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I guess, the only way to judge about that is to wait for pairs. If there are the Russians or the Chinese finishing the last group of FS will the crowd behave the same as with ladies (Gold&Wagner) or men (Chan)?

As for me, I was in Sochi and felt embarrassed about Ra-sse-yaa! during the ladies SP. I could attribute it then to our losing to Finland in hockey quarterfinal just an hour before the competition started. Being a part of the hockey crowd I myself felt the biggest disappointment. Still did not agree with the crowd's behavior. As for yesterday, I did notice that the crowd was much more silent after the spectacular Anna's performance than after.... well some less spectacular ones.

Good point about Pairs as there will be less bias nationality-wise (sorry, but I cannot imagine an US team on the podium) but again, I wouldn't use it as a complete measure of the crowd. IMO Pairs don't have that much of a fanbase in the US (compared to the Ladies), so the people going there might be entirely different bunch...

With regards to hockey fans: I was at the final game of the 2015 ice hockey WC between Canada and Russia and russian fans showed more respect to the winners then their team (you know, they stayed for the anthem whereas the team did not)....
 
We all knew Gracie was gonna get a fat PCS sandwich. No need to go there.

I think the only real scoring travesty is Zijun not making the final group. She went flawless and scored less than Mirai somehow who had a massively flawed 3-3. Apparently less than stellar Mirai trumps top notch Zijun. I don't like it one bit. I'd have scored her into the last group for sure.

Well I guess Amy Lin deserved a better score too but I already saw her get lowballed for her amazing SP in Colorado Springs JGP so I expected nothing less. Still a bummer though.

Gabby was a real firecracker and I hope she goes clean and gets rewarded but apparently you need at least one UR jump to see your PCS get a boost :drama:
 
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We all knew Gracie was gonna get a fat PCS sandwich. No need to go there.

Gabby was a real firecracker and I hope if she goes clean and gets rewarded but apparently you need at least one UR jump to see your PCS get a boost :drama:

No what you need is the right 3 letters after your name - then you get a nice PCS boost and missed UR and lip calls!
 
A lot of people here seem to despise Medvedeva's SP but I actually think it's different in a good way like it starts out really calm and graceful unlike every other programs that start with aggresive back crossovers and very nervous 3-3 combo and girl never fails to sell it too. And Gold's score absolutely don't deserve to be higher than Evgenia since both had poor landings out of their first jumps, well Gracie's was slightly better but still she's a robot with a stiff body and no musicality at all whereas Zhenia makes me feel really emotional every time she skates.
Overall ladies' competition feels like a joke because of the blatant home cooking but I guess USA is so hungry for a world medal after 10 years without podium that they have to resort to corruption and home inflation :disapp: I just wish Mirai and Rika to do well since one was left out from the home inflation and other is grossly underrated.
 
Amy Lin! :clap: Rajicova! :clap: Daleman! :cool: Mirai! :yes2: Mao! :clap: Ashley! :rock: Rika! :rock: and Pooogooo!!! :luv17::rock: All stole my heart!
 
A lot of people here seem to despise Medvedeva's SP but I actually think it's different in a good way like it starts out really calm and graceful unlike every other programs that start with aggresive back crossovers and very nervous 3-3 combo and girl never fails to sell it too. And Gold's score absolutely don't deserve to be higher than Evgenia since both had poor landings out of their first jumps, well Gracie's was slightly better but still she's a robot with a stiff body and no musicality at all whereas Zhenia makes me feel really emotional every time she skates.
Overall ladies' competition feels like a joke because of the blatant home cooking but I guess USA is so hungry for a world medal after 10 years without podium that they have to resort to corruption and home inflation :disapp: I just wish Mirai and Rika to do well since one was left out from the home inflation and other is grossly underrated.

Believe it or not, Gracie and Ashley skated clean and deserved very good scores. I'd hardly call it corruption, though yeah, home inflation is a thing. Judges become infected by the emotion around them. Which I think is exactly what happened in Sochi. Winning the crowd is important in a subjective sport, and it's easier to do in front of a home audience. C'est la vie. Judges are influenced by the emotion of the crowd and it works its way into PCS. This isn't news. Sometimes it'll help your faves and sometimes it'll hurt them. But because it's hurting your fave this one time doesn't mean skating is corrupt all of a sudden.

Let's also remember that although PCS is divided into separate categories, judges rarely seem to consider them as separate categories and score them fairly uniformly. Gracie doesn't deserve a very high interpretation score any more than some other skaters deserve a great SS score when they're good at everything else. Gracie has among the best skating skills of all the ladies, rivaled only by Mao and Adelina (and Mao doesn't have the speed of Gracie or Adelina even though her edge quality is very good.)
 
We will see how this will turn out once the FS have been skated but at the moment most likely scenario is the one where Boston 2016 will be by far the most corrupted skating event.

The most corrupt skating event was most likely Salt Lake Olympics 2002 followed by Sochi. Boston 2016 is not even in the running. We re talking maybe just a few points too high on gracie's PCS. That should hardly be considered corrupt.
 
