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2015 Russian Nationals Short Dance

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The Short Dance is scheduled for 25 Dec 2014, Moscow time
20:00-21:30 - Dance SD

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Starting order, thanks to Alba!

Warm-up Group 1

1. Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV
2. Angelica KANIVETS / Alexei CHIZHOV
3. Liudmila SOSNITSKAIA / Pavel GOLOVISHNIKOV
4. Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN
5. Margarita BELYAKOVA / Dmitry VOLKOV


Warm-up Group 2

1. Anastasia SAFRONOVA / Ilia ZIMIN
2. Tiffany ZAHORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO
3. Evgenia KOSIGINA / Nikolai MOROSHKIN
4. Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN
5. Elena ILINYKH / Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN

Entry List, thanks to CaroLiza_fan!!


Dance:

[TABLE="class: grid"]
[TR]
[TD]1.[/TD]
[TD]Victoria SINITSINA / Nikita KATSALAPOV[/TD]
[TD]1995 / 1991[/TD]
[TD]Moscow[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.[/TD]
[TD]Elena ILINYKH Ruslan ZHIGANSHIN[/TD]
[TD]1994 / 1992[/TD]
[TD]Moscow[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.[/TD]
[TD]Alexandra STEPANOVA / Ivan BUKIN[/TD]
[TD]1995 / 1993[/TD]
[TD]Moscow[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.[/TD]
[TD]Ksenia MONKO / Kirill KHALIAVIN[/TD]
[TD]1992 / 1990[/TD]
[TD]Moscow[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.[/TD]
[TD]Evgenia KOSIGINA / Nikolai MOROSHKIN[/TD]
[TD]1995 / 1993[/TD]
[TD]Moscow oblast / Togliatti[/TD]
[TD]36 points[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.[/TD]
[TD]Margarita BELYAKOVA / Dmitry VOLKOV[/TD]
[TD]1998 / 1995[/TD]
[TD]Nizhny Novgorod[/TD]
[TD]32 points[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.[/TD]
[TD]Tiffany ZAHORSKI / Jonathan GUERREIRO[/TD]
[TD]1994 / 1991[/TD]
[TD]Moscow[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.[/TD]
[TD]Liudmila SOSNITSKAIA / Pavel GOLOVISHNIKOV[/TD]
[TD]1997 / 1995[/TD]
[TD]Moscow[/TD]
[TD]32 points[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.[/TD]
[TD]Anastasia SAFRONOVA / Ilia ZIMIN[/TD]
[TD]1997 / 1997[/TD]
[TD]Saint Petersburg[/TD]
[TD]30 points[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]10.[/TD]
[TD]Angelica KANIVETS / Alexei CHIZHOV[/TD]
[TD]1998 / 1994 [/TD]
[TD]Ekaterinburg[/TD]
[TD]26 points[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

On Qualifying List, But Now Not Competing:

11. Daria SHCHEGLOVA / Anton NOVIKOV - 22 points


Please be aware that these are the provisional entry lists, and they may change by the time the Entry/Results page comes online.
 
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I know, scary isn't it? The 90's felt like yesterday. In a couple years, we'll start seeing plenty of birth years in the 2000's. :hopelessness:
 
Russian Nationals already started. Unfortunately Bobrova & Soloviev will not participate, but they plan to be ready for European Championships (I hope they will be). Which means that as expected 4 couples will fight for 2 spots only here at Nationals. All those couples took part at this season’s Grand Prix series. Let’s look how judges and Technical panel marked them.

Comparing SD scores:
1. I&Z – 64.12 (Cup of Russia – at home)
2. I&Z – 60.48 (Cup of China)
3. I&K – 60.25 (Grand Prix Final)
4. M&K – 59.70 (NHK Trophy)
5. M&K – 59.62 (Skate Canada)
6. S&K – 57.96 (COR – at home)
7. S&B – 56.90 (COR – at home)
8. S&B – 56.37 (Skate America)
9. S&K – 54.94 (NHK Trophy)

