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What did the Kween say about Plush? I only know that Evan reported Plush was struggling. I haven't been able to keep up with all the tweets and the like.
2014 Olympics Mens Free Skate
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What did the Kween say about Plush? I only know that Evan reported Plush was struggling. I haven't been able to keep up with all the tweets and the like.
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The problem with this event was not that the guys made mistakes. The problem is that the programs are terrible.
Paul Wylie's performance in 1992 was very flawed technically but it was incredibly memorable because of the musicality, the buildup, and the freedom to actually MOVE on the ice and use it as an artistic canvass.
Paul Wylie's performance in 1992 was very flawed technically but it was incredibly memorable because of the musicality, the buildup, and the freedom to actually MOVE on the ice and use it as an artistic canvass.
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*the facepalm of all facepalms*
Please just go to Hawaii or something. Disappear for a while. Please.
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Yes... the judges would hose someone who fell at least twice in the LP in 2010.
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1. I feel badly for PChan. One of the finest skaters ever, and after Hanyu fell twice I figured PChan had it in the bag, because I was sure that even if Hanyu went clean PChan would have a one error pad. Oh well, another Canadian Men's OSM. In a way I find it settling because PChan has won the top championship for the last two years very flawed, racking up world titles making his legacy much bigger than what he was putting out on the ice. Had he won today with yet another flawed program, I'd have a pretty meh feeling about this quad.
2. Jeremy better not go to Worlds. Jason placed ahead of him here, it should be Jason's spot now. Jeremy is retiring, so let Max and Jason fight for the future US spots which affect their future prospects.
3. Quite a disappointing event. There weren't really any "Olympic moments". *sigh*
2. Jeremy better not go to Worlds. Jason placed ahead of him here, it should be Jason's spot now. Jeremy is retiring, so let Max and Jason fight for the future US spots which affect their future prospects.
3. Quite a disappointing event. There weren't really any "Olympic moments". *sigh*
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Chan himself recognizes that the skating was more epic and artistic in the 80s/90s. Wylie is a god. A true artist. He made mistakes in 1992 but it was also a thrilling performance. He loved being out there and showed the world his best. Artistically, no one came close. Petr Barna was also artistic but didn't have the charisma.
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Yeah, the top 3 in 1992 would all be considered artists. It's amazing what a good program can do for a performance. Viktor used that program to death, and Barna, whom I was a particular fan of, had a dreary and plodding program when he was capable of so much more. Wylie just had a thrilling and exciting program.
In their lament at the end over how this event turned out, Kurt Browning and Carol Lane were saying that there is just so much the skaters have to do nowadays in their programs, there is no chance to recover anywhere (they meant mentally as much as physically, if anything throws you off anywhere). Like there is no breathing room in the programs anymore. It doesn't have to be taken to Plushenko-like extremes (my apologies to Plushy), but it's not a bad thing to have. I didn't feel today like the guys were choking left and right, they are just pushed to the edge, and the programs are so static because of point considerations, the feel is just that everyone is ploughing through.
I still view Wylie's program on YouTube when I want an uplift. There is so much to admire in it, even beyond Wylie's charismatic, bold performance. The music is a movie soundtrack but a good one, not just generic booming music. It has a strong melodic continuity and even tells a story, and the second piece that is edited with it (the final section of Saint-Saens' Organ Symphony) blends unusually well with the Henry V music. And Wylie sells it with conviction. By comparison, Dennis Ten's music, though it contains bits of Shostokovich (the only finalist's program I've seen for myself so far), has a diffuse, unconvincing feel to it, so that there's nothing pushing me forward. Though it's wonderful to watch Dennis skate with such authority, I don't anticipate watching this performance again and again for emotional rewards.
We often say that with CoP there's not much room to create a dazzling program, but I think part of the problem is that the music often doesn't support the skater in this regard. That's one reason so many of us warm to Jason Brown's Riverdance program. It is a living piece of music that pulls us forward. It has a feeling of wholeness (literally of integrity) rather than sounding like put-together snatches of tunes. And, of course, Ward's choreography makes every note do its job, while Jason carries it beautifully with his skating.
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I wish that at least they'd give Jason the spot over Max. I t is awkward because they really JUMPED on announcing those worlds spots. Stupid of them and shortsighted. Stupid stupid USFSA.
No point blaming Jeremy for this one. USFSA is who gave him the spot immediately after Nationals, it is his to take if he wants it, nasty choker or not.
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In most ways that's true, but even though he didn't come close to the podium, and watered down the content I did get a "Kurt Browning 94" feeling from Jeremy's LP today.
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Daisuke had my favorite program today, did his best with injuries and all, and seemed happy with it in the end!! So glad he ended on a good note. Surprised his presentation score wasn't higher...he had hands down the best presentation IMO.
Totally with you. Dai was really the only artist out there. Posture, musicality, flow all are in a different class than the rest of this field. Unfortunate he lacked the difficulty because the rest he has in spades. Still enjoyed his skate maybe best of all.
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Left for a thing so I missed the last group
All I'm saying is that I'm happy Yuzu won gold because I've been watching him grow as a skater since he was in juniors
All I'm saying is that I'm happy Yuzu won gold because I've been watching him grow as a skater since he was in juniors
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They counted the axle miss as a jumping pass despite the fact that it had 0 value. Therefore the loop was one jumping pass too many and he did not get any credit for it.
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Jeremy is in a class of his own. You think he has a shot at a medal at worlds? Sure PTF, go ahead bet your house on him.
They counted the waxel and the 2A, therefore they considered the 3L as an extra pass, so invalid.
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Oh yay! (My former boss lol) But more than that, he needs continuous support. If only he can tap into the financiers of basketball/football/boxing
They just showed Dai on the American network. I add my agreement. It was a gorgeous program except for the problems with the jumps. His spins make everyone else's look klunky by comparison. Next to him, even Jeremy seems stiff. No wonder I haven't fallen in love with Yuzuru's skating yet, except for an admiration for his technique. Daisuke's program was so rewarding to watch, so richly textured that my eyes lingered on every nuance.
I'd suggest that Daisuke go into coaching so that he can pass on what he knows, but I suspect that what he has can't be taught.
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People tend to blame COP's arcane rules for the demise of artistry, but then again, just something big, intangible and elusive, is missing. Dai is the closest to epic artistry we've seen... but the rest, something falls flat. There's no room for real drama and storytelling. The artistry pre-COP skating was character and story-driven. Now... it's just a real mess. If there's no story, there's no talent for actual dancing. The way Jason and Dai dance. So many skaters doing pretzels on the ice with no inkling of what the movement signifies or expresses. Really depressing.
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