2025 Russian Junior Nationals

[flanker]

Well, some slight errors on the throws, but they'll hang on to the silver. Another team that visually looks ready for Seniors. Taisiya has made so much progress since switching to pairs.

I think they are age eligible for seniors in Russia next season already.

 

[AlexBreeze]

Jr Nats have slightly changed the roster for the final. I'm creating a thread with the list.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

I think they are age eligible for seniors in Russia next season already.

They should be, if I remember correctly. I have a list of the pairs' Senior eligibility seasons somewhere

 

[flanker]

They should be, if I remember correctly. I have a list of the pairs' Senior eligibility seasons somewhere

I have to find skaters age on figure-skaters.ru now when allskaters are out (I really hope they collect some money to reopen it, I feel like blind without it ).

 

[AlexBreeze]

when allskaters are out

You can use webarchive I think.

 

[RatedPG]

I just caught up on this competition.
I want to applaud all the competitors.
The junior boys and girls are simply the best in the world.
Gleb - Clear best junior boy!! Wow

Elena was fantastic!! Her 3A’s and 4S are so good!! To me, she was the clear winner
Alena D - She could have won had she fully rotated the 4Lz. Anna and Alexandra’s 4Lz had way more height. When Alena went for the lutz I thought she would fall as it would be 4Lz<. Kudos to her for going for it. Her 4T is solid.
Sofia D - Wow!! I thought she would be lucky just to place top 6. She went for the 4T and kinda of landed it. That is what got her the bronze medal.

Also, proud of Petrova. I like it when clean artistic skaters can still make it to the National team for Russia. Her placing fifth still gives me hope, that it is possible.

 

[ajingmarg]

Yea, the coaches should've listened to her...I'm sure she knows her body and limitations better than they do. I hope she pulls out of the final, cause at this point she's been injured most of the season and needs to seriously rest

eteri should listen to her skaters? What are you talking about here? Her skaters do what she tells them not the other way around

 

[Skating91]

Found this from Dec 2023, went digging through her fangroup just for you bud:

She was super duper short back then:

Barely even taller than Bazlyuk!

Who is way shorter than Adeliia! (all pics from relatively the same time period)

So basically, yes her mom is extremely short, and dad looks below average at least. She probably wont grow much, she clearly matured a lot physically but still short. Girls stop growing earlier than boys. She doesn't have any surprises waiting for her by my assumption. Clearly very different genetics from Adeliia though anyways.

That's some excellent detective work thank you. I'll bookmark this page.

 

[Skating91]

eteri should listen to her skaters? What are you talking about here? Her skaters do what she tells them not the other way around

In principle a student/skater will listen to the coach within reason.

Let's look at this rationally.

Someone is spreading a rumour that it is a serious injury, but what is a serious injury? And can that rumour be trusted? I don't someone can jump quads so easily in a warm up with a serious injury. Or is just some kind of excuse coming from Margo's camp to excuse such a bad loss to her rivals, potentially not being in the senior team.

I don't really believe someone with a serious injury could skate a short program so brilliantly, jump flawlessly in the warm up, then suddenly fall apart in the free skate itself. This would indicate a psychological failure, rather than a physical failure.

Sure, could there be an injury. Of course. I would be surprised if any skater 6 months into the season isn't carrying an injury of some kind. This is the nature of sport you are balancing up whether to take the risk or not. This is the Russian championships, it is the biggest event of the year, she wants to retain her title, she wants to be on the national team, there is many months of rest after this event if needed to recover, they made a calculated decision that the juice was worth the squeeze. Is this right? I don't know it's a personal decision. It's not a sport for risk averse people.

If we only allow skaters that are 100% healthy to skate there won't be too many competing. I don't think Malinin would have taken part in the GP final, I think Glenn was carrying an injury as well. They made the calculated decision to skate and it worked out well for them.

It could be a situation like with Usachova where Daria and her mother were demanding they go onto the ice while Eteri was against it. I'm sure it's not Eteri having the final word, it's the skater and the parents making the ultimate decision. Valieva came back from some fracture in her leg with just three weeks of training at the JGP final in 2019 and skated without ultra-c content. So they do scale it back when necessary.

