As far as why "UR's" are not called: Judging starts during the practice sessions. If a skater has a pattern of UR (Caroline, Mirai) they are not usually given the benefit of the doubt in the actual competition. From the practice video posted on here, Mao has had terrific practices with fully rotated jumps.
2013 4CC Ladies Short Program
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I just got onto this thread. Mao! How perfectly stupendous! I am so excited I could almost do an axel myself. (Well, a 1/2 axel.) This is why I never give up on her: she never gives up on herself. What a bold lady she is.
Also thrilling to hear that Suzuki and Gao have done so well.
Also thrilling to hear that Suzuki and Gao have done so well.
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I am so happy for Christina!! And proud of her. She went out there and gave it everything, despite the disappointment at Nationals. Good for her!
I think this confirms what I said after Nationals: Christina's skating is better appreciated internationally than nationally. Whereas with Agnes, it's the opposite. I cannot explain why this is so, but it clearly is the case. If you look at the PCS from the SP, Christina scored about a half point higher than Agnes in every category except SS. So clearly, the judges appreciate the artistry and quality of her program and skating, in a way the U.S. judges at Nationals did not.
Hopefully Christina will take heart from this result, put out a good LP, and go into the Olympic season with momentum!!
So happy for Mao too. She has had such a tough road the last few years. So glad to see her have some success!
I think this confirms what I said after Nationals: Christina's skating is better appreciated internationally than nationally. Whereas with Agnes, it's the opposite. I cannot explain why this is so, but it clearly is the case. If you look at the PCS from the SP, Christina scored about a half point higher than Agnes in every category except SS. So clearly, the judges appreciate the artistry and quality of her program and skating, in a way the U.S. judges at Nationals did not.
Hopefully Christina will take heart from this result, put out a good LP, and go into the Olympic season with momentum!!
So happy for Mao too. She has had such a tough road the last few years. So glad to see her have some success!
I haven't actually seen any videos yet, but Mao's SP sounds really impressive. If she can do something similar in the FS, then she might just be back in the hunt for Worlds.
(The caveat and million dollar question, though: is this a sign of future jump consistency, or a successful roll of the dice? If the former, then Mao is a legitimate contender for Sochi gold. If the latter, then it becomes a tease in the quest for performance-reliable jumps, eg even a broken clock is right twice a day).
(The caveat and million dollar question, though: is this a sign of future jump consistency, or a successful roll of the dice? If the former, then Mao is a legitimate contender for Sochi gold. If the latter, then it becomes a tease in the quest for performance-reliable jumps, eg even a broken clock is right twice a day).
It was a definite UR. Seriously? I loved Mao's program, she skated with so much joy. But her 3a was UR'd and did not deserve +GOE.
This is your opinion. The technical specialist and all of the judges who saw it live thought it was very well executed since they have her such good GOE.
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Wow, you can't really please people. In their words, Mao is always overscored no matter what happens
lol haters will underrotate
:yay:
lol haters will underrotate
:yay:
Mao's program is enjoyable to see and lovely.
she jumped 3a. even she's got a lot of the goe in 3a. She finally did it.
akiko
from 11-12 season, she use strategy that sp is charisma, dark. fs is a beautiful, soft.
I like fs more than sp.
kanako, i like her changed costume.
she jumped 3a. even she's got a lot of the goe in 3a. She finally did it.
akiko
from 11-12 season, she use strategy that sp is charisma, dark. fs is a beautiful, soft.
I like fs more than sp.
kanako, i like her changed costume.
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Just watched the rerun on Eurosport 2. After nearly crying about the mess that was the Mens Competition this was a true joy to watch. The top three ladies made me so happy I'll just enjoy that and forget Men's even happened. Kanako was great, a beautiful program and so much expression! Akiko, wow, so good! Her programs are my favourites from the ladies this season, and I hope she has gained any confidence she might have lost in the last two months. I can hardly wait to see her O tomorrow. And finally Mao. What a performance. Honestly, even without that triple axel, tonight it felt like such a joy. When you watch her it just seems like she is not competing, but just having fun out there on the ice. She deserves everything she got tonight, imho. There is no discussion. I think she will slowly, but steadily will fight her way back to the top and to that Olympic Gold in Sochi.
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OK... so there is some debate as to whether Mao got the axel all the way around...
However, there can be no debate that she actually put the jump out there in a major competition, and in the SP at that.
