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I see Ladies SP will be a marathon

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Of course, no need for the long example but I know you are attached to Cyprus skaters, no idea why though![]()
But there are tons of examples where it's fine... even in bigger feds, to have junior eligible skates have a period where they do both. The overlap is designed that way so strong juniors can also experience senior events.
There are tons of examples, like Adam Hagara too. The point I am making has nothing to do with crossing over until the senior career is secured. Jacob Sanchez even won a challenger but truly, he is not competitive in his own country yet to be selected for senior championships, so I will be pleased to see him at JWC. Really, the only team I have seen milking the system, earning top prize money which means less funding for junior teams, and blocking access to a senior transition (junior world medallists may get a GP invite) to other teams have been mentioned ad nauseam in this thread. So, at some point, there will be an ISU rule (or not) to prevent that and it will have a name...like other specific rules that went against milking the system.
It's too bad that the ISU makes rules and doesn't have the vision to eliminate the gray areas first.
I see Ladies SP will be a marathon![]()
Actually...I plan to be in person both in Tallinn and in Prague. Plus one synchro event in between.Are you planning to go to either Junior or Senior Worlds?
I hope you get to Senior Worlds at least, now that we know Piper and Paul will be there.
CaroLiza_fan
Actually...I plan to be in person both in Tallinn and in Prague. Plus one synchro event in between.
Prague was planned last year, with small hope P² will come. Tallinn is for my standards very last minute, but I haven't seen all juniors I wanted this season yet and it's fairly close, so I've decided to not let my doubts win (even if I make just few crowns).

