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If you look at wiki, US flag code, there is a bewildering number of changes...I am only 76 so I dont ever remember being told that visitors had to sing...but hey, I dont remember what I had for breakfast
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I love that song and you can even sing it....but it saddens me as Gary Edward "Garrison" Keillor did his own song about it and The Gallipoli campaign....
Lincoln defied the Supreme Court when he continued to detain people without due process after he was ordered not too.
I love eagle flyovers, unless they have just eaten and I have no overhead cover.
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If they ever decide to change the national anthem from the Star Spangled Banner (too hard to sing) to America the Beautiful. I hope that patriots put the emphasis on the line "God mend thine every flaw."
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My sister lived for many years in an area in Washington State that was designated as a federal eagle sanctuary. They were everywhere. Still are, even though golden and bald eagles have made a comeback and are no longer on the endangered species list.I love eagle flyovers, unless they have just eaten and I have no overhead cover.
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I can see them over my house outside of Spokane but of course people flock (no pun intended) to lake CDA to see them. Dont see the Goldens too much but North America has lost one third of its birds in the last 50 years. In Spokane, I have noted many of the owls are gone now as well as many of the insect eating birds....I miss the eared owls and the swallows and the night hawks...so fun to watch.My sister lived for many years in an area in Washington State that was designated as a federal eagle sanctuary. They were everywhere. Still are, even though golden and bald eagles have made a comeback and are no longer on the endangered species list.
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Hard to do in any country...and that is sad...there is still racism in the US but in WA , I have never seen the racism against the Asians that you see in say places on the east coast. In Japan...the signs in some restaurants no longer say, "No round eyes" but "Japanese only" It is my hope that some day someone's gene content will be unimportant. People have the capacity when they are born to ignore prejudice. If only they are not taught otherwise....The US soldiers that were ordered to take US citizen children and babies out of Catholic orphanages cause of who they looked like would hug the children good bye at the camps and cry..... I do like America the Beautiful better than the SSB.
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Growing up in Spokane I would say that it was a mixed bag. I remember the heated debates in 1959 about whether the U.S. should admit Alaska and Hawaii as states. Alaska was cool (no pun intended) because everyone was white in Alaska, except a few Aleuts who didn't count. But Hawaii had a large population of Asians and Pacific Islanders -- politicians railed on the theme, "Do we really want to invite the yellow horde into our country as citizens? Didn't we just fight World War II to keep them out?"
After the Vietnam war, Washington State (and British Columbia) took the lead in welcoming refugees and immigrants from South East Asia (including various minority-within-a-minority groups like the Hmong). They faced both welcome and resentment in equal measures.
It's a long hard struggle.
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Speaking of eagles, I took a short video of an eagle having a screeching aerial argument with a hawk just across the road from my front door. The date was November 15, 2024, just after the election; gives me shivers to watch it now as possibly a portent of events to come. Wish I could share it here but cannot seem to share a video from my personal photo file
Chris made a twitter account so he could post videos and pictures, then embed them here.Speaking of eagles, I took a short video of an eagle having a screeching aerial argument with a hawk just across the road from my front door. The date was November 15, 2024, just after the election; gives me shivers to watch it now as possibly a portent of events to come. Wish I could share it here but cannot seem to share a video from my personal photo file
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Thank you! Am taking a break from FB Instagram; never had a Twitter account but may create one soon… when I decide to go online again.. stuff here is too overwhelming right now. Will add the video to my OP later
Nobody can sing the US National Anthem - I’m banning singing along, as it hurts my sensitive ears. I’m still petitioning to change it to ‘America, the Beautiful’, which is not a war song, but is actually about the country and everyone can sing it.If you look at wiki, US flag code, there is a bewildering number of changes...I am only 76 so I dont ever remember being told that visitors had to sing...but hey, I dont remember what I had for breakfast
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Great fun comp. So many fun skates. Thank you, Japan, for a great comp and being so supportive. .Kaori, I always enjoy you even though you have had issues in your what? Last 8 skates? Love Team Japan and USA. "Cracker" Chris gets a dope slap for hearing the announcers say Kaori's name right so many times and still not making an attempt to pronounce her name right.Ilia, if what I saw during the medal ceremony is correct, and I am willing to admit I was wrong, gets a huge dope slap for not putting his hand over his heart during the anthem. The last time the US Flag code was changed was in 2017. I am hoping this was just a stupid slip up and not intentional.
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other (US) persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart.
Ilia never puts his hand over his heart. Nor is he required to because 'it's a free country' and he can or not as he chooses. Plenty of other US athletes don't place their hands over their hearts during the anthem. That being said, I wish that they would because I'm old school patriotic that way. I was disappointed when I first noticed that Ilia doesn't. I even wondered if someone should mention to his PR or agent that it's offensive to many Americans. But in the end, as Americans we're free to do as we please as long as we're not hurting anyone or breaking laws.
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You don't 'have' to. No American has to. We may choose to place hand over heart during the anthem, or not. No one is going to arrest you or something if you don't. At least not yet...I always find the irony of that so funny!
Mind you, I do wonder if, with wearing headsets and possibly having somebody in the gallery talking in their ear, the commentators can actually hear the rinkside announcers.
What?! You mean to say you actually have to do those things?!
I'm glad I'm not from a country where that is expected, then. Because I always cringe whenever I see anybody doing any of those things.
I just can't understand the whole concept of patriotism. And I know this is a symptom of being from a place where society is divided, and where people have loyalties to different flags. Because of this, I strongly believe is wisest to just steer well clear of the whole thing.
For me, your loyalties are to the people that you care about, and who care about you.
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What a strange discussion. When I was growing up, it was generally expected that you would stand at attention -not exactly military style, but straight back and proud posture. I'm not sure where the hand over heart thing came from.
Out of unfathomable curiosity about a topic I don't care about, I googled "1960 Olympic podiums during anthem" and I didn't see a single photo of an athlete with hand over heart.
Out of unfathomable curiosity about a topic I don't care about, I googled "1960 Olympic podiums during anthem" and I didn't see a single photo of an athlete with hand over heart.
One of my all-time favorite Olympic stories. Dan Jansen. Timestamped for anthem. Hit play.
And more recently:
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And more recently:
Simone Biles, Suni Lee soak in medal ceremony after all-around competition | Paris Olympics
Team USA’s Simone Biles and Suni Lee hear the United States’ national anthem after medaling in the women’s gymnastics individual all-around competition. #NBC...
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I am in the very beginning of watching Ladies LP only now and, imho, there really is something in Sara- Maude Dupuis skating that draws in, and despite all her technical mistakes. I would say that all her movements are with a deep meaning which comes from within, there is no emptiness, she skates with body and soul.
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It has indeed. Ever since the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 which kept getting renewed till 1942. WA state has about 2500 Hmong. They have wonderful farmers markets in Minn/ St Paul I have been to. The way they are treated in Northern Vietnam is aweful...there is a PBS special about that called "Children of the Mists" Now the Asian new years festival in Spokane is about standing room only when I went.
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