2014 Olympics Mens Free Skate

[SGrand]

Congrats to all the medalists.
At this point the only thing I can really say is "Why Patrick? Why?"

I'm sure he will be asking himself that for the next while.

 

[mirai4life]

It's just too disappointing today, looking forward to the BEAUTIFUL ladies' skating tomorrow!

It's not tomorrow though

 

[yuki]

I get it Javi repeated the 3S. The other should have been in a combination. Oh Javi you should have had a 2A for the final jump.

It wouldn't have mattered even if he did it in combination because he had already done 3 combinations before (4S+2T, 2Lz+2T, 3F+1Lo+2S).

 

[Mista Ekko]

I commented because some posters were saying how ugly a skater looked when he was jumping, and I admonished them for being rude. That is all. It reminds me of those "ugly" grimacing Mao videos that were put up, and it's malicious and beyond the pale. I do think Mao and her fans minded. There are also such comments on Akiko's videos, I can't tolerate them. The whole point of the sport is beauty, perfection, the insane efforts to achieve those goals while taking one's body to the hilt attain those goals. If the jump/element fails, that's fine to comment. Making fun of their looks while they are skating is simply malicious.

Actually, it is sad that skaters have to look conventionally beautiful, does it mean that those who do not fit these standards are even more disadvantaged?

You might shrug off such "jokes" but some of us might mind them and speak up. At least these posters know that others do not like such comments and prefer more respect for the skaters.

No you didn't, All that was said is he opens his moth really wide, which to me looks like a martial arts cry.
You decided upon yourself that people are being rude to skaters,
Maybe that's a touchy subject for you,
But you should damn well believe that if we're here we love and admire ALL skaters and celebrate them,
Even if they did something funny,

Now after i've apologized already for causing you distress,
And others have asked you to bury this subject
is that enough of you ?!

 

[jenaj]

I think Patrick's problems date back to his coaching change last year. He obviously was having problems on the triple axel at this event. Last year, he was plagued by popped jumps. Wasn't he working with jump specialist Christy Krall before? That was what he needed. He already had the artistry and the skating skills. I am not happy that Hanyu won. His long program was a typical hot mess for him in the big events. He wasn't even on the World podium last year. Patrick is a better skater, in my opinion. I am sad that he was unable to overcome his technical problems (nothing that major; just too many) and, apparently, his nerves.

 

[Ophelia]

I can't believe how Hanyu HANDED the gold to Patrick and then Patrick just handed it right back. Patrick should've felt less pressure going into the FS knowing that Hanyu bombed.

 

[Mista Ekko]

I think Patrick's problems date back to his coaching change last year. He obviously was having problems on the triple axel at this event. Last year, he was plagued by popped jumps. Wasn't he working with jump specialist Christy Krall before? That was what he needed. He already had the artistry and the skating skills. I am not happy that Hanyu won. His long program was a typical hot mess for him in the big events. He wasn't even on the World podium last year. Patrick is a better skater, in my opinion. I am sad that he was unable to overcome his technical problems (nothing that major; just too many) and, apparently, his nerves.

The switch always seemed weird, Did he ever specify why he swithced from a great coach to an inexperienced one ?
I kinda assumed they have a great relationship between them that fits, And he was pretty much coaching himself by then,
I mean, He DID score 2 world records for 2 clean performances at Bompard, He's been pretty much skating the same since 2011,
Could any other coach have done anything ?

 

[qwertyskates]

No you didn't, All high said is he opens his moth really wide, which to me looks like a martial arts cry.
You decided upon yourself that people are being rude to skaters,
Maybe that's touchy subject for you,
But you should damn well believe that if we're here we love and admire ALL skaters and celebrate them,
Even if they did something funny,

Now after i've apologized already for causing you distress,
And others have asked you to bury this subject
is that enough of you ?!

