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[Mathman]

Actually, I think I can work up some sympathy for and understanding of the position of Mrs. Park and All That Sports.

Yu-na was treated somewht shabbily by both of her previous management companies. They took her money and did not do much to promote her career. I can see why the people closest to Yu-na might think, what do we need these Bozos for? Let's do our own thing and keep the money in the family.

It will be interesting to see whether the Los Angeles show will be successful. Frankly, the average person in the United States has never heard of Yu-na Kim OR Brian Orser. U.S. ice shows in the U.S. nowadays struggle to sell a quarter of the seats. Maybe yesterday's news Michelle Kwan still has some drawing power, maybe not.

In Korea, Yu-na Kim was so hot there for a while that she just has to cool down no matter what her management company does, good or bad.

Anyway, I can't blame the Kim-Park family from trying their best to make hay while the sun shines. Good on 'em.

 

[janetfan]

Yu-na was treated somewht shabbily by both of her previous management companies. They took her money and did not do much to promote her career. I can see why the people closest to Yu-na might think, what do we need these Bozos for? Let's do our own thing and keep the money in the family.

I am not sure if that is an accurate staement. Yuna left IMG on bad terms and IB was hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread when Yuna joined them. They were praised for making so much money for Yuna.
Then, just like with Brian we heard from the Kim camp that IB is bad. They don't work for Yuna. Or they are bad and they overwork Yuna.

When Ms Park decided to start her own agency IB was trashed by the kim camp and by Yuna fans.
Just like Brian - once the world's greatest coach is no longer anything special.

There is a recurring theme here. Whenever Ms Park makes a change it is because the other party is bad. Why are the changes in management full of such bad feelings, including lawsuits and the recent threat to sue Brian?


A coincidence - I don't think so.

 

[hurrah]

Anyway, I can't blame the Kim-Park family from trying their best to make hay while the sun shines. Good on 'em.

Mathman, I'm with you.

Yuna sure ain't a classy lady, and neither is she a poor innocent girl in need of protection. Actually, she's something far more interesting than that. She's one tough broad, the toughest they come.

You gotta respect that, and respect the mother who bore and raised her that way.

 

[Basics]

I am not sure if that is an accurate staement. Yuna left IMG on bad terms and IB was hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread when Yuna joined them. They were praised for making so much money for Yuna.
Then, just like with Brian we heard from the Kim camp that IB is bad. They don't work for Yuna. Or they are bad and they overwork Yuna.

When Ms Park decided to start her own agency IB was trashed by the kim camp and by Yuna fans.
Just like Brian - once the world's greatest coach is no longer anything special.

There is a recurring theme here. Whenever Ms Park makes a change it is because the other party is bad. Why are the changes in management full of such bad feelings, including lawsuits and the recent threat to sue Brian?


A coincidence - I don't think so.

You are obviously very one-sided. Never heard of things you said. Kim's camp trashing IB sports? source? I only read the articles in which Mrs. Park thanked them for their work.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

I am not sure if that is an accurate staement. Yuna left IMG on bad terms and IB was hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread when Yuna joined them. They were praised for making so much money for Yuna.
Then, just like with Brian we heard from the Kim camp that IB is bad. They don't work for Yuna. Or they are bad and they overwork Yuna.

When Ms Park decided to start her own agency IB was trashed by the kim camp and by Yuna fans.
Just like Brian - once the world's greatest coach is no longer anything special.

There is a recurring theme here. Whenever Ms Park makes a change it is because the other party is bad. Why are the changes in management full of such bad feelings, including lawsuits and the recent threat to sue Brian?


A coincidence - I don't think so.

I don't disagree with you 100%. but...

Isn't everybody acting or behaving the business for the best interest of his own?

Yuna, Orser, myself and of course...you conduct your own business for the best of yourself including janetfan...am I wrong?
Even if...Assuming your statement is 100% correct...I don't see anything wrong.

 

[janetfan]

I don't disagree with you 100%. but...

Isn't everybody acting or behaving the business for the best interest of his own?

