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Alena Kostornaia

Batsuchan

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Ok, let's see if this works now... Finally posting my impressions of the FS!

1) I was feeling seriously ill (so nervous!) when the final group took the ice. And then it was so hard to tell who was who during the warmup, but then at the very end we saw Aliona do a perfect 3A+2T combo and I was somewhat relieved.

2) When Aliona took the ice she looked confident, not nervous at all, so I had a feeling she would land both those triple axels. The combo was so beautiful, so I was prepared to see her fall on the 2nd one, but she didn't! She hung onto the landing! Amazing! :yes2: It did look tight on the landing, though, so I'm not surprised it got called UR. I held my breath when she got to that final 3Lz, but then she did it, a clean program! WHAT A STAR!! :yahoo:

3) I loved the dress, and I actually really like the blood drops. :luv17: As others have said, I was fond of the choreo to the "Meadow" music that has been mostly been eliminated; I hope they can add some of that back. I really liked the "running steps" to the beat that she used to have. It also is a little bit weird to me that her first three jumps are axel jumps. I think it might be better to switch the 3Lo and the 2A, unless the plan is to give Aliona another chance to do a 3A if she pops one. I still wish that there was more lively, interesting choreo to go to the end part of "Supermassive black hole," because the spirals in the choreo sequence are kind of a letdown, but overall, wow, it is so much fun to see Aliona having so much fun! :love:

4) I really had no idea what to expect with the score. Again, I was kind of worried by the long delay before they announced the scores, but I guess the judges had to make sure they gave her all the points they could? Or maybe they got so caught up in Aliona's performance that they forgot they had to give her scores? :biggrin:
What an amazing feat to beat her previous personal best by about 17 points! It always makes me happy when Aliona is surprised by her scores. :luv17:

5) I'm actually glad that the solo 3A was called UR--that gives her something to improve upon. :yes: If she was completely perfect here, it would have been amazing, but it would have put enormous pressure on her to be perfect for the rest of the season, and it's clear that she's still stabilizing the 3A.

6) I know she was talking about the 4S, but I think stabilizing her existing content (and possibly adding the 3A in the SP) is what she should focus on. Did you see all the tape she had on her hip?
I suspect that is covering up a nasty bruise (from one of her falls on a 3A), and it reminded me that there is a cost to training these new elements.
Staying healthy and injury free should be Aliona's #1 priority! :yes:

7) Wow, how quickly things can change in a week. Last week a lot of people had written off Aliona for the season, and even I thought it would be very difficult for her to beat Liza, let alone make the Worlds team. And now I firmly believe that if she gets that 3A stable and adds it in the SP, she will be in the running for World gold! :cheer2:
 

Batsuchan

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So for fun, I calculated Aliona's scores at Finlandia with men's PCS factoring. :)

For the SP, she would've received 85.79, which would have put her 4th in the men's SP.
For the FS, she would've received 175.51, which would have put her 1st in FS! :eek:
Her total score would've been 261.30, which means she would've won the men's competition as well! :eeking:

Yes, our angelic vampire TOTALLY slayed this weekend!! :biggrin: :cool2:

I also noticed that her TES of 85.91 is higher than Alina's TES when she got her highest FS score at 2018 Nebelhorn Trophy (83.54). If Aliona lands both 3As cleanly, I think she has a very good chance of beating Alina in the FS and overall. :yes:
Personally, I do not expect there to be too much of a gap in their PCS because Aliona IS the total package, and the only thing she lacks versus Alina is a loop combo. But maybe that's my wishful thinking...

If Aliona does beat Alina and/or their PCS are similar or Aliona even tops her in PCS, I do fear that the fans of Alina are going to start attacking our girl... :noshake: Oh well...
 

