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Unlikely age limits will change much?

gkelly

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I am curious. I don't really remember compulsory figures. If they were re-introduced, would it change this discussion? How possible was it to get to the top in skating at a young age during them.

There were some exceptional skaters who were strong in school figures at young ages. Carol Heiss and Priscilla Hill come to mind. (Freeskating may have been Heiss's strength, but she was strong enough in figures to make the US world team starting at 13, in an era when figures counted for 60%.)

On average it seemed that female skaters seemed to hit their peak around 18-20. But many quit as soon as they achieved what they thought was their peak because of the expense, in an era of strict amateurism. We don't know how many would have had Kostner- or Kwan-like careers if they could have afforded it.

Also, before the late 1970s ladies were rarely doing triples at all and those who did try in the 60s and early 70s tend to be the younger ones. It might not have been surprising to see a triple in a junior competition and none in the senior event. Even by the late 1980s it was really only necessary to have 3T and 3S and maybe one other triple along with good figures and good everything else in order to medal. Once figures were gone and a full set of triples became a defining criterion in the early 90s, then it seemed that skaters started tending to peak younger.

In terms of age limit there are a few things I would like to know - I genuinely think studies need to be done on whether the damage done to prepubescent bodies is significantly greater. If we are damaging a child's long term health before they are possibly of an age to consent I think we need to think about that.

But injuries have more to do with training than with age for competing at senior level.

If jumps are important in junior competition, junior (and novice) skaters will train to master jumps they can use to win in juniors.

Even if junior competition forbade harder jumps and senior competition allowed them, if coaches believe that skaters won't be able to learn harder jumps starting after full physical maturity, they will start teaching them before to those skaters who show readiness and aptitude.

So you would still have 13-year-old training those difficult jumps -- they just might never get to use them in competition if the jumps aren't allowed before seniors and many skaters who had or at least were working on them at 13 have lost them by 16.
 

Harriet

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But injuries have more to do with training than with age for competing at senior level.

If jumps are important in junior competition, junior (and novice) skaters will train to master jumps they can use to win in juniors.

At the same time, every sport I know of - early specialisation or not - limits what its junior competitors can do for safety reasons. Netball and cricket have different rules for juniors, and they're not even contact sports, because studies have shown that training and playing the way adults play is injurious to younger athletes' bodies; tennis has brought in rules for juniors that have helped it grow past the era of the short-careered teenage phenom; in rugby, if your neck is over a certain length and/or below a certain circumference, you're simply not allowed to play in juniors because of the risk of breaking your neck in a scrum, and some countries limit what you can do in senior competition too. In diving you can only train 10-metre dives in harness until a certain age. Even my 12-year-old niece has specific things she's not allowed to do yet in karate because her teachers know full well her body isn't ready for them and would be damaged if she tried it, and they just plain don't care that she might win this or that competition this year instead of next if they taught it to her anyway.

An adult has the cognitive development - and resistance to the audience effect - necessary to assess the risks to their health and make an informed decision about what to try and what not to. A pre-teen or teenager, not so much. It's therefore the responsibility of the adults in the room to put in place systems that both build their skills and protect their future ability to walk without pain, and both of those goals should always take priority over the possibility of being handed a bit of pot-metal a few times a year. In sports other than skating, adults can and do teach kids that there are boundaries on their training that must be respected: to use the example of my niece again, she was taught when she started karate lessons that for her own safety and that of others, she must never, ever practice or use what she learned outside of class or a competition setting except in an emergency where her life or safety was at risk, and in three years, despite a lot of teasing, pressure and outright physical challenges from everyone from grandparents to friends to the school bully, she has not once broken that rule. If my lovely but somewhat scatterbrained and excitable, eager-to-please niece can internalise that rule and stick to it from the age of nine no matter what, what makes any given pre-teen skater either so special or so lacking in self-control that they can't be expected to stick to a few sensible rules for their own wellbeing? Kids learn to value winning over safety, medals over health and jumps over longevity from the people who teach them. If we want healthier skaters, we have to stop teaching them what we're teaching now, and find a new paradigm.

The sport will adjust. Sports always do. Norms will change. They always do. Athletes will get used to it, and so will audiences. Once upon a time nobody thought a game of cricket could last half an afternoon, and now 20-20 is the best advertising the sport's ever had. Maybe changing how we conceptualise junior skating and treat juniors will bring in new interest and audiences to skating, too.
 

CellarDweller

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apologies about bumping up this thread, I just found this article, and wasn't sure if there was another thread where this would be appropriate.


Does Figure Skating Really Need Age Minimums?


Dvora Meyers - Wednesday 3:10pm

This weekend in Detroit, Alysa Liu won the senior ladies national title. Yet despite that, Liu won’t be competing at the 2019 world championships in Saitama, Japan. Those berths will go to second and third place finishers, Bradie Tennell and Mariah Bell. Disqualifying Liu is the fact that she’s 13 years old.

What Liu did on Friday night—overtaking older, more experienced skaters who are eligible to compete on the senior circuit—was not an isolated incident in the world of women’s figure skating. At last month’s Russian national championships, the top three positions were held by skaters who were also age-ineligible for this year’s senior world championships. (Though they are, unlike Liu, eligible for junior worlds. Liu’s birthdate is about five weeks shy of the cutoff mark, so she was unable to take part in this season’s junior Grand Prix circuit. The most she could do is enter an “advanced novice” competition, against skaters she has already beaten.) The first senior age-eligible skater at the Russian championships was Stanislava Konstantinova, who came in fourth. 2018 Olympic champion Alina Zagitova finished fifth. Sofia Samodurova, who, a month later, would skate to the 2019 European title, was sixth. And two-time world champion Evgenia Medvedeva, who has struggled all season long, was seventh.

https://deadspin.com/does-figure-skating-really-need-age-minimums-1832204461
 
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