Yuna, Orser, myself and of course...you conduct your own business for the best of yourself including janetfan...am I wrong?
Even if...Assuming your statement is 100% correct...I don't see anything wrong.

and I agree with you and my point wasn't that Yuna can't fire agencies and coaches whenever she wants to.
I do see a series of unpleasant splits with lawsuits either executed or threatened each time.
I also did not say ATS/Ms Park was at fault in each case but they were part of it.

Maybe I am suggesting "play nice" for a change. Yuna is too big for such behavior to continue without a backlash or loss of sympathy, not to mention losing sponsors.

 

[Tonichelle]

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[Daniel5555]

Tonichelle
Hm... I would classify this as "objective characterization", but I'll do what you want. Unfortunately, your guidelines are not prohibiting the facts distortion, so what I'm supposed to do?

janetfan
We're still waiting for the source. Nice to accuse Yuna of groundless insults and later doing the same. How mature of janetfan...

 

[Daniel5555]

Here is one of the articles about the split with IB Sports: http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=070000&biid=2010042703328
So where is Yuna trashing IB Sports?
I think, my "lovely friend" has to clear some things up for himself.

 

[sunny0760]

Mathman, I'm with you.

Yuna sure ain't a classy lady, and neither is she a poor innocent girl in need of protection. Actually, she's something far more interesting than that. She's one tough broad, the toughest they come.

You gotta respect that, and respect the mother who bore and raised her that way.

Interesting... I almost agree with yout statement except the 'Yuna sure ain't a classy lady' because I don't know how you know it well enough to say so.
Interesting because of YOU, for I have not seen you say any single positive word about her personality/behavior but you find her nature far interesting.

Ya, for me, she does not seem to be just another lovely girl you want to protect. She is being criticized in Korea mainly for the way she wrote in Twitter.
I don't like the overly emotional tone either but I KNOW she is more than that. A complicated person with generosity in her heart. Hope she can learn from this experience.

If your last sentence is not meant to be sarcastic, I agree. Ms Park is charismatic in her own way and she and her daughter are very independant persons. I think Yuna's charity so far is based on the two people's agreement than any others'.

 

[janetfan]

It is true the Kim camp issued a thankyou to IB Sports.
But are you seriously suggesting that was it with the Yuna/IB split?

Did I imagine the charges of corporate raiding, and the talk of legal action over ATS hiring practices?

I hardly call that a peaceful split and I think there were not the best of feelings when Yuna left IB.
Afterall companies with friendly relations don't typically threaten legal action which is very costly.

Now I don't think I ever claimed Ms Park was personally responsible for all of the fights, lawsuits, etc that have followed Yuna's changing in management or coaches. But the record does show the last two coaching splits were full of bitterness as were the agency changes.

If that is one sided- well sorry but that is how it feels. It doesn't mean Yuna herself is responsible or that Ms park was wrong or is a bad person. But I think this ongoing history of bad splits feels like more than a coiincidence.

 

[bekalc]

Yuna sure ain't a classy lady, and neither is she a poor innocent girl in need of protection. Actually, she's something far more interesting than that. She's one tough broad, the toughest they come.

I imagine that in order to have made it this far, Yu-na and her mother needed to be tough people. I.e they came from a country that had no figure skating background. There was frankly no obvious answers for them like send your child to Frank and he'll know exactly what to do. I imagine in order to make it as far as they did, there had to have been element of ruthlessness, she made a lot of coaching changes as a child if I can recall from her bio. I can imagine it was quite a scenario of yes coach has done a good job with this, but my daughter now needs this.

When this has been your experience, I imagine there comes a feeling of no real loyalty to any one. If there ever came in Mama's head the feeling that Brian wasn't giving her daughter exactly what Mama thought her daughter needed, well there would be no hesitation on Mama's part to fire, just like she fired every other coach. I remember Brian seemed to suggest in Canada that maybe they wanted a coach who would push Yu-na more. That perhaps him not pushing Yu-na to train this summer, rubbed her the wrong way. And if Brian won't give Yu-na that kind of attention and now has other students like Gao to also work with, Mama Kim will find a coach who does.

In fairness to Yu-na, I must say that considering how far her mother has gotten her, I can actually understand why she'd want to listen to her mom's instincts. Because I really don't think it can be argued that Mrs. Park doesn't have good instincts or doesn't have an understanding of what her daughter needs (at least in terms of getting the best out of her kid's skating). She may actually be right that Yu-na has to have a coach right now that is going to motivate her.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

Thanks for the link Daniel.

