Kim's representatives end Orser's coaching relationship threads merged

[chloepoco]

SkatingAnalyst

But she often is better than my imagination is. I know, that most of the people would never believe it, so it's OK not to believe me. But she is really that good as a person in my opinion and, maybe that's why many fans of her are unbiased or less biased than other fans. A lot of fans of Yuna are as well fans of other skaters, like Mao Asada and some even prefer Mao or other skater, but they don't have any problems with other fans of Yuna. Just some hours ago some fan of Yuna wrote an incredibly extensive and protective text about Brian Orser on Yuna forum, and a lot of people agreed about being too biased to him lately (although I don't think they were biased in the first place).
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I don't think I agree with this sentence......on the contrary, I find Yuna fans some of the most biased....

other than that, beautiful post.

 

[MrBerkeley]

I don't think I agree with this sentence......on the contrary, I find Yuna fans some of the most biased....

other than that, beautiful post.

Lol I agree with you.

Think you have to split the fan base into 2 sub groups.
The true figure skating fans that love Yuna.
The "nationalistic" fans that love Yuna but not really skating.

Second group is aggressive.

 

[MrBerkeley]

No, Yuna's mama is totally in charge of her life. What mama says goes.

:disapp: Way to stir the pot.

 

[Daniel5555]

Thank you.

SkatingAnalyst

I fotgot to tell you...if it's not Yuna...I like Mao best in artistic style.

Sure. Mao is really awesome skater and a great artist.

chloepoco

I don't think I agree with this sentence......on the contrary, I find Yuna fans some of the most biased....

Oh, I should have cleared this. I referred to the fans I know and with whom I talk usually. I'm aware that there are really biased fans too and they damage Yuna's image in some cases. But this different groups usually are separate from each other.

 

[janetfan]

I have been pleasantly surprised that so many Mao fans have shown restraint and even respect during this tough episode in Yuna's life. Hardly a negative word has been spoken about Yuna's skating, and Olympics/Worlds.

Other than a few objections about linking Mao herself to this story I would say Mao Asada fans have shown class. Mucho. :thumbsup:
It also seems there are many skating fans at GS who are fans of both Yuna and Mao.

I am one of them and also like Laura, Joannie, Kanako, Alissa, Caroline, Kiira, Miki, Ashley, Min Jung, Akiko, Carolina, Cynthia, Chelsea, Amanda, and my favorite for last, Mirai.

 

[Mathman]

I have been pleasantly surprised that so many Mao fans have shown restraint and even respect during this tough episode in Yuna's life. Hardly a negative word has been spoken about Yuna's skating, and Olympics/Worlds.

What Janetfan said.

 

[Tonichelle]

Well? being flattered? he might have entertatined the possibility of coaching her. My post is for the possibility.

flattered that Mao Asada was going to dump Tarasova (who was a legend even when Brian was competing) and come to him? Heck yeah I'd be flattered too, no matter who it was!

Speaking of conspiracy theories, has anyone considered the possibility that Yu-na, Brian and Mrs. Park cooked up this charade among themselves, just to keep all of their names in the spotlight and to stir up interest for Yu-na's coming show?

that did cross my mind a couple of days ago... but at this point I wouldn't want to be them and reveal that plot I think it'd backfire immensely!

 

[R.D.]

.....on the contrary, I find Yuna fans some of the most biased....

Can't disagree here. How many "newcomers" in both this thread and the one on FSU came out of the woodwork just to put in their 2 cents in? And mostly going in on Orser, too. Fanboys...(or the lesser term more frequently used- "bots")

Always weary when a person is perceived in such a high manner, put on such a tall pedestal. It almost makes me wish to look for faults in said person just to prove these fanboys wrong. But I don't need to do that- eventually, true colors will be shown and these people will defend her to the hilt anyway. she just CANNOT DO WRONG NO MATTER WHAT in these folks' eyes. The perfect person is a fantasy...and in the case of many people who idolize a celebrity, that fantasy is projected onto him/her...and should the fan ever meet his/her idol, reality comes crashing down...

 

[Mathman]

Always weary when a person is perceived in such a high manner, put on such a tall pedestal. It almost makes me wish to look for faults in said person just to prove these fanboys wrong. But I don't need to do that- eventually, true colors will be shown and these people will defend her to the hilt anyway. she just CANNOT DO WRONG NO MATTER WHAT in these folks' eyes. The perfect person is a fantasy...and as to many people who idolize a celebrity, that fantasy is projected onto him/her...and should the fan ever meet his/her idol, reality comes crashing in...

Well, it is certainly true that Yu-na has been perceived publicly as a supernaturally perfect person living a supernaturally perfect life. This incident shows that she has problems just like everyone else. Maybe this will make people like her even more.

I think it worked out that way for Michelle Kwan. When she didn't always achieve what she most hoped for, people liked her all the more for showing graciousness and class even in adversity.

 

[Tonichelle]

Can't disagree here. How many "newcomers" in both this thread and the one on FSU came out of the woodwork just to put in their 2 cents in? And mostly going in on Orser, too. Fanboys...(or the lesser term more frequently used- "bots")

Always weary when a person is perceived in such a high manner, put on such a tall pedestal. It almost makes me wish to look for faults in said person just to prove these fanboys wrong. But I don't need to do that- eventually, true colors will be shown and these people will defend her to the hilt anyway. she just CANNOT DO WRONG NO MATTER WHAT in these folks' eyes. The perfect person is a fantasy...and in the case of many people who idolize a celebrity, that fantasy is projected onto him/her...and should the fan ever meet his/her idol, reality comes crashing down...

