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Marjorie Lajoie and Zachary Lagha have ended their partnership

Do we know why they split? Did they feel they were 'going nowhere'? They were really great together. So many excellent teams are quitting, it's depressing!
Yep, it's bringing to mind the lyrics from the song in the Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire musical, Shall We Dance. The lyrics for Let's Call the Whole Thing Off, are commonly known. The song was written in 1937 for the film, by Ira & George Gershwin, and was recorded by Ella Fitzgerald.

Things have come to a pretty pass
Our romance is growing flat...
Goodness knows what the end will be...
It looks as if we two will never be one
Something must be done...

Let's call the whole thing off

😳
 
LaLa, noooo! This one is the hardest to take. Unfortunately, not unexpected.

It's sad that such a great duo is dissolving their partnership, although perhaps they should just change coaches. For me, this is another symptom that the domination and monopoly of IAM is a disservice to the sport. Once you're there, you have nowhere else to go, even if it's not working for you. I know there's way more to that split than this, probably some personal stuff, but had they been cared for and packaged according to their talent, their results and story perhaps would be different.
 
For me, this is another symptom that the domination and monopoly of IAM is a disservice to the sport. Once you're there, you have nowhere else to go, even if it's not working for you.
I agree. Training at an excellence pole has its advantages, of course, but if for whatever reason a team loses ground, they are stuck. If nobody is willing to give them a fresh perspective, I'm afraid that many skaters don't dare to express their needs and have also to worry that everyone else at the training base is trying to poach their partner.
 
LaLa, noooo! This one is the hardest to take. Unfortunately, not unexpected.

It's sad that such a great duo is dissolving their partnership, although perhaps they should just change coaches. For me, this is another symptom that the domination and monopoly of IAM is a disservice to the sport. Once you're there, you have nowhere else to go, even if it's not working for you. I know there's way more to that split than this, probably some personal stuff, but had they been cared for and packaged according to their talent, their results and story perhaps would be different.
I would disagree that IAM intentionally 'dominates and monopolizes the sport.' IAM can be said to have ended up creating an imbalance with so many top teams at IAM regularly making podiums. But, there are other competitive ice dance centers in Europe, the U.S., etc. In addition, I don't think the founders of IAM purposely or intentionally have desired to 'dominate and monopolize' the sport. I think their goal and mission has been to help athletes fulfill their passion and promise to become the best they can be.

IAM has had tremendous success in their approach to coaching ice dance, which is why so many teams want to go there. Once teams get there, most of them seemingly desire to stay. But, it's not as if some teams haven't left to go to other training camps. Some have, despite leaving not being typical. In any case, skaters being coached at IAM have free will. They aren't required to stay.
 
I agree. Training at an excellence pole has its advantages, of course, but if for whatever reason a team loses ground, they are stuck. If nobody is willing to give them a fresh perspective, I'm afraid that many skaters don't dare to express their needs and have also to worry that everyone else at the training base is trying to poach their partner.
It would be nice to hear what the skaters who are at IAM Montreal actually think about their personal experiences there. It certainly helped Lauriault/ Le Gac to gain a renewed perspective when they moved to the IAM branch in Ontario to work with a different set of coaches. Soucisse/ Firus also seemed to be comfortable with their choice to switch to Carol Lane some years back.
 
I would disagree that IAM intentionally 'dominates and monopolizes the sport.' IAM can be said to have ended up creating an imbalance with so many top teams at IAM regularly making podiums. But, there are other competitive ice dance centers in Europe, the U.S., etc. In addition, I don't think the founders of IAM purposely or intentionally have desired to 'dominate and monopolize' the sport. I think their goal and mission has been to help athletes fulfill their passion and promise to become the best they can be.

IAM has had tremendous success in their approach to coaching ice dance, which is why so many teams want to go there. Once teams get there, most of them seemingly desire to stay. But, it's not as if some teams haven't left to go to other training camps. Some have, despite leaving not being typical. In any case, skaters being coached at IAM have free will. They aren't required to stay.
I'm not saying that it was intentional, sophisticated IAM's plan but it went this way. I also don't think is IAM's responsibility to do sth about it, it's good for them, they are very successfull. Yet there are organizations responsible for the direction and development of ice dance as the sport that should act to neutralize cumulation of power. It's not a secret that with having so many teams from different federations they also have officials and judges, those people come to the rink, get along with each other, stay in the same hotel, eat meals together and the entire "networking" is happening there.
As for skaters having free will - yes they do, but do they really have options? They see what's going on, I truly don't think they can leave this zone of influence with an hopeful, optimistic vision. And I can't think of a success story with such a plot.
 
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What?! This is completely unexpected, and hard to imagine why. They were clearly poised to take over the top Canadian spot and do quite well going forward. I admit I was never a huge LaLa fan, but there's no denying they were a valuable part of ice dance, and the sport will be worse off without them.
Yeah. When you said this, that's when it really hit me. Opportunities for winning top medals have opened up after years of waiting your turn behind veteran teams. Yet suddenly, you're done together!? 😬

Shades of the familiar Gershwin song, 'Let's Call the Whole Thing Off,' from the Astaire/ Rogers musical film, Shall We Dance:
Things have come to a pretty pass...
It looks as if we two will never be one
Something must be done...

Let's call the whole thing off
 
there are organizations responsible for the direction and development of ice dance as the sport that should act to neutralize cumulation of power.
This is figure skating, though. Tons of issues need addressing, but there's no strong, visionary, courageous or responsible leadership in this sport. It is a sport largely run economically and administratively by a completely different sport. Many fans shrug about this reality as if it doesn't significantly and detrimentally impact the overall health of figure skating in many ways.

