Why should Laura have to learn anything? At the rate she's going, she could double ALL her jumps and still make the podium.
Sorry, but I am super unimpressed with Laura. She has a habit of doubling jumps and has done so at nearly every competition this season. She got away with it at Worlds because so many of the skaters were exhausted after a long, long season.
Cynthia's Spiral was only a level 2 in the long but a level 4 in the short. This cost her the Bronze cause it would have given her another 2 points in the long.
As stated, I agree that if for no other reason than her age, the jury is properly still out on Mirai.
With regard to Yuna, on the other hand, while I agree that she didn't go intending to win silver (and I'm pretty sure that's not what Nadia meant either), I do agree with her that winning in Torino meant significantly more to Mao and considerably less to Yuna; that's just common sense.
It's also true that the Worlds mean less than the Olys, as evidenced by the fact that Mao was not quite as happy, and Yuna not really as sad, as they might have been, particularly when contrasted with their reactions at the Olympics, when the situations were reversed.
I also believe that if it were up to Yuna alone, she would probably not have shown up (which would have made her no different from a great many OGMs in recent history, because, frankly, the season is longer than in Kristi's day), but needed to get places for Korea next year.
Having said all that, however, once Yuna put all those considerations aside and got on the plane for Turin, did she want to win? Of course she did. Did she get beat by Mao fair and square? No question. Was the Worlds a meaningful win for Mao? Yes it was. Did Mao deliver strong performances? Yes she did. But going from there to somehow imply that Yuna was as hungry to win (or anywhere near) as Mao was, or that the Worlds win was somehow equivalent to the OGM, as some posters have been trying to spin it, is drinking the Koolaid. I think what Nadia was trying to say was that Yuna didn't feel any burning need to further prove herself at this juncture vis-a-vis Mao or anyone else in the field, particularly at the post-Oly Worlds. As hard as this may be for some to hear, that's also a truth that Mao herself realizes and is desperate to reverse. Which is why Mao was very public about wanting to go head to head with Yuna in the future AND break her records.
If we're talking about historical legacy, a comparison with other all-time greats (eg Kristi) and how she stacks up, that would be an interesting debate to have, and I would not say that Yuna has nothing left to prove from that perspective, although I believe a case can be plausibly made for Yuna even at this point in her career (not only titles but record-setting, jumps, etc etc), but I'll end this here.
We don't know the real reason, but probably it's like that.I also believe that if it were up to Yuna alone, she would probably not have shown up (which would have made her no different from a great many OGMs in recent history, because, frankly, the season is longer than in Kristi's day), but needed to get places for Korea next year.
Well, as Yuna always states that she doesn't care too much about standings and her reaction always shows that, I think she just wanted to get the places for Korea and, maybe, she considers World an important competition anyway.Having said all that, however, once Yuna put all those considerations aside and got on the plane for Turin, did she want to win? Of course she did. Did she get beat by Mao fair and square? No question. Was the Worlds a meaningful win for Mao? Yes it was. Did Mao deliver strong performances? Yes she did. But going from there to somehow imply that Yuna was as hungry to win (or anywhere near) as Mao was, or that the Worlds win was somehow equivalent to the OGM, as some posters have been trying to spin it, is drinking the Koolaid.
It has to be disheartening if you're Miki Ando, a former World Champion and the reigning GP Final silver medalist and reigning World bronze medalist to do 6 clean triples and lose a medal to a 3 triple Laura. Same goes for a clean 6 triple Cynthia Phaneuf.
If Yuna did not want to win then she should have stayed home. OK
If you don't like results, that's your opinion but you can't said that Yuna marks are inflated. That's not fair for Yuna and I don't like that.
You make good points but you seem to want to downplay history for the sake of propping up Yuna.
If Yuna did not want to win then she should have stayed home. OK - easier said than done coz of politics, etc. And how long can Yuna starve herself to keep at such a light weight that she can still make her jumps? I suspect not much longer.
Perspective is perspective. It doesn't come from our exchange - but a few years from now when fans look back and re-evauate.
Mao not winning in Vancouver may have the same effect on her that it had on Michelle.
Yuna did NOT look prepared to do her best here - and now some will wonder hif we have seen her best? Mao appears to be ready to continue and win more WC's and not sure about Yuna.