Batsuchan

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It seems Aliona's stalking incident has gotten wider attention in the skating community (which is good). Christina Carreira, a US ice dancer, posted on Twitter about it with the hastag #protectangelalena!
https://twitter.com/ccarreira03/status/1183846061401628672?s=19

Yes, protect our angel!! :devil:

A few weeks ago, one of Aliona's fan accounts (Kostornaiateam) posted a story where they said that Aliona told them she wouldn't be able to do any fan meetings at Crystal rink anymore (or at least until "after graduation," whatever that means). Now I'm wondering if they've banned these fan meetings because of some other unpleasant incidents... :unsure:
 

sclloyd

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So, for some less happy news... :devil:

After the medal ceremony yesterday, Aliona was sweet enough to go around the rink and take pictures with fans. :luv17: Then this one middle-aged man insisted on putting his arm around her and pulling her close, and then he kinda fell on her and dropped his phone. The whole interaction looked very uncomfortable for poor Aliona. :devil:
https://youtu.be/MLfLFkIUBVw?t=60

So then the Russian fans figured out who he was, and he seems to be kind of a crazy stalker of Aliona. See his page here, and the extremely creepy post where he's kissing Aliona's picture:
https://vk.com/id322191604

SERIOUSLY. NOT. COOL. :mad:

Thankfully it seems that people told Daniil and Skating Finland about it, so hopefully Team Tutberidze will be keeping a close eye on fans' interactions with their skaters. You can read more about the incident here (if you want to):
https://twitter.com/tikudzi/status/1183713213281656832?s=19
https://twitter.com/tikudzi/status/1183725578530234374

The safety of Aliona (and all the skaters) is most important! :yes:

At first I was thinking, oh the man is somewhat on in age, perhaps it was a slip over the barrier, but after seeing his VK, I’m mortified. And to not just be an overzealous fan at the arena but to creep around her hotel as well?

I’ve no doubt that Daniil would take matters to his own hands were the security to be insufficient. We see how careful he and Eteri are protecting and shielding them from even the smallest bumps of random people walking past. And, as he’s said in interviews, these girls are as if his own daughters. I don’t doubt her safety with her coaches. They’re very protective.

When she is on her own is more concerning. I hope this doesn’t dampen how much her and the rest of Eteri’s girls seem to enjoy their moments as tourists. Even with parents and coaches looking onwards there is much more freedom.

I also attempted to translate what was written in the post of him kissing Aliona’s photo.

I’m not anywhere near fluent, and often rely on translations myself, but this is what I have.

“I am the husband. You, Aliona, my wife. I ran good, fresh air overnight. Aliona Kostornaia loves Vadim to improve health and beauty and sports. Alena kissed with Vadim. Another girl, mischievous girl who is able to escort off in a car and create conflict with Russian Vadim and Aliona Kostornaia.”

A couple things to note...I don’t know if escort has the same connotation as in the states, but combined with “creating conflict” it sounds... absolutely awful. Also, it doesn’t seem like he himself is fluent. I might guess he misspelled the word for escort which, if changing a letter translates to “drive”. I also don’t know if he’s using the wrong tense of “kissed” or if there is an idiom I am missing, and saying when he sleeps he is dreaming such things.

In any matter, the details need not be discussed. They, and him, have no place in the sport. He should be placed on a security watchlist and barred entry into any venue where Aliona is competing or performing.

Truly disgusting.
 

sclloyd

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We are lucky that so many photographers came to Finlandia this season. I don’t think I’ve seen this same volume of photos come out from any of the other challengers this season!

This photographer got some great photos:
http://photos.phantomkabocha.com/FigureSkating/Finlandia2019/AlenaKostornaia/index.html

As did this one:
https://ajtl.pictures.fi/kuvat/Finlandia+Trophy+2019/Ladies+free/Alena+KOSTORNAIA/

https://ajtl.pictures.fi/kuvat/Finlandia+Trophy+2019/Ladies+short/Alena+KOSTORNAIA/

https://ajtl.pictures.fi/kuvat/Finlandia+Trophy+2019/Prizegiving+Sunday/

Sport24 published photos and interviews from each day, which can be found on their Flickr (all photos in their photo stream)

https://flic.kr/p/2husHBZ

Plus many more from Japanese fans who made the trip to see and photograph Shoma.

