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2025 Skate to Milano Women's Short Program

At this point, getting through and qualifying is all that counts. This isn't a major competition and she has never competed internationally, and will not be able to do before Milan. Playing it at least a bit safe (whatever that means for an 18 year old Tut skater) makes sense.
 
How does Adelia who had this fast, frenetic, complex, precise level 4 step sequence get 7.86 for skating skills, but Loena (with all her errors and interruptions) and Nastya (with her lack of speed and coming to a complete stop at times) level 3 step sequences receive 8.25 for skating skills?

How does that work exactly?
Well Petrosyan is paying the price for not competing internationally for over two years. Unlike past Eteri expiry date girls they built up a reputation, they got consistent and trutfully they have more C elements. Petrosyan has no reputation unlike Loena and like it or not, fair or not that matters. She won't win olympics probably because I don't think she is on the GP. Now if she was on the GP she probably woud get better and higher pcs eventually.
 
Politicking will be too strong at Olympics. Just remember how they butchered Gubanova the last time to prop American girls.
Anna won comfortably with 2 quads, but Adelia won't be a reigning WC with a lot of reputation and top-1 ISU rank. So, technically, if Adelia will be flawless, she may win with just 2 quads, but I doubt that she will be flawless as she has always been prone to unforced mistakes and needIs a safety cushion.
She just doesn't have the elements like the prior Russian girls who did multiple triples including quad flips and lutzes. Does anyone know if she is skating anywhere else?
 
Loena put her hand down on the ice after a 3F+3T and got -0.98 GOE.
A senior male put his hand down on the ice after a 4 Lutz and got -0.99. GOE

Man, she got overscored on that sucker.
She didn’t, you’re confusing the GOE grade and the points. On that combo -0.98 points means it was overall scored by the judges at -2 GOE average; for a 4Lz, -0.99 points means judges have it at -1 GOE average. So in your examples, she was scored harsher than that male skater, whoever that was.
 
She didn’t, you’re confusing the GOE grade and the points. On that combo -0.98 points means it was overall scored by the judges at -2 GOE average; for a 4Lz, -0.99 points means judges have it at -1 GOE average. So in your examples, she was scored harsher than that male skater, whoever that was.

The entire point of my post had absolutely nothing to do with a guy.

Let's make it easier for you to get the point, I'll repost what you deleted from my post:

As for PCS, she got 32.53. Far beneath the norm for her in a SP which is around 35.

Man, she got overscored on that sucker.


The last line is sarcasm. She wasn't overscored regardless of how many people claim otherwise. Usually I don't have to explain my posts, or my jokes in real life. But there are always exceptions.
 
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That would be a terrible gamble. I think Kaori would sweep her on PCS and GOE. Although Kaori was inconsistent last season and I cant remember the last time Adeliia fell on non ultra-c. We have a couple wildcards training 3A internationally as well though you never know what sort of scores they might rack up. Her 4T/3A were consistent she definitely needs them to be comfortable for gold
Really just one quad would be enough, and her 4T seemed pretty solid last year. She can do it twice, once in combo to rack up the tech points.
 
At this point, getting through and qualifying is all that counts. This isn't a major competition and she has never competed internationally, and will not be able to do before Milan. Playing it at least a bit safe (whatever that means for an 18 year old Tut skater) makes sense.
They mentioned that she was coming off injury too, so that's also a factor in playing it safe here.
 
How does Adelia who had this fast, frenetic, complex, precise level 4 step sequence get 7.86 for skating skills,

Maybe if someone stopped teaching skaters to throw their leg up in the air making the result look like the crane on a tow truck, lifting an abandoned car, scores might improve. It's been going on for years.
 
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If Adelia wants gold, she needs at least 2 quads, but it's gonna be a gamble still, because they'll butcher her in GOE and components. So, if she wants to be sure, she needs 3A in SP also.
Okay let's not get dramatic here....

... she's had basically zero senior international experience, presented a program for the first time, had a flawed lutz, had no triple axel, and was clearly a bit nervous.... and STILL scored mostly 8/ 8.00-8.50s for most components (31.63) including 8.04 for performance, and scored +3 GOE for most of her elements.


Y'all are acting like it's some big conspiracy that she didn't get +5's and 9.00's across the board — this is an international competition, this ain't Russian Nationals/Rostelecom Cup, folks.
 