Of course this is speculation - but should Yuna retire now - except for Korean fans - she will go down like a Tara, sarah and Shiz. Wondeful skater who won OGM and one WC.
Mao , a few years from now may be approaching Michelle's records - with two Olympic medals a possibilty along with 4-5 WC's.
So, it is fine to say Yuna had nothing to prove and this did not mean so much to her. Not a problems for me as I always respect Tara, Sarah and other skaters with 1-2 major titles.
Just strikes me that if it is a legacy Yuna wants - she needs to continue because it seems Mao is not going away and will surpass Yuna's records rather easily in the next season or two.
Laura had a 9 pt lead in the SP! But I feel a bit bad for Mirai. She's was only 3 points off bronze.
You make good points but you seem to want to downplay history for the sake of propping up Yuna.
If Yuna did not want to win then she should have stayed home. OK - easier said than done coz of politics, etc. And how long can Yuna starve herself to keep at such a light weight that she can still make her jumps? I suspect not much longer.
Perspective is perspective. It doesn't come from our exchange - but a few years from now when fans look back and re-evauate.
Mao not winning in Vancouver may have the same effect on her that it had on Michelle.
Yuna did NOT look prepared to do her best here - and now some will wonder hif we have seen her best? Mao appears to be ready to continue and win more WC's and not sure about Yuna.
Of course this is speculation - but should Yuna retire now - except for Korean fans - she will go down like a Tara, sarah and Shiz. Wondeful skater who won OGM and one WC.
Mao , a few years from now may be approaching Michelle's records - with two Olympic medals a possibilty along with 4-5 WC's.
So, it is fine to say Yuna had nothing to prove and this did not mean so much to her. Not a problems for me as I always respect Tara, Sarah and other skaters with 1-2 major titles.
Just strikes me that if it is a legacy Yuna wants - she needs to continue because it seems Mao is not going away and will surpass Yuna's records rather easily in the next season or two.
Me:If Yuna did not want to win then she should have stayed home.
Anyway, it's stupid to say that she should have stayed at home instead of participating. It's pretty stupid that some people actually want the best skater in the World not to come to compete.
She is not starving herself according to her.And how long can Yuna starve herself to keep at such a light weight that she can still make her jumps?
I don't understand, what the hell are you trying to say? Yuna will never be like Michelle in USA, because she's not American. For Koreans she is more than Michelle. So ***?Mao not winning in Vancouver may have the same effect on her that it had on Michelle.
Yuna did NOT look prepared to do her best here - and now some will wonder hif we have seen her best? Mao appears to be ready to continue and win more WC's and not sure about Yuna.
Of course this is speculation - but should Yuna retire now - except for Korean fans - she will go down like a Tara, sarah and Shiz. Wondeful skater who won OGM and one WC.
Mao , a few years from now may be approaching Michelle's records - with two Olympic medals a possibilty along with 4-5 WC's.
What strikes me is that you seem to talk **** about Yuna after following her for so much time and you must know that what are you talking is not true.Just strikes me that if it is a legacy Yuna wants - she needs to continue because it seems Mao is not going away and will surpass Yuna's records rather easily in the next season or two.
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I don't understand, what the hell are you trying to say? Yuna will never be like Michelle in USA, because she's not American. For Koreans she is more than Michelle. So ***?
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She is not starving herself according to her.
I don't understand, what the hell are you trying to say? Yuna will never be like Michelle in USA, because she's not American. For Koreans she is more than Michelle. So ***?
What strikes me is that you seem to talk **** about Yuna after following her for so much time and you must know that what are you talking is not true.
It's up only to Yuna what she wants to do. She showed because she wanted to and she thought it will be ok, and it really went ok.
What the hell were you waiting for? Another 3 Worlds records?
ew.. Queen Yuna is Queen Yuna. She doesn't need to be like anyone. BTW, I think no one wanna or want to be like a skater that never have OGM lol.
Exactly. That's why I don't understand that "legacy" ********.Queen Yuna is Queen Yuna. She doesn't need to be like anyone.
Yes, I was being ironic - but let's consider that Yuna wants to be remebered as one of the greatest skaters of all time.