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2025 GP Finlandia Trophy Free Dance

What?! Laurence and Guillaume won?!

Sorry, but that did not do it for me. At all.

There again, neither does Olivia and Tim with an "E"'s "Dune" programme that everybody seems to love.

Piper & Paul and Emilea & Vadym both had far better Free Dance programmes. And they should have been on the top two steps.

I am becoming seriously disllusioned with all the politics of Ice Dance.

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I've been won over this year by the Browns, and Diana and Gleb. I loved Dune last year, but this year its yawnsville. And I've always had a soft spot for Piper and Paul but they've had better and more interesting programmes - Wuthering Heights and the Joni Mitchell one are the standouts for me.
 
If anything, this event proved there is no clear Olympic favorite in ice dance. Canada is going to have to learn to play this political game as dirty as the US and France is currently playing it.
She still needs a waiver from the IOC since she competed for Canada at the Olympics in 2022, and last competed at worlds in 2024. Per the Olympic charter, she's not eligible to compete at the Olympics for France until 2027, unless Canada and France agree to let the waiver go through.

I haven't seen anything about this having happened yet, but then I also don't go digging around for articles and things. I just know about this requirement because someone mentioned it, and I pulled up the Olympic Charter for myself.
 
She still needs a waiver from the IOC since she competed for Canada at the Olympics in 2022, and last competed at worlds in 2024. Per the Olympic charter, she's not eligible to compete at the Olympics for France until 2027, unless Canada and France agree to let the waiver go through.

I haven't seen anything about this having happened yet, but then I also don't go digging around for articles and things. I just know about this requirement because someone mentioned it, and I pulled up the Olympic Charter for myself.
I have the feeling this part of the negotiations already happened.. and that there will be no announcement about it. Too bad that the COC didn't ask the French judge to not dump Piper and Paul in exchange for that waiver. I mean, if Canada is helping France... why not France helping Canada... At that point, it feels like everyone is helping each other and Canada is clueless... We are so nice.
 
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I think Emilea has the opportunity to be a more technically proficient and charismatic ice dancer than Lila or Madison when all is said and done.

Of course, everyone has their teams that they like and support. I just think that if she continues learning technique, Emilea will be closer to the levels Tessa and Meryl reached in their careers.

Obviously, being partnered with Vadym, a hard-working skater who has willed himself into excellence, helps.
 
I don’t know. That’s what I thought about the French. Maybe people have different tastes?
Hmm. I liked the drama, I was waiting for a hint of romance, then realised at the end it wasn't going to be that type of programme. I really liked the Anissina and Peizerat version because of that, but I respect their program even though I'm not particularly drawn to it. I think Vadym has the potential to be a really cool mix of Scott Moir and Guillaume Cizeron. Tastes just differ, like you said.
 
... (No shade to Emilea, as she is a top performer, has excellent charisma, and is very well conditioned, endurance-wise; but she is only in her third year of ice dance and although her improvements are impressively exponential, she is still perfecting her technique.) ...

My congratulations to Zingas/Kolesnik!

btw, Zingas is in her fourth season of ice dance.
Z/K's very first competition as partners was 2022 Chesapeake Open.
2022 Golden Spin of Zagreb was their first international competition, where they won the bronze medal.
At 2023 U.S. Nationals, they placed third in the RD, and went on to win the pewter medal; their total score was just 0.32 behind the bronze medalists.

p.s. I hope the wonderful Oona and Gage Brown will bounce back at Golden Spin.
 
I am not really disappointed at all for Piper and Paul though that base level probably is the difference in the end.
Fournier-Beaudry/Cizeron got low levels too, and we can say that their lowerish scores are because of the wrong and weird choreo sequence call in the RD and the '!' on the choreo steps in the FD in the same way how we can talk about Piper's base level twizzle.

to be fair, the second curve lift is not good and also got level 3 in GP de France if I recall correctly.

also no elements were invalidated
In the French GP that lift got level 4. Their choreo steps in the FD got an '!' and, subsequently, lower GOE this time.

there was a bobble in it... Mark called it too... So if he does, I will trust him :)
To be honest, it was the kind of bobble that would normally warrant lower GOE, not an '!'.
 
Fournier-Beaudry/Cizeron got low levels too, and we can say that their lowerish scores are because of the wrong and weird choreo sequence call in the RD and the '!' on the choreo steps in the FD in the same way how we can talk about Piper's base level twizzle.

In the French GP that lift got level 4. Their choreo steps in the FD got an '!' and, subsequently, lower GOE this time.

To be honest, it was the kind of bobble that would normally warrant lower GOE, not an '!'.
the ! means that a requirement wasn't respected. So perhaps there are two different issues.

Regarding the lift in GP de France, I think it was first called level 3 but perhaps changed later on ? I'd have to look at the stream. The reality though is that Guillaume is not as good as a lifting partner as some of the top ice dancers yet they get away with it.
 
the ! means that a requirement wasn't respected. So perhaps there are two different issues.

Regarding the lift in GP de France, I think it was first called level 3 but perhaps changed later on ? I'd have to look at the stream. The reality though is that Guillaume is not as good as a lifting partner as some of the top ice dancers yet they get away with it.
The reality is that Guillaume is radically against unnecessary acrobatic exercises that disrupt the flow of the choreography.
 
The reality is that Guillaume is radically against unnecessary acrobatic exercises that disrupt the flow of the choreography.
Yeah well, Adam was against not being able to do a backflip. He got penalties for it every time he included it until the rules changed. So Guillaume can either accept the ! or he can do like others and abide by the rulebook. You cannot have it both ways as an athlete.
 
Yeah well, Adam was against not being able to do a backflip. He got penalties for it every time he included it until the rules changed. So Guillaume can either accept the ! or he can do like others and abide by the rulebook. You cannot have it both ways as an athlete.
I was making an argument about Guillaume being a weak lifting partner, not about the choreo step.
 
So, what we’ve learned from this event is that technical and judging panels in ISU competitions are as corrupt as ever and figure skating needs a pro circuit again, so that skaters who retire after winning Olympic medals can still compete, have artistic freedom and creativity without nonsensical technical rules, and earn prize money.
 
I was making an argument about Guillaume being a weak lifting partner, not about the choreo step.
Ok. So my reply would be similar. His choice to not have acrobatic lifts. And I would add that he is lucky that they are often not penalized for easier lifts compared to other teams.

Also, acrobatics in lifts doesn't always mean interrupting the flow. For instance, the Georgians had an amazing lift today that was acrobatic yet flew by from one end of the ice to the other.

Finally, if Guillaume likes flow, he better rethink the two curve lifts. They are simple, not very pleasing to the eye and the transition from the first lift to the second is rough
 
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