She just doesn't have the elements like the prior Russian girls who did multiple triples including quad flips and lutzes. Does anyone know if she is skating anywhere else?
She does have a quad flip. She is also the only lady to land a 4Lo in competition. Her spins are better than any of the prior Russian girls except Kamila. Anna never had a 4T or a 3A. Trusova also struggled with a 3A and was extremely inconsistent. If you compare only domestic scoring she has wiped all the Russian girls already at their prime except for Kamila, who also only had 4S and 4T for quads. She has the highest senior career average from any Russian lady in history. The narrative that just because Anna and Sasha had a lutz means they're better, is completely wrong. And, in Akateva's best season, when she was supposed the chosen one, she was still outscored by Adeliia both by season average and peak score.
 
She does have a quad flip. She is also the only lady to land a 4Lo in competition. Her spins are better than any of the prior Russian girls except Kamila. Anna never had a 4T or a 3A. Trusova also struggled with a 3A and was extremely inconsistent. If you compare only domestic scoring she has wiped all the Russian girls already at their prime except for Kamila, who also only had 4S and 4T for quads. She has the highest senior career average from any Russian lady in history. The narrative that just because Anna and Sasha had a lutz means they're better, is completely wrong. And, in Akateva's best season, when she was supposed the chosen one, she was still outscored by Adeliia both by season average and peak score.
Better spins than Lipnitskaia?

Her layback for example in her SP travelled quite a bit and the biellmann was barely 2 rotations.

Does Adelia still have said quads?
 
Better spins than Lipnitskaia?

Her layback for example in her SP travelled quite a bit and the biellmann was barely 2 rotations.

Does Adelia still have said quads?
Well she had all of them except the 4Lo last season. She isnt jumping any now which is effectively pre-season by the Russian standard. In any case we're comparing the whole career, by which standard she is the first, if we compare even only domestic scores.

Better spins that Lipnitskaya? I mean, I would say very easily yea. There are a few novice skaters right now with better spins than Lipnitskaya. It was a different era, the standard isn't even comparable. Lipnitskaya was extremely fast, the fastest ever perhaps, but she was sort of a one-trick with the I-spin IMO. I would say Adeliia's full Y-position alone beats it nevermind the general difficulty and execution at her best. I wouldn't try to compare Adeliia's first international start with Lipnitskaya's Olympic peak in any case... Its totally fine with me if people aren't interested in watching her Russian events and such, I wouldn't expect it from anyone, but I also wouldn't expect them to then watch her one start coming off injury and start using it as comparison with everyone else they've known for years at their peak.
 
Nah 2 ultra-c is easily enough.
I look at it from the opposite side.. If Adelia does 2 quad toes, that turns the screws on the other girls. IMHO the others would need a triple Axel to make it competitive. Alyssa Liu has a presentation boost (at least she did at Worlds) but by itself that's only a couple of points. Kaori Sakamoto has the best skating skills, but again she can't give away too many points in base value. Anber Glenn has a triple Axel but otherwise her skating is not above quite a few others, including the top Japanese and Koreans, plus competitors like Pinzarrone and Petrokina.

Two quad toes and otherwise relatively clean would put the onus on everyone else to catch up.
 
I look at it from the opposite side.. If Adelia does 2 quad toes, that turns the screws on the other girls. IMHO the others would need a triple Axel to make it competitive. Alyssa Liu has a presentation boost (at least she did at Worlds) but by itself that's only a couple of points. Kaori Sakamoto has the best skating skills, but again she can't give away too many points in base value. Anber Glenn has a triple Axel but otherwise her skating is not above quite a few others, including the top Japanes and Koreans, plus competitors like Pinzarrone and Petrokina.

Two quad toes and otherwise relatively clean would put the onus on everyone else to catch up.
Indeed, but its a tall ask for skaters to learn ultra-c out of thin air in just a few months with minimal competitive practice left, and you can only get so much extra from improving your triples or PCS, especially if you're someone like Kaori who is already maxxing all that out. In any case, these girls know what she is capable of and have been aware of her participation for a while. They already know what they're supposed to be beat. I wouldn't be too worried about any of the main players right now levelling up like crazy out of thin air unless Alyssa stabilizes that 3A well enough for 2 programs. I think Adeliia's biggest worry should just be to maintain the form she had the last couple seasons. There are also some wildcards like I mentioned learning 3As and quads but I don't know if they will have the reputation or holistic completeness to challenge the top girls despite a potentially impressive BV.
 
The PCS/GOE was not that bad today.
She was overscored on PCS -- no knee bend whatsoever and one of Danny G's worst ever programs. Atrocious packaging. The man is not a talented choreographer. At least when Averbukh choreographed for Eteri, the programs were mostly tolerable.
 
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