I was that fangirl when I was in my teens - trust me Mathman and some of the others can attest to my zaniness. I can only hope with maturity and better understanding of the sport - should they stay with it long after their favorite moves on - that they start looking at their favorites as I do. I've tried very hard in later years to find the faults as well as the best parts of the person's skating, and I try not to get so invested with the personal life (it's just that, PERSONAL).

Doesn't mean I don't get disappointed when something pops up and turns into a stupid soap opera (I like both Yuna and Brian, and really think, of all involved, they aren't the ones calling the shots...)

 

[R.D.]

I agree- as long as you stay grounded, it's ok to like whomever. It's those times when your feet come off the ground that the danger lurks.

As for Kwan, yes, she is another one of those who is believed to be that perfect angel. No she isn't, she's just the walking PC/PR dictionary. I keep finding myself waiting for her to crack (like Yuna did a few days ago) just so some of these kwaniacs will get it...oh well, I digress.

 

[skatinginbc]

skatinginbc

OK, let's go on.
p = "Skatingbc knows nothing about logic", q = "Daniel5555 knows nothing either".
p→q = ¬p v q. p is obviously true, because you don't know anything about logic judging by your posts regarding Yuna-Brian situation. q must be false, because I know logic, I have approved the necessary exams on it.
Then we have ¬1 v 0 = 0 v 0 = 0.
The statement is incorrect. You failed.

By saying "Given that I know p→q is true if p is false", I show some (regardless of the amount I demonstrated) of my knowledge about logic. To negate the premise "Skatingbc knows NOTHING about logic" needs only one opposing incident. It is like in order to negate "None of the trees are green", you only have to show "One of the trees is green".

Daniel5555, you probably did not realize when p is false, no matter q is true or false, the whole statement will still be logically true. I was being nice and did not make the "q" part as insulting as could.

When you said p is "obviously true", it gave me an impression that you were monopolising the truth, instead of talking with logic. Poor thing, Daniel, poor poor thing.

 

[Mathman]

^ I do not see the merit of this post.

 

[skatinginbc]

^ I do not see the merit of this post.

I got your point. But I would like to take the chance to ask you a question since you are a Mathman, who must know logic well: Do you think the following statement (quoted from AT Sports with regard to Brian's revealing her LP music) is logically true or not: "This can ONLY be construed as a move intended to hurt the skater'

 

[Basics]

I don't think I agree with this sentence......on the contrary, I find Yuna fans some of the most biased....

I don't want to hear this from you. You know what's going on in Japanese fan forums.

and yes, I'm a nationalistic fan who love Yuna but ALSO skating. If not, I shouldn't waste my time watching the whole grand prix series live including men's. lol

 

[chloepoco]

I don't want to hear this from you. You know what's going on in Japanese fan forums.

I have no idea what's going on in Japanese fan forums as I don't read Japanese fan forums.

 

[colleen o'neill]

I haven't picked this scab in hours..( normally I've been unable to keep from looking at these threads for ..well far too often , anyway) But if I can be permitted to but in..

Your example sentence holds together logically only if you accept the viewpoint and honesty of, and the supporting set of facts proposed by the person / people who made it. To ask if a single sentence is logically "true" is a fairly strange concept. At any rate ,just because it's possible to make a logical case for something , doesn't necessarily make it true , it may just be cleverly rationalized..

 

[MrBerkeley]

I haven't picked this scab in hours..( normally I've been unable to keep from looking at these threads for ..well far too often , anyway) But if I can be permitted to but in..

Your example sentence holds together logically only if you accept the viewpoint and honesty of, and the supporting set of facts proposed by the person / people who made it. To ask if a single sentence is logically "true" is a fairly strange concept. At any rate ,just because it's possible to make a logical case for something , doesn't necessarily make it true , it may just be cleverly rationalized..

LOL WHAT. We're discussing math and logic? We already did the whole national happiness rankings. What's next.

 

[kyla2]

Disappointing

I don't agree that fans loved Michelle more after her break with Frank. It was very shocking to see him let go after his years with her. It left us with a sense of, yes, disappointment in Michelle. Of course we were still fans, but there it was. It wasn't the same and it wasn't better.

With Yu Na, I have no sense of disappointment or surprise. I find it totally in character. Her situation is a dichotomy: her career is managed by her mother, and yet she is in perfect control.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Can't disagree here. How many "newcomers" in both this thread and the one on FSU came out of the woodwork just to put in their 2 cents in? And mostly going in on Orser, too. Fanboys...(or the lesser term more frequently used- "bots")

Always weary when a person is perceived in such a high manner, put on such a tall pedestal. It almost makes me wish to look for faults in said person just to prove these fanboys wrong. But I don't need to do that- eventually, true colors will be shown and these people will defend her to the hilt anyway. she just CANNOT DO WRONG NO MATTER WHAT in these folks' eyes. The perfect person is a fantasy...and in the case of many people who idolize a celebrity, that fantasy is projected onto him/her...and should the fan ever meet his/her idol, reality comes crashing down...

Deleted as this is beyond stupid . Traffic was just a bit slow.