But are you seriously suggesting that was it with the Yuna/IB split?

Did I imagine the charges of corporate raiding, and the talk of legal action over ATS hiring practices?

I hardly call that a peaceful split and I think there were not the best of feelings when Yuna left IB.
Afterall companies with friendly relations don't typically threaten legal action which is very costly.

Now I don't think I ever claimed Ms Park was personally responsible for all of the fights, lawsuits, etc that have followed Yuna's changing in management or coaches. But the record does show the last two coaching splits were full of bitterness as were the agency changes.

If that is one sidesd- well sorry but that is how it feels. It doesn't mean Yuna herself is responsible or that Ms park was wrong or is a bad person. I think this ongoing history of bad splits feels like more than a coiincidence.

IB sports had no problems with Yuna whatsoever...
IBS was mad...thinking...it is Mr. Koo one of their employee... who made Yuna not to renew the contract.
So...IBS threatened Koo to sue him if he gets involved with new company...ALL THAT SPORTS.

 

[R.D.]

It will be interesting to see whether the Los Angeles show will be successful. Frankly, the average person in the United States has never heard of Yu-na Kim OR Brian Orser. U.S. ice shows in the U.S. nowadays struggle to sell a quarter of the seats. Maybe yesterday's news Michelle Kwan still has some drawing power, maybe not.

In Korea, Yu-na Kim was so hot there for a while that she just has to cool down no matter what her management company does, good or bad.

Anyway, I can't blame the Kim-Park family from trying their best to make hay while the sun shines. Good on 'em.

SOI has a hard enough time at prices half of what ATS is trying to sell this show for. On top of that, we're in the middle of a recession. Then again, this show is taking place in LA, where there's no real shortage of people who have the money. Who knows.

I think the presence of Yuna will fill the seats with local Koreans, though.

I was wondering whether the show would be televised here but it just occurred to me that ATS would probably want far more money than any network would want to pay.

 

[R.D.]

I am not sure if that is an accurate staement. Yuna left IMG on bad terms and IB was hailed as the greatest thing since sliced bread when Yuna joined them. They were praised for making so much money for Yuna.
Then, just like with Brian we heard from the Kim camp that IB is bad. They don't work for Yuna. Or they are bad and they overwork Yuna.

When Ms Park decided to start her own agency IB was trashed by the kim camp and by Yuna fans.
Just like Brian - once the world's greatest coach is no longer anything special.

There is a recurring theme here. Whenever Ms Park makes a change it is because the other party is bad. Why are the changes in management full of such bad feelings, including lawsuits and the recent threat to sue Brian?


A coincidence - I don't think so.

You're onto something. I wonder if Orser was really looking out for his fellow community- issuing a warning to other coaches that you take on Yuna & co at your own risk

If so, it's a wonder that relations between them degraded so much. Maybe they can get away with it in Korea (maybe not- I don't know), but internationally...especially in North America, you're going to burn bridges if you're not careful.

If Yuna's people truly don't have Yuna's best interest at heart, I think I know who I feel sorry for. They're making HER look bad and if she does not make changes soon, it can, and will, start to hurt her image.

 

[Daniel5555]

janetfan
The legal action could be taken against Mr Gu or Mr Ko whatever you call him, but not against ATS. Officialy IB Sports didn't say anything against ATS. Same with ATS about IBS.

I hardly call that a peaceful split and I think there were not the best of feelings when Yuna left IB.

Well, of course the feelings are not the best when your client leaves you. On the other hand, it's true that the work of IBS was far from perfect some times. But generally it was a good agency.

Now I don't think I ever claimed Ms Park was personally responsible for all of the fights, lawsuits, etc that have followed Yuna's changing in amagement or coaches. But the record does show the last two coaching splits were full of bitterness aswere the agency changes.

What you claimed was that this coaching split, and previous split with IBS was because of her personal financial/management ambition which was completely groundless. The split with IMG is a very different story, but I think it's clear who was the victim there. The split with another coach is way different thing than what we have now. Besides this previous coach admitted that she caused those problems, she wasn't with Yuna for more than several months, anyway.
The problem is that you represent your speculations as facts beautifully lined to support your theory. This is something you constantly do and I'm used to it, so don't think that I'm angry on you or something. But what bothers is that I can't believe you don't know about those facts, yet still you insist.