Your first link... why is she so photoshopped? I could understand some color correction to improve the brightness and colors of the photographs, but her eyes don’t even look like hers. I also see all the bruises on her arms are gone. Interesting the photographer would change her so much...
 

Finley

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So for fun, I calculated Aliona's scores at Finlandia with men's PCS factoring. :)

.....

If Aliona does beat Alina and/or their PCS are similar or Aliona even tops her in PCS, I do fear that the fans of Alina are going to start attacking our girl... :noshake: Oh well...

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I truly hope that never happens. Especially not here on this forum. There will always be horrible people online who get pleasure from trying to make other people angry. I want to believe the majority of Alina's fans have more respect for fair play than attack another skater for no other reason than scores given to her by judges. Something that is completely beyond her control!

If anyone is tempted to, I hope they remember how not fun it was to read an entire season of 'overscored' posts about Alina. :(

Trying to manage my expectations this season. I wish all of the 4A success. They are absolutely beautiful, talented athletes who deserve all of their wings. Each one of them in their own way is a unique gift to this sport that won't be seen again. It's unbelievable that we will be seeing them all at the same time competing against each other!

As for my favorite, I just want to see Alina skate with joy and the results will be what they will be.
 

nussnacker

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If Aliona does beat Alina and/or their PCS are similar or Aliona even tops her in PCS, I do fear that the fans of Alina are going to start attacking our girl... :noshake: Oh well...

Let's not stigmatize any group of 'fans', shall we? There would be attacks on whoever wins ANY gran prix stage, I'm already bracing myself for what Anna will have to endure this week. :noshake:
But most importantly, Aliona and Alina are a TEAM :ghug: Alina would be happy for Aliona is she wins, that's for sure ;) Girls support each other and no matter the result, I'll be more than proud for both, which I think applies to majority. There will always be one odd person looking for conspiracies and creating negativity. And whoever decides to start a stink - well, the best option is to ignore it at all costs, don't feed the trolls :laugh:
Both ladies are deserving, and I would be happy if both win. Remember what Eteri said about Trusova and Zagitova? "The girls were a real team today!" :ghug:
 

wootini

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I t h I n k it's a bracket and I love that entry ... Maybe someone can confirm?

I wanted to try out this entrance this morning (with a waltz jump, not a 3A!) and so my daughter and I slowed the video to watch carefully - we are nearly certain it's a right back inside counter to a forward right inside counter, which leaves her on a right back inside edge. Then she power pulls onto a right back outside edge and steps forward into the jump takeoff.

It's definitely either a rocker or counter, as you can see clearly she is changing from one circle to another with each turn. (3 turns and brackets remain on the same circle.) Well, I can say it is definitely difficult to do and a bit scary but quite fun - although I can't imagine trying it at her rate of speed! Her knee action and edges are lovely and so well controlled.

So pleased to see Alena is happy and skating well! She's such an exciting talent and I love watching her skate.
 

Batsuchan

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Sorry, I didn't mean to single out any group of fans. And I'm sure Alina would be happy for Aliona if she won; they seem to get along well. :agree:

I was just thinking that Aliona was kind of an underdog, so now people are happy about her success, but if she continues to dominate, inevitably people will start complaining about her being over scored...
 

Finley

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Sorry, I didn't mean to single out any group of fans. And I'm sure Alina would be happy for Aliona if she won; they seem to get along well. :agree:

I was just thinking that Aliona was kind of an underdog, so now people are happy about her success, but if she continues to dominate, inevitably people will start complaining about her being over scored...