Comparing SD Element Score – Base value + GOE:
1. I&Z – 31.03 = 25.70 + 5.33 (COR – at home)
2. M&K – 30.75 = 28.20 + 2.55 (NHK Trophy)
3. M&K – 30.40 = 27.20 + 3.20 (SC)
4. I&Z – 30.20 = 27.20 + 3.00 (COC)
5. I&Z – 28.47 = 24.70 + 3.77 (GPF)
6. S&B – 27.64 = 23.70 + 4.94 (COR – at home)
7. S&B – 26.88 = 22.70 + 4.18 (SA)
8. S&K – 26.85 = 23.20 + 3.65 (COR – at home)
9. S&K – 25.50 = 23.20 + 2.30 (NHK Trophy)

SD Skating Skills:
1. I&Z – 8.07 (GPF)
2. I&Z – 8.07 (COR – at home)
3. S&K – 7.71 (COR – at home)
4. S&B – 7.43 (SA)
5. I&Z – 7.40 (COC)
6. S&K – 7.36 (NHK Trophy)
7. M&K – 7.25 (SC)
8. M&K – 7.25 (NHK Trophy)
9. S&B – 7.25 (COR – at home)

SD Component score:
1. I&Z – 33.09 (COR – at home)
2. I&Z – 32.78 (GPF)
3. S&K – 31.11 (COR – at home)
4. I&Z – 30.28 (COC)
5. S&B – 29.49 (SA)
6. S&K – 29.44 (NHK Trophy)
7. S&B – 29.26 (COR – at home)
8. M&K – 29.22 (SC)
9. M&K – 28.95 (NHK Trophy)

Comparing FD scores:
1. I&Z – 96.31 (COR – at home)
2. I&Z – 96.21 (GPF)
3. M&K – 92.28 (NHK Trophy)
4. S&K – 89.59 (COR – at home)
5. S&B – 87.50 (SA)
6. S&B – 86.61 (COR – at home)
7. I&Z – 84.22 (COC)
8. M&K – 83.86 (SC)
9. S&K – 67.37 (NHK Trophy)

Comparing FD Element Score – Base value + GOE:
1. M&K – 47.24 = 40.50 + 6.74 (NHK Trophy)
2. I&Z – 46.81 = 38.70 + 8.11 (GPF)
3. I&Z – 44.25 = 34.20 + 10.05 (COR – at home)
4. S&B – 42.49 = 35.20 + 7.29 (COR – at home)
5. S&B – 42.14 = 33.70 + 8.44 (SA)
6. S&K – 41.45 = 33.50 + 8.05 (COR – at home)
7. I&Z – 40.56 = 35.70 + 4.86 (COC)
8. M&K – 38.46 = 33.00 + 5.46 (SC)
9. S&K – 29.54 = 27.00 + 2.54 (NHK Trophy)

FD Skating Skills:
1. I&Z – 8.57 (COR – at home)
2. I&Z – 8.39 (GPF)
3. S&K – 7.89 (COR – at home)
4. S&B – 7.79 (SA)
5. M&K – 7.61 (NHK Trophy)
6. M&K – 7.54 (SC)
7. S&B – 7.50 (COR – at home)
8. I&Z – 7.50 (COC)
9. S&K – 6.96 (NHK Trophy)

FD Component score:
1. I&Z – 52.06 (COR – at home)
2. I&Z – 50.40 (GPF)
3. S&K – 48.14 (COR – at home)
4. S&B – 46.36 (SA)
5. I&Z – 45.66 (COC)
6. M&K – 45.60 (NHK Trophy)
7. M&K – 45.40 (SC)
8. S&B – 45.12 (COR – at home)
9. S&K – 40.83 (NHK Trophy)

Overall score from Grand Prix:
1. I&Z – 160.43 (COR – at home)
2. I&Z – 156.46 (GPF)
3. M&K – 152.54 (NHK Trophy)
4. S&K – 147.55 (COR – at home)
5. I&Z – 144.70 (COC)
6. S&B – 143.87 (SA)
7. S&B – 143.51 (COR – at home)
8. M&K – 143.48 (SC)
9. S&K – 122.31 (NHK Trophy)

If you compare placement in Grand Prix standings:
1. &Z – 6th place
2. M&K - 7th place
3. S&B - 10th place
4. S&K - 18th place.

