2016 Rostelecom Cup - Ladies SP

[pororocheburashka]

Look at the protocols:
PCS

Judge n.5 Ms. Wendy ENZMANN from USA

is overscoring (compared to all other judges) the three Russians and Courtney Hicks
and it's not using the same criteria when is scoring the other competitors.

 

[berry8]

Osmond is a strong skater: She is as good as Pogo and Gracie.
Quit saying that she doesn'y deserve high scores!!!

 

[andromache]

Can we talk about Elena's -3T on the backend of her combo? It definitely looked UR to me in the slow-mo close-up, and I'm usually not super picky about these things.

 

[sneakers]

Everyone is still up in arms about Kaetlyn at SC but where exactly does she not deserve her scores? Her jumps were big with full rotation, ice coverage was excellent, she was extremely fast (fastest of all the ladies there, I was in the arena) with lots of transitions, all the spins were fast and she got level 4's on everything. People want to say she has no reputation but performances are meant to be scored on how they performed at the time, not based on reputation. She has a huge presence on ice and performed her heart out, making lots of eye contact and projecting to the audience. Even if she got a ! on the 3Lz (I sat where her 3Lz is and it was just barely, not flat enough to be called) she would still be in the 70's.

Tuktamysheva barely had any choreography or transitions, a less difficult layout, lesser spins to Kaetlyn and her ice coverage left a lot to be desired, she deserved to be below Rika Hongo at Skate Canada.

with PCS higher than Anna, Mao ? lol
Osmond never makes a clean free skate how did she got that over scored 206 score ? I guess they want to prop her for a GPF slot.....

 

[andromache]

I bet if Evgenia was compete at CoR and got the same scores like at SC - you will do the same, blaming her for homeinflated.
But I will say this:

Russians ladies - the best in the world. Question is solved.

You can cry and screaming

Bragging about "Russian ladies" like they're all the same seems somewhat nationalistic to me :disapp:. You know that these women are more than their nationality, right? Let's try talking about their skating instead.

 

[OS]

Argghh... why i keep missing the competition this year... Well I never!!!!

Who'd have guessed Russian 1, 2, 3 at Rostelecom Cup!

Yeah ~ Anna Leads. Looks like Zijun had a good skate, can't wait to see everyone's program! PCS sure makes a difference.. or lack of. Nice one Julia for holdin onto 3rd for the former Olympic Champion.

 

[berry8]

Can we talk about Elena's -3T on the backend of her combo? It definitely looked UR to me in the slow-mo close-up, and I'm usually not super picky about these things.

It was indeed.

In Canada she would have scored 54

 

[Sugarpova]

Except for Zijun. She will never get overinflated scores to even out her underscorings ...

I already wrote that I think she can have better scores if she's consistent but yeah you're right she's not having massive backing from her Fed like some ladies do

 

[sneakers]

Lmao aren't you guys tired of the **** measuring about home coocking
Every GP has it deal with it
bc Someone who's overscored here are sure to be underscored somewhere else & then those same ppl would justify it as fair

home cooking , there and everywhere....
it was going to happen, the ones complaining about it are the ones being hypocrites

lets backtrack to Skate America and Skate Canada results...

 

[OS]

Kanako MURAKAMI... what happened to you this year!??!! :curse:

 

[Violet Bliss]

Osmond is stepping up in the world. :yay: She's threat enough to be brought up in unrelated threads for disparaging.

 

[pororocheburashka]

I already wrote that I think she can have better scores if she's consistent but yeah you're right she's not having massive backing from her Fed like some ladies do

I agree with you.
topic: Are you really from Marshall Islands? Not many figure skating there

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

want to make bets why Satoko, Hanyu were lowballed. even C/B almost lost silver; It wasn't at Rostelecom
hmmmm....

Osmond is not a 70+s girl, that's for sure
her 132 in FS which was more over scored than even counting Gracie Gold's :shocked:

Hah, okay there. That's a pretty lonely boat you're in, thinking Osmond isn't worthy of 70+.

Osmond's PCS in her SC FS probably should have been more like 65 instead of 67, but it still would have been over 130 - at least she landed 5 triples, including a gorgeous triple-triple combo. And at least the result was fair with her placing second. It's not like when Julia was propped up to win Rostelecom over Kostner. http://www.isuresults.com/results/gprus2013/gprus2013_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

 

[berry8]

Kanako MURAKAMI... what happened to you this year!??!! :curse:

I don't know... She seems off this year.
I think she should just give up

 

[sabinfire]

Osmond is stepping up in the world. :yay: She's threat enough to be brought up in unrelated threads for disparaging.

I feel honoured to have attended such an infamous event last weekend.

TBH, I'd rather forget all about though...

 

[MaiKatze]

Can we talk about Elena's -3T on the backend of her combo? It definitely looked UR to me in the slow-mo close-up, and I'm usually not super picky about these things.