Hmm? Must have missed the apology? I am caught and torn between feeling intense disappointment but also the instinct to be protective and defensive of these athletes. Ok, they're ripped apart for their performances, I can understand, it's the nature of this sport. But there's the ugly side to the constant sniping due to rivalries that probably put off a lot of fans. I'd rather throw them my support, despite any disappointment, after all. They're all beautiful to me as long as they showed they gave their best. It's a personal peeve to hear negative comments on skaters' looks, because I care more about their skating. Ok, peace out.:agree:

 

[yuki]

I can't believe how Hanyu HANDED the gold to Patrick and then Patrick just handed it right back.

Like a hot potato.
It's like they were both afraid of winning so they just decided to let the other one take it. This event should've had 2 silvers and no gold.

 

[Mrs. P]

Just speaking from a logical point. Patrick Chan was actually quite consistent technically leading up to the Olympics. His quad was 10/12 this season and his 3A was also at least 60 percent with + GOE.

I really think the mental game did him in. I think there was a lot of pressure for him to break the "Canadian curse" as a multiple-world champion and while his coach, I will give her credit for, has improved his fluidity and style and overall program, I'm not sure how great she was at dealing with his mental game.

This might sound weird, but I think it might not be such a bad idea for him to go back to Colorado Springs and maybe get coached by someone like Kori Ade. She seems to be really good at helping her students deal with the mental game (Yes Jason did not skate his best; but the BBC commentators noted that he never gave up on the performance). And could you imagine how awesome it would be for Jason to train alongside Patrick? Anyway that's just one of my fantasies that definitely won't happen. (He does seem to have a nice community at DSC).

 

[SGrand]

yeah, i feel bad for him. and it was a rude *** thing for joannie to say especially because they were teammates and are presumedly good friends. patrick is hardly the first athlete to choke at the olympics and he won't be the last. he's feeling bad about it already, he doesn't really need his friends mouthing off on twitter about what a terrible skater he is

It will only make his bond with Kurt that much stronger. If anyone knows how he feels, it's Kurt.
Joannie needs to type her tweet out, and then take a pause and think about it before actually tweeting it out. It's uncalled for. I'm a fan of hers, but I can't imagine the BS she would have had to put up with in 2010 if Twitter was bigger (not saying it wasn't around then, but social media is just so huge now and everyone feels that their opinion is just so right....RIGHT AWAY and nobody thinks about the consequences of their actions.......kind of like typing on a forum LOL).

 

[Mathman]

Because it is counted as the fourth combo as he already did three combo and a solo sal; therefore, when he repeat the sal it is counted as a fourth combo automatically.

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[chairmanmao]

Why people all of a sudden think this is a vindication of that quadless champion Lysacek. Despite the messiness of the FS, Lysacek's 2010 program would not even be top 5 here.

 

[treeloving]

Not just mental, I think it is also the fact that they have to skate two days consecutively, with such a content, it is difficult to expect them to be clean.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Hmm? Must have missed the apology? I am caught and torn between feeling intense disappointment but also the instinct to be protective and defensive of these athletes. Ok, they're ripped apart for their performances, I can understand, it's the nature of this sport. But there's the ugly side to the constant sniping due to rivalries that probably put off a lot of fans. I'd rather throw my support, despite any disappointment, after all. They're all beautiful to me as long as they showed they gave their best.

I think we all, Well i can't speak for everybody, But most of us agree with you on that,
I hate seeing people on sportsnews talk stupid stuff about athletes i like, And evil comments on Youtube
But the specific comments that was made here was not a comment of the sort

And i think we're all pretty sad and pissed right now seeing most of us are either Chanfans ot Javierfans,
So let us all cry together tonight and not turn on each other, Shall we ?

 

[Sochi_2014]

Why people all of a sudden think this is a vindication of that quadless champion Lysacek. Despite the messiness of the FS, Lysacek's 2010 program would not even be top 5 here.

eh, I beg to differ.

 

[Mrs. P]

Aw, I love Misha Ge:

Sk8Prince 12:31pm via Twitter for iPhone
What an great victory for my neighbor @Tenis_Den ! Great Job Denis ! Congratulation with Bronze !!!