If that is one sides - well soryy but that is how it feels. It doesn't mean Yuna herself is responsible or that Ms park was wrong or is a bad person. I think this ongoing history of bad splits feels like more than a coiincidence.

It's not a coincidence. Everything has a cause. IMG wasn't interested in Yuna. IB Sports were nice, but small and lacking of enthusiasm. ATS is fresh and inexperienced. Brian - cause unknown.
As about you, say "sorry" to Yuna if you have a chance. I have a very defined opinion about you, that, most likely, won't change. I was sure that mods will react, but someone had to tell you.

bekalc

That perhaps him not pushing Yu-na to train this summer, rubbed her the wrong way. And if Brian won't give Yu-na that kind of attention and now has other students like Gao to also work with, Mama Kim will find a coach who does.

This is unrealistic.
Brian, if I recall correctly, asked for Yuna's and her mother's permission to train other students like Gao and Adam. He had them both during the Olympic season, and it was Yuna who just made him coach of Min Jung.

I think, what really happened is something between Yuna and Brian. Only with those two, without agencies and parents. What it was, I have no idea, but other students, money, agencies plotting something... Doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[janetfan]

IB sports had no problems with Yuna whatsoever...
IBS was mad...thinking...it is Mr. Koo one of their employee... who made Yuna not to renew the contract.
So...IBS threatened Koo to sue him if he gets involved with new company...ALL THAT SPORTS.

Yes, it was a little touchy and legal action was threatened. It did not present the best image for either company.
Personally, I would not have hired away one of IBS's executives because it opens the door to bad feelings. Collusion, conspiracy, breach of contract - but mostly for image. Why start a new agency by assuring your first headlines will be about explaining a lawsuit?

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

It is true the Kim camp issued a thankyou to IB Sports.
But are you seriously suggesting that was it with the Yuna/IB split?

Did I imagine the charges of corporate raiding, and the talk of legal action over ATS hiring practices?

I hardly call that a peaceful split and I think there were not the best of feelings when Yuna left IB.
Afterall companies with friendly relations don't typically threaten legal action which is very costly.

Now I don't think I ever claimed Ms Park was personally responsible for all of the fights, lawsuits, etc that have followed Yuna's changing in management or coaches. But the record does show the last two coaching splits were full of bitterness as were the agency changes.
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I'll tell you about this much...Ms Park... the previous coach just before Orser...was never in contention in any Grand Prixs or competitions.
She later apologied...publicly...for making wrongful interview.

 

[Daniel5555]

janetfan

Yes, it was a little touchy and legal action was threatened.

From IBS to Mr Gu, not to ATS or Yuna.

 

[bekalc]

You're onto something. I wonder if Orser was really looking out for his fellow community- issuing a warning to other coaches that you take on Yuna & co at your own risk

What risk? Look Brian may not like the way Mrs Park dumped him, but I don't think he's a victim here for having coached Yu-na. Please don't get me wrong, he was talented as a coach and would have been successful anyways. But he absolutely wouldn't be a top coach in four years time. It would have taken him longer, working with Yu-na put him on the map as a coach extremely fast. Whether working with Yu-na was a pleasant experience or not, his career has benefited from working with her, and will continue to benefit from working with her. Same goes I suspect for a lot of the other Korean coaches who can say they worked with Yu-na in the past.

In fact with Brian and the last coach, the coaches were upset because they lost their star student before they wanted to lose the student. And not because said student was impossible to work with. Maybe said star student will leave before the coach is ready, but as long as the coaches go into it with the understanding that this is how Mrs. Park plays, I think they will be okay. In the end at least Brian wasn't dumped a few months before the Olympics. (Poor Frank Carroll)

Same goes with IB Sports and IMG. Mama Kim may be hard to deal with but everyone made money with Yu-na and/or IMG realized they COULD have made money with Yu-na. They are all upset, Brian, former coaches, Agencies, because Mama Kim took away the goose that laid the golden egg.