Elena really, really has to work on her jumps. It's great that she's able to land them, but outside of Russia I don't think she'll be treated that kindly. I think this year is important. Not as important as next year, but the ladies are slowly moving into the positions for the Olympic games. Elena has to make sure she will make it to Europeans and Worlds this year. Tuktamysheva and Lipnitskaia look ready to attack. One thing is sure, it's going to be exciting.

All in all, I think this ladies event was scored justly. It wasn't as homeinflated as I thought for the local girls. Just compare that to the men's event. Look at the scores Shoma and Javier and Mikhail got. I think the men were treated much more kindly than the ladies tonight. And two of them weren't russian.

 

[Krunchii]

with PCS higher than Anna, Mao ? lol
Osmond never makes a clean free skate how did she got that over scored 206 score ? I guess they want to prop her for a GPF slot.....

Why are your replies so vague and full of comparisons, point out to me exactly when she needs to be deducted. I am a Mao and Anna fan but Mao is injured right now and not performing up to full potential, plus she's not as fast and doesn't have as many transitions right now which is hurting her. Once her knee injury heals and she is performing to her full potential her PCS will be higher. Kaetlyn packs her program just as much as any Russian lady, she projects super well, moves big and fast and interpreted her programs well. And guess what, in the arena, I had Medvedeva there for me to compare her to, the current #1 in the world. Kaetlyn isn't lacking in any area except for consistency.

What federation doesn't want to prop up their skater who skates well for a GPF spot? They propped up Elena here over Yulia because she has a chance at a GPF spot while Yulia doesn't. Why are you bringing up her history of clean skates? PCS is not supposed to be a reputation mark, people have just gotten too used to it being a reputation mark and think it only needs to go up when a skater has a history clean skates. She was overscored in the LP but she deserved her 2nd place spot.

EDIT: I'm done talking about Kaetlyn Osmond in this thread, she shouldn't be coming up here anyway and people are probably tired of listening to it.

 

[Alex D]

First thoughts

I sadly can´t write a full review, as I have to work in a bit and a few hundred people want to be entertained there. Still, I can not leave without a few words about our wonderful Ladies! I felt that this was a great Ladies competition, as just one lady had a minor fall after her Axel. My absolute favorite was Yulia and she is proving me right in everything that I said about her 5 years ago.

Back then, I said that if she grows into a woman, that she will have what it takes to really shine and be much better than the "young Yulia". I love her natural approach to the sport, she is a great artist and has wonderful extensions and a very sensitive and yet powerful way of skating. For me, she is far from just a spinning lady, she has so much heart to give and this you can see when she is skating. Don´t get me wrong, I loved Yulia as a kid, her Schindlers List was amazing, but I like the lady much more and I am so happy that she kept going and didn´t throw the towel.

Her programs have so matured and similar can be said about Elena, who skated very well and showed her sexy and naughty side today. Anna, had a wonderful attack in her stepsequence, she was flying and had huge jumps and I also felt that Courtney skated really well and of course Angelina. I was a bit sad about our lady from Armenia, Anastasia. She skated so wonderful and I love her style on the ice, but I guess she lost her Flip, therefore the low score. Still, to do what she did takes a lot of guts, she was so brave and performed wonderful, after all the other skated amazingly well, my second favorite skate today.

I would had liked a higher score for the Chinese and Kanako too, they are so fun to watch and those smiles by the Japanese, she is such a darling! Nicole sold her program really well, but she also had an UR there me thinks, but she has really improved so much over the years, wonderful skater.


Overall, very enjoyable to watch and I am very happy with the Ladies this season, they are considering what I always say "get on the ice and show what you got, be proud and confident, skate for the audience - life is too short to worry about it". We are so blessed with talent these days and the kids from yesterday, are growing up and I love that.

Thanks everyone, until tomorrow

 

[mrrice]

with PCS higher than Anna, Mao ? lol
Osmond never makes a clean free skate how did she got that over scored 206 score ? I guess they want to prop her for a GPF slot.....

I don't like these discussions that take place later in the season than the one we're discussing and here's why. In my experience as a Judge, we were OFTEN told that numbers from an earlier event ( In this case Skate Canada ) were too low and needed to be "Bumped Up". I can imagine that the inflated scores from the SP at this event will be a topic of discussion amongst the judges going into the next GP event. At this rate Shoma is going to score around 110.00 points. He's a great jumper but the judges need to be realistic with their scores.

 

[sneakers]

Hah, okay there. That's a pretty lonely boat you're in, thinking Osmond isn't worthy of 70+.

Osmond's PCS in her SC FS probably should have been more like 65 instead of 67, but it still would have been over 130 - at least she landed 5 triples, including a gorgeous triple-triple combo. And at least the result was fair with her placing second. It's not like when Julia was propped up to win Rostelecom over Kostner. http://www.isuresults.com/results/gprus2013/gprus2013_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

hmmm, do you think Osmond will score like that in another grand prix ?
she last did well in a grand prix was in 2012, at skate canada winning gold !