Nothing is going to change unless and until skaters, coaches, and fans rise up together with one voice to demand beneficial change for the sport of figure skating.

An issue such as you describe re IAM seemingly dominating the ice dance discipline is not something that can be easily changed in any case. IAM has a right to operate an academy with a unique approach to coaching ice dance in ways that have succeeded beyond the founders' wildest dreams.

If other coaches and training centers see IAM as a serious problem, then they all have a right to say something about it and to offer solutions to remedying what has been seen to be an imbalance. However, the main solution, IMO, is for other camps to offer strong alternatives. Then, the market [i.e., supply and demand] eventually self-corrects. In pairs, Dmitry Savin has had a great deal of success and many skaters and federations ask him for consultation advice. Nina Mozer was once hugely popular as a pairs coach and adviser. She still, apparently, offers assistance in the U.S. Bruno Marcotte used to have significant reputational popularity as a good technical coach. Julie Marcotte used to be prized as a creative pairs choreographer. She has since moved on to coaching with a reduced choreo roster. She's not as popular as she once was with pairs teams looking for a choreographer. The current trend seemingly is to secure choreographers who are former ice dancers. And alas, we come back full circle to IAM Montreal, where a number of pairs teams have received wonderful, stand-out choreo.

IAM Ontario staff are also known to be excellent choreographers, coaches and overall astute 'packagers' of ice dance teams in need of help. They have also done stand-out choreo for pairs teams...

Why aggressively break up and kneecap a training center that has benefited the growth and popularity of ice dance, due to jealousy of their success? Everything eventually shifts anyway. We should all be careful what we wish would happen to others.

As for skaters having free will - yes they do, but do they really have options? They see what's going on, I truly don't think they can leave this zone of influence with an hopeful, optimistic vision. And I can't think of a success story with such a plot.
In figure skating, skaters historically have not had say or huge control over their decisionmaking and career trajectories. They have been taught to accept their fate, e.g., not to question judging outcomes, etc. Skaters do need to be able to have access to making their own career choices and to having more and better competitive opportunities. Alysa Liu, Ashley Wagner, Adam Rippon, Amber Glenn, and ultimately even Mirai Nagasu (to name a few skaters), changed their career trajectories by taking charge when they faced challenges from federation, parents, and/ or incompatible coaching situations, etc.

Lauriault/ Le Gac have been successful via moving to the Ontario branch of IAM. Soucisse/ Firus had to make a choice when they were at IAM Montreal, because they had reached a career plateau. Thus, it was a good thing for them when they moved to Carol Lane, and then went through the difficult process of switching from Canada to rep Ireland. After the long fight to switch countries, they were able to extend their ice dance career. Sometimes, a coaching center may not be a good fit or may no longer serve a team's situation (whether it's IAM or any other center). Plus, IAM does not accept every team that desires to be trained there.
 
Lauriault/ Le Gac have been successful via moving to the Ontario branch of IAM. Soucisse/ Firus had to make a choice when they were at IAM Montreal, because they had reached a career plateau. Thus, it was a good thing for them when they moved to Carol Lane, and then went through the difficult process of switching from Canada to rep Ireland. After the long fight to switch countries, they were able to extend their ice dance career. Sometimes, a coaching center may not be a good fit or may no longer serve a team's situation (whether it's IAM or any other center). Plus, IAM does not accept every team that desires to be trained there.
L/LG are still under IAM umbrella and even though they moved to Ontario, Montreal's team is still listed as their coaches.
I would not name SF as a success story at all, their results dropped ever more after coaching change.
 
I wouldn't say Lajoie/ Lagha were 'tossed aside' by judges. It has been discussed here in varous threads that LaLa suffered in the scoring in recent years due to choosing less than flattering material. In recent years, they've had problems with uninspired music choices, recycling old programs, and playing it too safe. Obviously, they have also suffered from injury, lost training time, and resultant loss of momentum.

These pressing challenges were not insurmountable with better advice and revamped packaging, plus a fresh outlook. Their technical skills and talent are clearly top-notch. Yet, by their own admission, re the split announcement, they could not find a mutual meeting of minds and goals going forward.
 
I'm so saddened and shocked by this news. :( Like others have said, I really thought that they were poised for a breakthrough season next year, to finally realize their potential, after a few less-than-ideal years. They are so talented, and the golden waltz would have been an excellent dance for them. Ugh. I was already taken aback by Kelly-Ann and Loucas' break-up, but this one really blew me away. Hopefully something positive will come out of all these break-ups, like some new, even better pairings. Fingers crossed!
 
L/LG are still under IAM umbrella and even though they moved to Ontario, Montreal's team is still listed as their coaches.
I would not name SF as a success story at all, their results dropped ever more after coaching change.
Obviously Ontario is a branch of IAM. Whether or not Montreal coaches are still listed as L/LG's main coaches, the switch to the Ontario coaching team, succeeded in providing them with new ideas and a fresh perspective. They have said as much in interviews. Thus, L/LG did not stay put in Montreal and stagnantly succumb to going through the motions. They shook things up, likely with input from their main coaches.

As I mentioned, Soucisse/Firus had clearly reached a career crossroads. IAM Montreal was no longer a good fit for them, per obvious competitive results evidence. They took action to try and extend their career, which they were successful in doing. The fact that their later competitive results were overall not as good as they had hoped, is what it is. They achieved some bright spots with medals at smaller competitions and some good showings to the best of their abilities. Obviously, they desired better scores on a number of occasions, but it was unsurprisingly, not to be. At least, they made creative choices, and eked out additional competitive years and opportinities which they were not going to have had they tried to stay at IAM while repping Canada.
 
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