:thank:

Yes. Yes, they will. It is the nature of being on top of the game. :confused2:

I posted on another forum that I dread the day people in the respective 3A fandoms start turning on each other. :( BUT, today is not that day! :hap10: And when that day arrives, as it inevitably will, no one has to participate in it! :cool14:

And, yes, just like that, Alyona lost underdog status and Alina went back to having 'underdoggish' status.

It's weird - for awhile everyone wants to be on the side that's winning. Then everyone is looking for the next shiny new thing. (I remember last season when literally every skater was a 'breath of fresh air' except my fave.) Then somehow the 'it girl' is the one everyone is soooo tired of hearing about.

But none of that stuff is real. It's all just opinions and noise. Loving your favorite skaters and appreciating their athleticism and artistry and all the things they are bringing to the sport, all that is real. :ghug:

Getting this thread back on track - Alyona is amazing! :hap57:
 

Edwin

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I was just thinking that Aliona was kind of an underdog, so now people are happy about her success, but if she continues to dominate, inevitably people will start complaining about her being over scored...

Aleksandra, Alyona, Anna all had wonderful debuts in the seniors, previously unthinkable for newcomers. But fully deserved. All their scores will even rise once the season gets underway and their routines get fine tuned.

And of course, anti-fans will start complaining about them being 'over scored'. Those numbers are only relative, it is the ranking that counts, and with all of the former 3 Aces still growing in power, skill and confidence, their limits have not yet been discovered. They will rank 1st in many competitions.

Those Russian former skaters, retired trainers, etc. might be a little chauvinistic in their assessments but this season at least, I cannot think any skater will best Aleksandra, Alyona or Anna if all skate cleanly. Russian Nationals and Grand Prix finals and possibly World Championships will be the competitions where they will compete between themselves, and like last year, it could very well be these three on the medal rostrum in different order every time.
 

flanker

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Sorry, I didn't mean to single out any group of fans. And I'm sure Alina would be happy for Aliona if she won; they seem to get along well. :agree:

I was just thinking that Aliona was kind of an underdog, so now people are happy about her success, but if she continues to dominate, inevitably people will start complaining about her being over scored...

There will always be a people who would complain about overscoring of this or that skater. But I would advise you to read some amount of comments under the recent videos of 4A skates. Under which video do you think there are more vile attacks towards particular skaters? Definitely not under Alina's. Also, after JO, where Sasha scored over Alina, hardy anybody of Alina fans complained. If there were attracks then they were aimed precisely the other way than you suggest. Those were Alina fans who had to read words like "wrong russian won the olympics", "Alina should retire" and countless of other frindly regards from the fans of other girls. That's why, when I read what you have written, I have to say that the feelings are - strange.

BTW, it is even stranger. Before ISU has banned comments under JGP videos, the most hostile comments cold have been found precisely under Aliona's junior debut video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uie4rcBGOb4
But definitely not from Alina fans, the most frequented words you could have read there were "Yuna Kim the queen" and "another russian thief". But the fate has a sense for irony when just now Aliona is often promoted as a "Yuna Kim's successor" and when very similar words that were two years ago used against Aliona I can now read from a people who claim to be Aliona's fans used against other skaters and fans :biggrin:

So, I'm not ordering anything of course, I just ask politely, do not write what you have written above. I'm, big fan of Alina but I'm a fan of the all Eteri's team and I don't have the smallest problem when Anna, Sasha or Aliona (or any other girl not from the team) would score over her fair and square.
 

icybear

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There will always be clueless trolls that will complain of overscoring even if the scores were fair. As a fan of both, lets not instigate a rivalry between them.
 

elbkup

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I wanted to try out this entrance this morning (with a waltz jump, not a 3A!) and so my daughter and I slowed the video to watch carefully - we are nearly certain it's a right back inside counter to a forward right inside counter, which leaves her on a right back inside edge. Then she power pulls onto a right back outside edge and steps forward into the jump takeoff.