We don't know the nature of the injury either. If it is some kind of stress fracture (which is simply a part of the game nothing to do with Eteri), then she probably skated after a doctor said it is likely no more damage will be done to it and knowing that there are many months of rest ahead if needed. If it was early in the season, she might have sat out to prepare herself for the big competition.

If it was some kind of muscle strain, again this is something that can be managed after the competition.

Yes, in a perfect world everyone waits until they are completely healed until they skate, but ultimately athletes carry injury and make calculated gambles with their health in every sport. The flip side is if athletes aren't allowed to perform carrying injuries, then they will simply hide injuries from coaches, support staff, parents in order to compete.

 

[Mathematician]

In principle a student/skater will listen to the coach within reason.

Let's look at this rationally.

Someone is spreading a rumour that it is a serious injury, but what is a serious injury? And can that rumour be trusted? I don't someone can jump quads so easily in a warm up with a serious injury. Or is just some kind of excuse coming from Margo's camp to excuse such a bad loss to her rivals, potentially not being in the senior team.

I don't really believe someone with a serious injury could skate a short program so brilliantly, jump flawlessly in the warm up, then suddenly fall apart in the free skate itself. This would indicate a psychological failure, rather than a physical failure.

Sure, could there be an injury. Of course. I would be surprised if any skater 6 months into the season isn't carrying an injury of some kind. This is the nature of sport you are balancing up whether to take the risk or not. This is the Russian championships, it is the biggest event of the year, she wants to retain her title, she wants to be on the national team, there is many months of rest after this event if needed to recover, they made a calculated decision that the juice was worth the squeeze. Is this right? I don't know it's a personal decision. It's not a sport for risk averse people.

If we only allow skaters that are 100% healthy to skate there won't be too many competing. I don't think Malinin would have taken part in the GP final, I think Glenn was carrying an injury as well. They made the calculated decision to skate and it worked out well for them.

It could be a situation like with Usachova where Daria and her mother were demanding they go onto the ice while Eteri was against it. I'm sure it's not Eteri having the final word, it's the skater and the parents making the ultimate decision. Valieva came back from some fracture in her leg with just three weeks of training at the JGP final in 2019 and skated without ultra-c content. So they do scale it back when necessary.

We don't know the nature of the injury either. If it is some kind of stress fracture (which is simply a part of the game nothing to do with Eteri), then she probably skated after a doctor said it is likely no more damage will be done to it and knowing that there are many months of rest ahead if needed. If it was early in the season, she might have sat out to prepare herself for the big competition.

If it was some kind of muscle strain, again this is something that can be managed after the competition.

Yes, in a perfect world everyone waits until they are completely healed until they skate, but ultimately athletes carry injury and make calculated gambles with their health in every sport. The flip side is if athletes aren't allowed to perform carrying injuries, then they will simply hide injuries from coaches, support staff, parents in order to compete.

I agree with everything you said here but its still interesting to me that she didn't want to jump the 3A. Shes known for extreme zeal, always jumping maximum content even if its unnecessary (unlike conservative Adeliia for example), and shes the most talented jumper in the world, but didn't want to do her easiest jump at the most important tournament? Whatever it is, thats out of character... but maybe I'm overthinking it. We'll see how she does at the cup final.

 

[Skating91]

I agree with everything you said here but its still interesting to me that she didn't want to jump the 3A. Shes known for extreme zeal, always jumping maximum content even if its unnecessary (unlike conservative Adeliia for example), and shes the most talented jumper in the world, but didn't want to do her easiest jump at the most important tournament? Whatever it is, thats out of character... but maybe I'm overthinking it. We'll see how she does at the cup final.

I think she likely didn't want to do the 3A in the SP because she didn't feel 100% confident with it (normal feeling at times for an athlete), and in juniors it's not really worth the risk unless 100% confident of landing it in a combo every single time. 3A is almost never worth the risk in female juniors, although ironically it helped Lena to win.

Going for the 3A in a combo gives a 1.62 BV point advantage over saving the 3Lz-3T combo for the second half.

So 21.33 BV vs 19.71.

But if you fall on the 3A you can't do the combo and automatic -5 GOE bringing the score for that 3A combo to 4, so effective BV of 13.79.

The skater comes out even with 1 fall in every 5 short programs with the 3A combo instead of using the 3Lz combo in the second half.

