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I'm afraid JSU will make Hanyu skate no matter what at NHK, he is the one drawing the crowd...if looking at the crowd at COC 
2014 Cup of China Mens Short Program 11/07
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Oh, dear...
So you are the person I referenced earlier who does not understand the danger of head injuries.
Go search "Chronic traumatic encephalopathy" (CTE) and "post-concussion syndrome". Also watch the PBS/Frontline documentary about concussions in American football (link below) for real stories of players who did commit suicide (not the next day, mind you). Research has determined that concussion risks are as high or higher in other sports including soccer. Returning to play too soon following a head injury also increases the risks of developing long term brain damage such as in CTE. Head injuries are nothing to shrug our shoulders at.
Link: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/league-of-denial/
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They stayed on the ice because they were supposed to. It was their warm up session. No instructions were given to do otherwise. I am sure they were highly stressed themselves, shocked, concerned, and curious so they circled around to watch. They didn't get in the way of the medical personnel.
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That is indeed very worrying.I'm afraid JSU will make Hanyu skate no matter what at NHK, he is the one drawing the crowd...if looking at the crowd at COC
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Replying to a comment in the Health Updates thread, as I agree with satine94 that that thread should be kept clear for, well, health updates.
Growing up watching motorbike races, I have always been aware that the rule there was that if you got knocked out, it was mandatory that you had to sit out for 7 days.
The reasoning behind this was that, if you come back too early, you were not only putting yourself at risk, but you were also putting those around you at risk.
I just assumed that it was the same for all other sports. But from what we have witnessed today, that is evidently not the case in figure skating.
Well, if you ask me, this 7-days-out model should be applied to all sports.
As for the other matters of controversy, I will also draw from the situation in motorbike racing.
It should not be up to the competitor/coach/federation/judges to decide whether somebody is fit to compete or not. It should be the chief medical officer.
If asked if they are alright to compete, nearly every sportsperson will always answer "yes", whether they actually are or not. The answer you get from the various people representing the competitor may vary, but they will invariably have their own reasons for giving that answer.
These people, as well as the judges and other officials, are not medical professionals. They do not know the potential medical implications of competing. The only person who should be making decisions as to whether somebody is fit to compete or not is the chief medical officer.
And if there is not a medical team at the venue, as some people have reported was the case in the Cup of China, the competition should not be allowed to go ahead.
Here endeth the sermon.
CaroLiza_fan
Growing up watching motorbike races, I have always been aware that the rule there was that if you got knocked out, it was mandatory that you had to sit out for 7 days.
The reasoning behind this was that, if you come back too early, you were not only putting yourself at risk, but you were also putting those around you at risk.
I just assumed that it was the same for all other sports. But from what we have witnessed today, that is evidently not the case in figure skating.
Well, if you ask me, this 7-days-out model should be applied to all sports.
As for the other matters of controversy, I will also draw from the situation in motorbike racing.
It should not be up to the competitor/coach/federation/judges to decide whether somebody is fit to compete or not. It should be the chief medical officer.
If asked if they are alright to compete, nearly every sportsperson will always answer "yes", whether they actually are or not. The answer you get from the various people representing the competitor may vary, but they will invariably have their own reasons for giving that answer.
These people, as well as the judges and other officials, are not medical professionals. They do not know the potential medical implications of competing. The only person who should be making decisions as to whether somebody is fit to compete or not is the chief medical officer.
And if there is not a medical team at the venue, as some people have reported was the case in the Cup of China, the competition should not be allowed to go ahead.
Here endeth the sermon.
CaroLiza_fan
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Ha, ha.
If you replay to me of couse I’m that person.
Thanks for teach me what head injury mean.
Without you I had not known.
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NCAA requires colleges to have a protocol for head injury now, as well. I think a minimum of 7 days out is the standard at most colleges. That includes practice. I know that is the standard for our local Div. I team and is the standard that has been adopted by most high schools in my state. They are also required to have a coach or trainer who is trained to conduct a sideline test for concussion after any contact to the head. A "baseline" test is supposed to be conducted on all athletes prior to the season as well. Without a doubt being unconscious for any length of time eliminates the testing in most protocols, though. If you were knocked out, you don't go back in the game.
But, regardless, it is already clear in the thread that some people will continue to not take head injuries seriously.
So, do you think it is OK to allow a skater who was knocked unconscious and showing signs of a concussion to go out a few minutes later and skate a long program?
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A couple of weeks ago the backup quarterback on the University of Michigan team was hit so hard in the head that he was out on his feet. His teammates were trying to hold him up. The coach sent him back out on the next play. (The coach didn't really have a choice -- he was punishing the number one quarterback for having thrown too many interceptions the week before.)
The school's athletic director was forced to resign the next week.
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Yep. I know. And there are still many saying the coach should be disciplined as well for putting the player at risk. Personally, I think any coach who knowingly allows a player to play in that circumstance should be suspended for a time, if not fired. And he had a choice. As all FBS Div I teams do, I'm sure he had at least two more QBs in uniform.
(That said, given Michigan's current record, Hoke will probably be fired by the end of this month anyway).
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You go there and tell them: I do not care what you want I want something else.
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You want to ignore medical science. Very admirable.
The rest of us are aware of the research and the real life consequences and want what is best for the long term health of these two skaters.
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Yeah, and the athletic director, too, would have been cleared if the team had won more games.
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Which is where the NCAA needs to get more teeth in their policy so that consequences for violating protocol are mandatory. Suspensions, perhaps. If a coach knew he'd have to sit out a game, he'd err on the side of caution.
I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say, other than not bothering to answer my question.
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It's not your life. They decide what they want to do with their lives. They are aware what risks they are expose. That is why the sport is inspirational. Otherwise stay home because if you go on the street it is possible to be hit by a car.
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I understand.
This reminds me of the incident in this year's World Cup Final, Christoph Kramer got a concussion and went and asked the referee if this was the final, it took them like 15 minutes to substitute him off, he still doesn't remember the game right now, concussions are really serious stuff, if they have to delay the event to get Han Yan and Yuzuru Hanyu to a doctor for a proper examination then they should
This is some special level of ignorant. It doesn't matter how "inspirational" these risks are, the long term effects are incredibly dangerous. Athletes are trained to focus on one thing so they do not know any better without the enforcement of officials and rules telling them where to draw the line. That's the whole point of the many head-trauma rules in professional sports.
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So, athletes are ignorant. All around them are ignorant. You know better. OK. If it makes you feel better I stop here.
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