Good for her! I bet her confidence level in the jump has improved dramatically. Yeah... she probably didn't need it to secure her placement... but her chances of success when she DOES need it have just seen an uptick. I'm sure the rest of the world has taken notice.
However, there can be no debate that she actually put the jump out there in a major competition, and in the SP at that.
Good for her! I bet her confidence level in the jump has improved dramatically. Yeah... she probably didn't need it to secure her placement... but her chances of success when she DOES need it have just seen an uptick. I'm sure the rest of the world has taken notice.
Yes, it is. But the slo mo does not lie. I am not saying she should not be in the lead and that it was not a good attempt, but it was UR'd. Mao has been generously scored this whole season, this is not any different, except that she actually skated very well and deserved the scores for the most part. Yes, in my opinion she did not deserve +GOE for the 3a.
I agree. Nothing tentative in this program and the choreography is spectacular. And Mao has the best basic skating skills (stroking) of anyone who has ever skated. When a skater seems to be enjoying their program, the spectator (judges) cannot help but to also enjoy it. The only weakness with Mao is her spins, she loses a little focus I think where spinning is concerned. But she looks strong and healthy, and it would make me cry tears of joy if she did as well in the long program. As far as the triple axel, her take off was a bit wonky, the ones she was doing in practice were far better, and I think the practice triple axels were the ones that were judged. It happens.
Jesus Christ, those protocols make for a very depressing reading.
Oh look, somebody landed a triple axel! Let's not care at all about how it was actually executed and shower it with +1s and +2s because it's a triple axel.
etc. etc. etc.
None of them were underrotated more than 1/4.
Murakami's 3flip was close but I think it was a little less than 1/4.
All of her jumps were a little bit under.
It was clearly cheated. The slo-mo shows she completed a substantial part of the rotation on the ice. Not sure whether less or more than 1/4 but I thought it was a little less.
But it wasn't.
The reason judges gave positive GOE was because:
1) it's Mao Asada
2) it was a triple axel
It was slightly cheated and there wasn't a lot of speed or flaw out. Base GOE would have been appropriate here.
She doesn't. There are skaters with better kneebend, deeper edges, more speed and flow, etc.
Kostner being the best example.
Oh look, somebody landed a triple axel! Let's not care at all about how it was actually executed and shower it with +1s and +2s because it's a triple axel.
etc. etc. etc.
None of them were underrotated more than 1/4.
Murakami's 3flip was close but I think it was a little less than 1/4.
All of her jumps were a little bit under.
It was clearly cheated. The slo-mo shows she completed a substantial part of the rotation on the ice. Not sure whether less or more than 1/4 but I thought it was a little less.
But it wasn't.
The reason judges gave positive GOE was because:
1) it's Mao Asada
2) it was a triple axel
It was slightly cheated and there wasn't a lot of speed or flaw out. Base GOE would have been appropriate here.
She doesn't. There are skaters with better kneebend, deeper edges, more speed and flow, etc.
Kostner being the best example.
I agree. Gao has showned she is on the move. I thought she was underscored at Nationals. I think she needs a great spin coach. Maybe Lucinda Rue could help.
Well, apart from Asada leading by 50 pts it's actually quite close among the next 6-7. A bit surprised to see Gao score above 60...this might turn out to be a good learning experience for Gold as it looks like she at least held on in the SP and didn't fall apart like at nationals...and as for Zawadzki- I think it just confirms the scoring discrepancy I was talking about earlier. Still, sounds like considering what she did, 57 still seems a bit generous...
Wonder if Gao or Gold can sneak into 3rd after the FS...
Wonder if Gao or Gold can sneak into 3rd after the FS...
Osmond was hosed on the PCS because of that fall. Bad for her that she doesn't have a reputation yet.
She had probably the best choreographed and presented program of the evening. Tons of upper body movement and transitions, great attack throughout.
I find it impossible to find any flaws in her PCS other than her posture (which I didn't even notice because her program was so busy).
She had probably the best choreographed and presented program of the evening. Tons of upper body movement and transitions, great attack throughout.
I find it impossible to find any flaws in her PCS other than her posture (which I didn't even notice because her program was so busy).
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Anyone find Kaetlyn Osmond's short?
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This is what I think too. I've watched it several times in slow mo and the absolute worst yo can say about it is that is is borderline <. I personally do not think it is < or that anyone but the strictest tech caller would call it as such. It is most definitely not << as some here seem to be saying or implying.
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