If you compare World Standings:
…Which is not really fair to new couples because it takes into account last three seasons – Grand Prix, European and World Champs, B-competitions (new couples have zero points for last two previous seasons)…
1. M&K are on 18th place
2. S&B on 23th place
3. I&Z on 50th place
4. S&K are on 67th place.

Season World Rankings (with Grand Prix and B – competitions):
1. M&K – 11th place (2 Grand Prix events + Ice Stars in Minsk)
2. S&B – 12th place (2 Grand Prix events + Finlandia Trophy)
3. I&Z – 14th place (COR + GPF…Grand Prix in China is not counted, because only 2 Grand Prix events with the highest points are taken into account)
4. S&K – 27th place (2 Grand Prix events)

Until this moment S&K are the only ones who don’t have Technical minimum from FD needed for World Championships.

I realise that this comparing is not 100% perfect, because marks especially Component score are not the same at different competitions.
Also in my opinion (based on my analysis from Grand Prix) all couples were not judged equally even at the same competitions.

With Bobrova & Soloviev out of Nationals, the couples will have more chance to fight for medal, but only first and second place will guarantee trip to European Championships. The vision of Russian National title will put more stress to all couples because they never fight for the first place sooner (or they have new partners).

So to speak all couples have nothing to loose, so I hope to see many great programs and dances.

Few words to work of some commentators from this season’s Grand Prix… I know that Marina Zueva’s propaganda was huge, but I don’t think that it is really necessary for commentators to try to put down other couple’s reputation just to make Vika & Nikita look better.

The commentators comments….
At NHK Trophy before SD: “Sinitsina & Katsalapov – the most beautiful Russian dance couple who also compete for getting into the Grand Prix Final… “… (their first placement was 4th place at Cup of Russia)…

…at the same competition before SD started: “Monko & Khaliavin…they not very successfully competed at Grand Prix in Canada where they finished on 4th place – they allowed Weaver & Poje, Gilles & Poirier and Hubell & Donohue to surpass them. “

At Cup of Russia after Ilinykh & Zhiganshin’s SD the commentator started to talk that while Vika & Nikita skated FD at practise, Lena & Ruslan skated SD…that there are more reasons, but maybe because they didn’t want to show the same dance (both FD or SD) to allow to make any comparison until the competition.

Then the commentator continued: ”Kids (Lena and Ruslan) already competed this season…after not very successful SD they finished at 4 place overall at Cup of China last week.”

And then the commentator spend another 50 SECONDS EXPLAINING that LENA & RUSLAN are MISSING fire inside and deep emotions, that they are cold inside.

I understand that not every human one likes Carmen by I&Z, it is normal, we are all different people with different taste, but to try to say that Lena & Ruslan are missing deep emotions and fire, especially in SD, is really hardly acceptable by anyone having eyes and not being blind. (But the same commentator told that Vika & Nikita’s SD is ”so passsionate Spain”.)

The funny thing is that all those three couple got 4th place at their opening Grand Prix, but while in case of M&K and I&Z it was poor result with not succesful performances, S&K’s 4th place was ”on a road towards Grand Prix Final”.

I realise that commentators are human ones but they are paid for being professionals and for making professional comments. I would like to see more professional work at least at Nationals and next big competitions. (I much more prefer to hear what Levels the couple got if the commentators have nothing else less biased to tell.)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCOcNdIX_Y
Video interview with Sinitsina & Katsalapov and many shots from their practise.

If you would expect that media will make a video interview with for example European Champion and Silver World Medalist Lipnitskaya, Olympic and World Silver Medalists Stolbova & Klimov, ex European Champions and World Medalists Kavaguti & Smirnov, European Silver Medalist Voronov, Grand Prix winner Kovtun or Radionova or Pogorilaya, Grand Prix Final winner Tukhtamysheva….Grand Prix medalists Ilinykh & Zhiganshin or Monko & Khaliavin or Stepanova & Bukin….NO, the media did an interview with Sinitsina & Katsalapov only, showing their practise shots only…so at least we have an image who is once again the most important for media…
 
Marina is doing what she is best in and that is doing PR. Maybe the Russian judges will fall for it, but as of now the international judges didn`t. I don`t think that the Russian Fed is this stupid to let a couple like I/Z, who medalled in their first season together and are getting higher PCS than already established couples, at home. At COR they could have easily giving S/K better PCS than I/Z, but they didn`t. We should just wait and see what happens.
 
sisinka said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCOcNdIX_Y
Video interview with Sinitsina & Katsalapov and many shots from their practise.