Of course there will still be freak falls with simplified content, Margo fell on a single 3F in a short program earlier in the season. But generally a 2A, 3F, 3Lz-3T is a risk free layout for a Russian female junior. 18 girls went up and no-one popped a jump, one fall, everyone completed a 3-3 combo.

Also, going for the simpler layout doesn't take into account the the safer 3Lz-3T keeps a skater close and in contention with someone who lands the 3A-3T (maintains scoring pressure on the opponent as well), whereas a fall on the 3A almost take that skater out of contention in a strong field (which Margo was in) and takes some of the pressure off the leader.

I'm not sure a competition will come down to 2 points enough times to justify the 3A in the short program for juniors. Sure, it did this time for Elena but that's results oriented thinking. The reason why Elena was 1.5 points ahead of Alisa was not the 3A, but because she doesn't skate to the music and messed it up at the end otherwise the gap is larger. That's an elementary error she will probably not make again.

I suppose there are other reasons to persist with the 3A. Maybe a skater is landing this 3A combo 10/10 times in practice. Going for the 3A also maintains a reputation and aura out there. Margo backing down with a 2A against Elena makes her look vulnerable, gives Elena's confidence a big boost to see her main rival feel insecure. Eteri understands the mental side of the game better than anyone.

 

[katymay]

In principle a student/skater will listen to the coach within reason.

Let's look at this rationally.

Someone is spreading a rumour that it is a serious injury, but what is a serious injury? And can that rumour be trusted? I don't someone can jump quads so easily in a warm up with a serious injury. Or is just some kind of excuse coming from Margo's camp to excuse such a bad loss to her rivals, potentially not being in the senior team.

I don't really believe someone with a serious injury could skate a short program so brilliantly, jump flawlessly in the warm up, then suddenly fall apart in the free skate itself. This would indicate a psychological failure, rather than a physical failure.

Sure, could there be an injury. Of course. I would be surprised if any skater 6 months into the season isn't carrying an injury of some kind. This is the nature of sport you are balancing up whether to take the risk or not. This is the Russian championships, it is the biggest event of the year, she wants to retain her title, she wants to be on the national team, there is many months of rest after this event if needed to recover, they made a calculated decision that the juice was worth the squeeze. Is this right? I don't know it's a personal decision. It's not a sport for risk averse people.

If we only allow skaters that are 100% healthy to skate there won't be too many competing. I don't think Malinin would have taken part in the GP final, I think Glenn was carrying an injury as well. They made the calculated decision to skate and it worked out well for them.

It could be a situation like with Usachova where Daria and her mother were demanding they go onto the ice while Eteri was against it. I'm sure it's not Eteri having the final word, it's the skater and the parents making the ultimate decision. Valieva came back from some fracture in her leg with just three weeks of training at the JGP final in 2019 and skated without ultra-c content. So they do scale it back when necessary.

We don't know the nature of the injury either. If it is some kind of stress fracture (which is simply a part of the game nothing to do with Eteri), then she probably skated after a doctor said it is likely no more damage will be done to it and knowing that there are many months of rest ahead if needed. If it was early in the season, she might have sat out to prepare herself for the big competition.

If it was some kind of muscle strain, again this is something that can be managed after the competition.

Yes, in a perfect world everyone waits until they are completely healed until they skate, but ultimately athletes carry injury and make calculated gambles with their health in every sport. The flip side is if athletes aren't allowed to perform carrying injuries, then they will simply hide injuries from coaches, support staff, parents in order to compete.

To me it seemed to be more of a timing issue, related to growth spurts-she has always flown into jumps a bit off access-add an inch or two, and maybe a few pounds, she can no longer pull this out. It will take some adjustment. Also, when there is growth, there is often bone pain, which is exacerbated when you are an athlete. On the warm up she was rock solid. I think it was just one of those fluke things.

 

[lariko]

I saved pairs for today. Omg, Domozhirova/Vegera had a nightmare short and a dream free. I hope so much they will come back with a win next season.

Dance was really good yesterday and I really like Katzalapov's commentary. Morozov and Scherbakova also were fantastic. I only missed Kolyada for the junior men.

 

[lariko]

Wow, quad twist but then Kaunas/Bregei lost their lift, such a bummer. Pairs was a total suspended to the end. Absolute blast! Pairs were the best part for me!