Yes but for some smaller nations, this rule is seen as a problem as they only have one skater with minimums for both. Should they be denied ? That would mean a loss of spots for JGP and following worlds. I am okay with someone like Adam Hagara doing double duties as he is a strong junior developing into seniors, but he is not an established senior skater yet.Even a rule as simple as, you can only enter the World Championships in one age category: junior or senior, would have prevented the controversy.
Some countries have rules I approve of for the reasons stated. I love it that Japan lets talented Novices skate in Jr nats and talented Jrs skate at Senior nats. Sure Mao cant go to the last olys or international SR. comps, but the experience of skating at Sr. Nats is great for them. Now, she is ready for the next season. I just worry about her as she takes this sport all too seriously in a mental way. Sports should be fun for kids...and as Norway has proven, it can be fun and great mentally and physically and emotionally.Of course, no need for the long example but I know you are attached to Cyprus skaters, no idea why though
But there are tons of examples where it's fine... even in bigger feds, to have junior eligible skates have a period where they do both. The overlap is designed that way so strong juniors can also experience senior events.
We have a team in Canada right now, very promising, they did 4CC... It was tough for them but a very good experience. They will be at Junior worlds. But all season, they skated on the JGP circuit. They are in a development phase.
There are tons of examples, like Adam Hagara too. The point I am making has nothing to do with crossing over until the senior career is secured. Jacob Sanchez even won a challenger but truly, he is not competitive in his own country yet to be selected for senior championships, so I will be pleased to see him at JWC. Really, the only team I have seen milking the system, earning top prize money which means less funding for junior teams, and blocking access to a senior transition (junior world medallists may get a GP invite) to other teams have been mentioned ad nauseam in this thread. So, at some point, there will be an ISU rule (or not) to prevent that and it will have a name...like other specific rules that went against milking the system.
IIt's too bac that the ISU makes rules and doesn't have the vision to eliminate the gray areas first.
The same for me. I have no problem with Adam either. He's the only up and coming skater from Slovakia, they have no other to represent the country. I am just happy for Slovakia they have someone with promise.Yes but for some smaller nations, this rule is seen as a problem as they only have one skater with minimums for both. Should they be denied ? That would mean a loss of spots for JGP and following worlds. I am okay with someone like Adam Hagara doing double duties as he is a strong junior developing into seniors, but he is not an established senior skater yet.
I think that's my issue : what is an established senior skater. That's where I draw the line.
I watched 53 lady skaters at Worlds 2009 LA, Including Yuna Kim, Mao Asada, Miki Ando, Fumie Suguri, Alissa Czisny, Caro Kostner, etcI see Ladies SP will be a marathon![]()
With regards the Lengyelová sisters, I wouldn't be quite so sure that it is set in stone yet that Alica is the one that is going to Tallinn.
Yes, Alica won a Junior GP. But, with Slovak Junior Nationals not being held until the week AFTER Junior Worlds (), the Slovak Fed has been doing like the Lithuanian Fed did with their Senior girls, and has sent both sisters to a series of competitions for head-to-heads over the past few months. And Olivia has beaten Alica in all of them.
No doubt about it, Alica had the upper hand in the early part of the season. But since then, Olivia has eclipsed her.
With this in mind, I was surprised when the entries for Junior Worlds came out and Alica had the slot while Olivia was the alternate.
They are both in Tallinn this week for the Haabersti Cup (which is held at a different arena to where Junior Worlds are being held).
The Junior Ladies SP starts at 13:35:00 EET (11:35:00 GMT / 12:35:00 CET). So 6 hours from now.
Olivia will be the 2nd skater to start, while Alica will be the 24th skater to start.
It'll be interesting to see what happens.
CaroLiza_fan
I was not following this thread, but just have to react on your comments on the Slovak JWC nomination... There were nomination criteria set at the begining of season (as for every other Championships, JGP or 4 Nationals). To get to JWC you have to fulfill the ISU minimum by 1.2.2026 and meet the technical requirements 2A + 3 different triples, 1 L4 pirouette, rest L3 and at least L3 step sequence, if there are multiple athletes who meet the criteria it comes to 3 results from qualifying competitions, 1x JGP (if an athlete has been to multiple, better result counts), Sofia Trophy and Bavarian Open, Bavarian Open was later changed to Merano Ice Trophy as only the Lengyelova sisters were in running. In the end Alica won over Olivia by a nearly 30 points margin and after Merano Ice Trophy the nomination was not going to change unless there was an injury.Just to follow up my comment about the Lengyelová sisters.
As it turned out, Alica didn't compete at the Haabersti Cup. Olivia was 7th in the SP, 2nd in the FS, and 2nd overall.
For those that are wondering, Sofia NEKRASSOVA (EST) won both segments, and took the overall title by 7.19 points. Sofia is Estonia's first alternate for Junior Worlds.
It take it Alica's withdrawal means that the Slovak Fed are going ahead according to the original plan, and that she was being rested as preparation for Junior Worlds.
They really were caught between a rock and a hard place. Go with the younger sister that earlier this season had the biggest international result for Slovakia in years, but isn't in the same form now. Or go with the older sister who had a slow start to the season, but is the skater in form now.
It's a hard choice to make. And I'm not convinced they have made the right choice. But, we shall see.
Olivia has been sent to Junior Worlds for the past two seasons, but hasn't got through to the Free Skate. She also becomes Senior eligible next season. With her being the sister currently in better form, I'd have been inclined to give Olivia one final shot this season, and then give Alica preference from next season onwards.
Regardless of my opinion on the selection, I wish Alica all the best.
CaroLiza_fan
I was not following this thread, but just have to react on your comments on the Slovak JWC nomination... There were nomination criteria set at the begining of season (as for every other Championships, JGP or 4 Nationals). To get to JWC you have to fulfill the ISU minimum by 1.2.2026 and meet the technical requirements 2A + 3 different triples, 1 L4 pirouette, rest L3 and at least L3 step sequence, if there are multiple athletes who meet the criteria it comes to 3 results from qualifying competitions, 1x JGP (if an athlete has been to multiple, better result counts), Sofia Trophy and Bavarian Open, Bavarian Open was later changed to Merano Ice Trophy as only the Lengyelova sisters were in running. In the end Alica won over Olivia by a nearly 30 points margin and after Merano Ice Trophy the nomination was not going to change unless there was an injury.
Regarding Slovak Nationals, this is the final competition for skaters taking part in Slovak Cup competitions, the last qualifying one is this weekend, the Lengyelova sisters do not take part in those competitions, but are allowed to take part in the nationals as they are on the A team, they have to request this 3 weeks in advance though.


(cough) Lucas Vaclavik.The same for me. I have no problem with Adam either. He's the only up and coming skater from Slovakia, they have no other to represent the country. I am just happy for Slovakia they have someone with promise.
Lukas Vaclavik was in last season's JGP final? Qualified ahead of Adam Hagara, who I think was the first reserve.Sorry. I don't know Lucas Vaclavik. Never seen him skate.
Lukas is a wonderful skater, but a bit of a headcase. He will age out of juniors this year so if he is healthy, he has been struggling with ankle injury half of the season, the two places at Europeans will come in handy.Sorry. I don't know Lucas Vaclavik. Never seen him skate.
Vasilisa started the season on her own. But she then got injured shortly after making her Junior GP debut. I don't know what happened, but her foot was in a cast. And she has been out of action ever since.
Olivia isn't old enough yet, so they have had to bring the revelation of the Olympic Qualifying Event, Stefania Yakovleva, back into Juniors as a backup in case Vasilisa is not able to do Junior Worlds.
From what I know of Stefania, I am 100% sure she had no intention of going back to Juniors. Especially after such a strong debut Senior season. But, circumstances have arisen which mean that she may have to, so as to ensure Cyprus gets enough Junior GP slots to enable both Vasilisa and Olivia to compete in two Junior GP's next season.
Stefania is entered for the Bellu Memorial in Romania this week. If she does not turn up for the SP on Friday, that may be a strong indication that she will be in Estonia next week.