If you would expect that media will make a video interview with for example European Champion and Silver World Medalist Lipnitskaya, Olympic and World Silver Medalists Stolbova & Klimov, ex European Champions and World Medalists Kavaguti & Smirnov, European Silver Medalist Voronov, Grand Prix winner Kovtun or Radionova or Pogorilaya, Grand Prix Final winner Tukhtamysheva….Grand Prix medalists Ilinykh & Zhiganshin or Monko & Khaliavin or Stepanova & Bukin….NO, the media did an interview with Sinitsina & Katsalapov only, showing their practise shots only…so at least we have an image who is once again the most important for media…
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You sound so bitter. It's not as if this media coverage will help their scores. And they're skating first, which is probably going to make them even more nervous.
 
adelia said:
You sound so bitter. It's not as if this media coverage will help their scores. And they're skating first, which is probably going to make them even more nervous.
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I don't think we have to read that much into an interview. The media wants viewership and beauty attracts. Yes it is shallow, but this will only further motivate the other competitors. I wouldn't give it a second thought.
 
adelia said:
You sound so bitter. ....
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I am watching figure skating for many years….and I remember videos and interviews of skaters before competitions almost every time at Russian TV…there was always some interviews with top skaters or hot favourites…but it was based on the results…

I am also watching all surroundings in media with Zueva and S&K…so this video is another piece into a Puzzle…

adelia said:
It's not as if this media coverage will help their scores. And they're skating first, which is probably going to make them even more nervous.
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If some person or persons spend time to persuade media that Vika & Nikita needs such propaganda (despite the fact that the couple is entering the competiton being the less succesful couple at Grand Prix)…you can only expect that this energy went into all directions, not only towards media…

As to starting order…
SD at Russian Nationals 2013/14 – 1. Pushkash, 2. Bobrova, 3. Stepanova….
Monko & Khaliavin were opening SD in 2011/12 season…
…it simply happens….
(Btw both new couples if qualifying will start from low group numbers at European Championships because of World Standings.)

All couples were training hard and this years Russian Nationals will really great battle in all cathegories. But I somehow expected to see ice battle, not off ice battle. Do you really think that other couples don’t realise that Sinitsina & Katsalapov’s propaganda is at every competition and over a top not based on skating or results?

Do you really think that other couples will skate less nervous that S&K knowing that there is once again a big support for S&K?

Propaganda at Cup of Russia is very well known.

At NHK Trophy the propaganda for Vika & Nikita was once again sooo visible that even Zhulin was pretty angry with it…the journalist Vaitsekhovskaya noticed during last practise before SD Russian Federation members were interested in S&K only, completely ignoring the fact that they have another Russian couple there – M&K. http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/51361/

And now instead of some Dance recapitulation or overall competition recapitulation of all cathegories….we have once again Vika & Nikita only. What do you expect that people can think…
 
bramweld said:
I don't think we have to read that much into an interview. The media wants viewership and beauty attracts. Yes it is shallow, but this will only further motivate the other competitors. I wouldn't give it a second thought.
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Russian skating has many beauties, I think...:)

I agree with your point of view, and in some moment I absolutely agree...if other couples want to get their deserved places they must be twice as good as some others, yes.

But what I don't take like fair situation is the fact that some sportsmen's journeys are more easy than other ones. But what did Stepanova, Monko or Ilinykh worse in their preparation that their couples have more difficult journey than Vika & Nikita? Usually you gain support with help of great results or great quality of skating...based on what has Vika & Nikita better support than other couples here?
 
sisinka said:
I am watching figure skating for many years….and I remember videos and interviews of skaters before competitions almost every time at Russian TV…there was always some interviews with top skaters or hot favourites…but it was based on the results…

I am also watching all surroundings in media with Zueva and S&K…so this video is another piece into a Puzzle…



If some person or persons spend time to persuade media that Vika & Nikita needs such propaganda (despite the fact that the couple is entering the competiton being the less succesful couple at Grand Prix)…you can only expect that this energy went into all directions, not only towards media…

As to starting order…
SD at Russian Nationals 2013/14 – 1. Pushkash, 2. Bobrova, 3. Stepanova….
Monko & Khaliavin were opening SD in 2011/12 season…
…it simply happens….
(Btw both new couples if qualifying will start from low group numbers at European Championships because of World Standings.)