It's definitely either a rocker or counter, as you can see clearly she is changing from one circle to another with each turn. (3 turns and brackets remain on the same circle.) Well, I can say it is definitely difficult to do and a bit scary but quite fun - although I can't imagine trying it at her rate of speed! Her knee action and edges are lovely and so well controlled.

So pleased to see Alena is happy and skating well! She's such an exciting talent and I love watching her skate.

I think Jackie Wong would call it a rocker and I have heard Ted Barton refer to it as a bracket.. but that is the extent of my knowlege ... so much credit to you two for attempting this. I am 73 so not a skater now but was in the dim, distant past.. would probably break my neck with this .. haha...:laugh:
Alena is superb, I agree and a delight. No stress, fear, just pure joy.. she has been on my radar as one to watch since early juniors.. she is on my long list of favorites but at the top.
Thanks for sharing your input and good luck with the rocker...!!
 

lappo

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A bit late, but congrats to Aliona for her amazing senior debut! Wish her an amazing season as well! :)
 

Giltedge

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And then, as well as the anti-fans, you also get the "not" fans, a fan of somebody because he/she is "not-sb-else". They latch on to anyone who represents a plausible alternative to another target: a new base from where they hope to launch missiles. (I suspect that at least some of the sudden new-found battalions of Alёna (and Kseniya) fans fall into that category.
Of course, genuine fans outnumber "not-sb-else" fans, for obvious reasons. But still, the "not" fans need to be watched and shunned, since their purpose is essentially insincere.
(I'm not talking about here on GS, so much as out in the wild social media space, Yt, gossip sites etc.)



ADDED: I realised, that's effectively what you're referring to here:

There will always be a people who would complain about overscoring of this or that skater. But I would advise you to read some amount of comments under the recent videos of 4A skates. Under which video do you think there are more vile attacks towards particular skaters? Definitely not under Alina's. Also, after JO, where Sasha scored over Alina, hardy anybody of Alina fans complained. If there were attracks then they were aimed precisely the other way than you suggest. Those were Alina fans who had to read words like "wrong russian won the olympics", "Alina should retire" and countless of other frindly regards from the fans of other girls. That's why, when I read what you have written, I have to say that the feelings are - strange.

BTW, it is even stranger. Before ISU has banned comments under JGP videos, the most hostile comments cold have been found precisely under Aliona's junior debut video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uie4rcBGOb4
But definitely not from Alina fans, the most frequented words you could have read there were "Yuna Kim the queen" and "another russian thief". But the fate has a sense for irony when just now Aliona is often promoted as a "Yuna Kim's successor" and when very similar words that were two years ago used against Aliona I can now read from a people who claim to be Aliona's fans used against other skaters and fans :biggrin:

So, I'm not ordering anything of course, I just ask politely, do not write what you have written above. I'm, big fan of Alina but I'm a fan of the all Eteri's team and I don't have the smallest problem when Anna, Sasha or Aliona (or any other girl not from the team) would score over her fair and square.
 

wootini

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I think Jackie Wong would call it a rocker and I have heard Ted Barton refer to it as a bracket.. but that is the extent of my knowlege ... so much credit to you two for attempting this. I am 73 so not a skater now but was in the dim, distant past.. would probably break my neck with this .. haha...:laugh:
Alena is superb, I agree and a delight. No stress, fear, just pure joy.. she has been on my radar as one to watch since early juniors.. she is on my long list of favorites but at the top.
Thanks for sharing your input and good luck with the rocker...!!

Thank you so much! I will stick to a snail's pace with it and hopefully remain in one piece :laugh: It's incredible how difficult the most minor steps are - skating is truly a challenge and I have so much respect for what these elite athletes are able to achieve. :pray:
 

Giltedge

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:thank:

...[snip]...
Getting this thread back on track - Alyona is amazing! :hap57:


Yes! I find Alёna one of the most relaxing to watch out of my collection of favourites, even in high-stakes, high-tension contests :2thumbs:
 
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