Sk8Prince 12:29pm via Twitter for iPhone
Its was very intense battle between for Yuzu and Patrick . Well done guys ! Congratulation to all of you !

Sk8Prince 12:29pm via Twitter for iPhone
Yuzu !!!!!!!! Olympic Champion !!!!!!!! Big Congratulation !!!!! Yay !!!


Sk8Prince 12:28pm via Twitter for iPhone
Maybe @jasonbskates wasn't perfect today but boy you did a such a great job on this Olympic ! #Congrats

 

[yuki]

Aw, I love Misha Ge:

Sk8Prince 12:31pm via Twitter for iPhone
What an great victory for my neighbor @Tenis_Den ! Great Job Denis ! Congratulation with Bronze !!!

Sk8Prince 12:29pm via Twitter for iPhone
Its was very intense battle between for Yuzu and Patrick . Well done guys ! Congratulation to all of you !

Sk8Prince 12:29pm via Twitter for iPhone
Yuzu !!!!!!!! Olympic Champion !!!!!!!! Big Congratulation !!!!! Yay !!!


Sk8Prince 12:28pm via Twitter for iPhone
Maybe @jasonbskates wasn't perfect today but boy you did a such a great job on this Olympic ! #Congrats

:agree: He's just so enthusiastic about his fellow skaters, skating in general, life and everything.

 

[Mathman]

Why people all of a sudden think this is a vindication of that quadless champion Lysacek. Despite the messiness of the FS, Lysacek's 2010 program would not even be top 5 here.

Lysacek skated well. The guys today, not so much.

 

[Ziggy]

So instead of inflation, now we have Hanyuflation added into the mix.

The problem is how ridiculously generous judges are in giving out +3 GOE to the "favorites"...and then tying the PCS scores to the tech scores, and then constrain the PCS scoring into a corridor. It creates situations where skaters can get a 30 points cushion where they can fall multiple times and still win. This Olympics shows clearly that the problem isn't Chan, it is the system.

Neither Hanyu nor Chan should have gotten scores that are 10+ points above everyone else in the short. Unless their jumps are something totally extraordinary like Han Yan's 3A, they should not be getting so many +3 GOEs. You have to fly into the jumps with zero preparation and get huge height/distance, land as smoothly as Oda, and hold the edge to get +3 GOE.

Hanyu should not be getting such high scores for his SS and TR and Chan shouldn't not be getting such high scores for his IN and PE.

Are you talking about SP or FS or both? Those are two different programs and different performances. What can apply to one, might not apply to the other.

Hanyu's jumps were totally extraordinary in the SP. Well not the combination but the 4toe and 3axel easily deserved at least +2/+3. A lot of his very high GOEs in both SP and FS were justified. His SS are very good just not exceptional like Chan's. TR weren't great in the FS, yes. It's his PE scores that annoy me the most, given his poor posture and lines and his general 'wilting flower' look and movement.

Chan - PE-wise, I guess he could show more emotional involvement and make his movements a bit 'bigger.' IN - I think his timing was a bit off in SP in places but I blame Buttle's dodgy choreo. He's usually very good at skating and moving in time with the music and I thought he did that pretty well in the FS.

I have to note that hnayu has landed his quadruple salchov with a good rate in practice... but it seems that in competition ha not be able to land it if not in finlandia

Why is he even attempting it? Why not go for two 4toes? Yes, his total BV will be less but he can't do it consistently so the risk is not worth it.

If only Javier change his last jump to 3Lz/ 3F or 3T. He has the most enjoyable performance today. But what if is what if.

Sad for him as well. I really think Zayak rule need to be polished a bit.

2axel would do. What do you mean by 'polished?'

The Zayak rule and all its COP complications is F-ing stupid. Skaters have lost countless medals the last decade from it, yet casual fans who dont study protocals and rules dont have a clue when watching. It only alienates and drives more fans from the sport, which is struggling to even stay afloat in North America these days as it is.

Casual fans who don't study protocols and rules don't have a clue about anything, though, so if you wanted to remove everything they don't understand, there wouldn't be a sport left.