All couples were training hard and this years Russian Nationals will really great battle in all cathegories. But I somehow expected to see ice battle, not off ice battle. Do you really think that other couples don’t realise that Sinitsina & Katsalapov’s propaganda is at every competition and over a top not based on skating or results?

Do you really think that other couples will skate less nervous that S&K knowing that there is once again a big support for S&K?

Propaganda at Cup of Russia is very well known.

At NHK Trophy the propaganda for Vika & Nikita was once again sooo visible that even Zhulin was pretty angry with it…the journalist Vaitsekhovskaya noticed during last practise before SD Russian Federation members were interested in S&K only, completely ignoring the fact that they have another Russian couple there – M&K. http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/51361/

And now instead of some Dance recapitulation or overall competition recapitulation of all cathegories….we have once again Vika & Nikita only. What do you expect that people can think…
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I understand what you are saying, but all that PR didn`t help S/K with the international judges. I think the way I/Z are handling this is very wise and mature. Since they started their partnership they focussed on working hard and did less PR than S/K. The result of this were placements that exceeded any expectations the Russian Fed had. I think most people thought that international judges would prefer S/K over I/Z, but the first round went clearly to I/Z, regardless of how much PR Zueva did.
 
sisinka said:
I am watching figure skating for many years….and I remember videos and interviews of skaters before competitions almost every time at Russian TV…there was always some interviews with top skaters or hot favourites…but it was based on the results…

I am also watching all surroundings in media with Zueva and S&K…so this video is another piece into a Puzzle…



If some person or persons spend time to persuade media that Vika & Nikita needs such propaganda (despite the fact that the couple is entering the competiton being the less succesful couple at Grand Prix)…you can only expect that this energy went into all directions, not only towards media…

As to starting order…
SD at Russian Nationals 2013/14 – 1. Pushkash, 2. Bobrova, 3. Stepanova….
Monko & Khaliavin were opening SD in 2011/12 season…
…it simply happens….
(Btw both new couples if qualifying will start from low group numbers at European Championships because of World Standings.)

All couples were training hard and this years Russian Nationals will really great battle in all cathegories. But I somehow expected to see ice battle, not off ice battle. Do you really think that other couples don’t realise that Sinitsina & Katsalapov’s propaganda is at every competition and over a top not based on skating or results?

Do you really think that other couples will skate less nervous that S&K knowing that there is once again a big support for S&K?

Propaganda at Cup of Russia is very well known.

At NHK Trophy the propaganda for Vika & Nikita was once again sooo visible that even Zhulin was pretty angry with it…the journalist Vaitsekhovskaya noticed during last practise before SD Russian Federation members were interested in S&K only, completely ignoring the fact that they have another Russian couple there – M&K. http://winter.sport-express.ru/figureskating/reviews/51361/

And now instead of some Dance recapitulation or overall competition recapitulation of all cathegories….we have once again Vika & Nikita only. What do you expect that people can think…
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You need to chill. Who knows what the other couples think about all this media coverage. Maybe they don't like it or maybe they prefer to fly under the radar. Who knows, certainly not you or me. As for S/K skating first, there is no need to explain to me what the starting order at previous nationals was, I have no issues with the skating order.
 
Or maybe the other couples and their coaches prefer to focus their time and energy on the actual skating and let results talk for them.
Let's be relaxed and await the competition itself :)
 
starlight97 said:
Or maybe the other couples and their coaches prefer to focus their time and energy on the actual skating and let results talk for them.
Let's be relaxed and await the competition itself :)
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This is the truth I believe. Let Zueva and SinKats have all the media exposure they want.
 
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