exception for Mao Shimada, they will not make one for Ellie.

 

[moonvine]

Only juniors who make the JGPF get a bye to Nationals.

Byes aren't easy to come by as juniors.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I believe the age for the woman changes to 18 next year. I think 18 is too old. Nothing wrong with the 16 year old rule.

No, the age change was from 15 to 17 in two steps. There never was a "16-year-old rule", that was just the step in-between so skaters wouldn't lose their eligibility after having already turned Senior-eligible, and the USFS wanted to stop at this second step for only pairs women, which was resoundingly shut down by the ISU congress.

Exceptions have been made before. I understand one pairs team was allowed to compete on the Junior level internationally, even though he was too old. Exceptions are done on a case by case basis. Nothing wrong with that.

Exceptions were not made on a case-by-case basis, it was a blanket exception (like "grandfathering in" skaters who had already turned Senior), due to the short time-line of the age-limit implementation and the small pairs field at the time. That it only ended up applying to a single pair for one season (due to splits and then later the blanket raise of the Junior age limits) does not mean there was an exception made for one pair specifically, which is what you are talking about.

Ellie and Timmy were not internationally age-eligible for a single moment during their partnership, and Timmy was too old even for the "too old" exception that applied for a single season, they would have had to really be given an exception applying just to them in order to compete internationally before next season.

 

[labgoat]

No, the age change was from 15 to 17 in two steps. There never was a "16-year-old rule", that was just the step in-between so skaters wouldn't lose their eligibility after having already turned Senior-eligible, and the USFS wanted to stop at this second step for only pairs women, which was resoundingly shut down by the ISU congress.

Exceptions were not made on a case-by-case basis, it was a blanket exception (like "grandfathering in" skaters who had already turned Senior), due to the short time-line of the age-limit implementation and the small pairs field at the time. That it only ended up applying to a single pair for one season (due to splits and then later the blanket raise of the Junior age limits) does not mean there was an exception made for one pair specifically, which is what you are talking about.

Thank you for all your excellent clarifications @Jumping_Bean. I greatly appreciate them as I don't have enough time to follow them closely enough with doing the rewatches.

 

[moonvine]

@moonvine @Janice4th You two cannot be for real right now. Either rules apply to everyone or to nobody, not just not to the teams or skaters we like. And USFS trying to throw around their weight as a big fed would only serve to make people dislike US skaters and distrust their scores.

USFS proposed to keep the minimum age for pairs women at 16 and this proposal was rightfully declined by the ISU congress. There certainly will not (nor should there be) any exceptions going forward.

Not that it matters, because Ellie turns 17 in March and will be Senior-eligible next season. As will Olivia Flores, for that matter.

Sorry......they (and I) have just been waiting for so long. Like, literally YEARS. It has been frustrating for me, I literally cannot imagine what it has been like for them.

 

[moonvine]

So, Timmy and Ellie qualify for Nationals.

Was there ever a doubt?