The most corrupt skating event was most likely Salt Lake Olympics 2002 followed by Sochi. Boston 2016 is not even in the running. We re talking maybe just a few points too high on gracie's PCS. That should hardly be considered corrupt.

agreed, and home cooking happens everywhere... the most corrupt event was def Sochi, uuugh dont even remind me of that one cuz it stils get me mad how nothing even happened even after all those petitions... but seriously last nights ladies short must be one of the best lad shorts of all time. I cant remember seing so many clean shorts! i was litteraly screaming at home when Gracie nailed it! :)
 
For top 6 (Gracie, Anna, Evgenia, Ashley, Elena, Satoko)

[Base Value]
1. Evgneia - 33.10 (3F(x), 2A(x), 3Lo+3T(x) / Spins lv 4-4-4 / Step lv 4)
2. Elena - 33.06 (3Lz+3T, 3F(x), 2A(x) / Spins lv 4-4-4 / Step lv 4)
3. Gracie - 32.76 (3Lz+3T, 3F(!)(x), 2A(x) / Spins lv 3-4-4 / Step lv 4)
4. Anna - 32.00 (3Lz+3T, 3Lo, 2A / Spins lv 4-4-4 / Step lv 4)
5. Ashley - 31.34 (3F+3T, 2A(x), 3Lo(x) / Spins lv 4-4-4 / Step lv 3)
6. Satoko - 31.30 (3Lz+3T, 3F<(!)(x), 2A(x) / Spins lv 4-4-4 / Step lv 4)

[Total GOE]
1. Anna - 7.77 :agree:
2. Gracie - 7.75
3. Ashley - 7.09
4. Evgenia - 6.83
5. Satoko - 5.91
6. Elena - 5.23

[Jumps] : Total score (BV + GOE)
1. Ashley - 22.07 (18.84 + 3.23) :shocked: :luv17:
2. Graice - 21.93 (19.76 + 2.17)
3. Evgenia - 21.80 (19.80 + 2.00)
4. Anna - 21.63 (18.60 + 3.03)
5. Elena - 20.39 (19.76 + 0.63)
6. Satoko - 18.67 (18.00 + 0.67)

[Non-jump elements] : Total score (BV + GOE)
1. Gracie - 18.58 (13.00 + 5.58)
2. Satoko - 18.54 (13.30 + 5.24)
3. Anna - 18.14 (13.30 + 4.84)
4. Evgenia - 18.13 (13.30 + 4.83)
5. Elena - 17.90 (13.30 + 4.60)
6. Ashley - 16.36 (12.50 + 3.86) :palmf:


Ashley's problem (compared to other skaters) mostly comes from her non-jump elements, especially the step sequence. She is the only one among top 6 who didn't get level 4 on step sq. Had she got level 4 on her step sq, her score would have been 74+. She really needs to improve her step sequence! Her step sequence may be sassy and fun to watch but obviously lacks the edge quality and (especially) speed.... I'm saying this as a big, big fan of her because at first I thought she deserved to be in 3rd or even 2nd place but then after I checked the protocol, I kind of agreed with the overall results (except Graice's PCS :P).

Excellent report. Thanks!
 
Well after years of reading posts where posters have stated 'let's forgo the free skate and just hand the gold medal to Chan' - I think it is fair to say now 'Let's just hand the Gold to Gold!' With this lead and her overscored PCS she can make a couple errors in the free and still come out on top.
My worse fear is that now that she is world champ - no one will have a shot. She will be there winning everything until the next Olympics. The US has been pushing for a USA lady to win back Olympic Gold for a long time now and I think this is the start of the run for it.

Good grief, anything can and probably will happen in the FS. 3 pts. is hardly a non-surmountable lead. Gracie is known for her inconsistency, just this one performance doesn't all of a sudden make her able to win everything to the next olympics!
 
@ Sackie:


You're making an awful lot of unwarranted assumptions.

The spread between the top 6 skaters is all of 5 and a half points. Any of these skaters could end up on top. There's no way Gracie "could make a couple errors" in the Free and be assured of victory - at least one of the other contenders is likely skate a clean program. Her PCS are not that much better than the other top skaters, and if she doesn't skate cleanly her PCS will suffer, as they have in other competitions, such as 4CC.

"Now that she's world champ"?? Did they run the Free Skate when I wasn't looking? And she's going to win everything from now to the next Olympics? All credit to Gracie for skating a clean SP here, but I'd want to see her put two clean programs together just once at an important competition before I'd start assuming she's gonna win everything for the next two seasons.

I wish her good luck in the Free. But let's be real.
 
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I didn´t want to comment in this thread again, but I dislike your statement there. Do you remember Sochi, do you remember petitions, YT hate videos, blogs full of anti Sotnikova and Anti Russia, threats to federation and skaters? All coming from people not being at the event?
It is common that people commentate about events, even if they were not there in person and before it was ok, now it´s wrong? You criticize a simple observation, that is not rude, mean or of any caliber of what people did after Sochi, which is your right and I agree to some extend with you, as video feeds are different, but I feel it´s wrong to silence people just because they were not there, especially if nobody was as rude or disrespectful as the Sochi haters back then and still are.

It seems hard to understand, but what people pointed out is just a minor critique about what the crowd did, this is not a nuclear attack and nobody has stolen the Statue of Liberty either. I wish American fans (your from the UK I know) would support Gracie more and not bring up their "revenge for Sochi" now with all this trash talk, or act so offended, just because of opinions about crowd behavior. Many people who were at the event clearly mentioned that they were disappointed by the crowd, other felt the crowd was fair and supportive.

We do have two different views and the opinions from those watching the video feed and maybe I jumped the gun too early, with what I noticed on the ISU stream, I am not free of mistakes either, but then how do you explain the comments of those who were there, noting similar things? Why can we not just accept this differential reception and move on? This great competition deserves better, do not let us fight because of different tastes and expectations. I was disappointed, you were not, other were, others were not... I believe the live feedback from people like Karne (sorry buddy for mentioning you again), shows that the same event can be witnessed differently and that´s just how it is.

In the end, to me it seems that this whole "East vs. West" is still in peoples head and that it comes out now again. It´s not even about the skating anymore, it´s pure fighting about a simple and at no times meant to be rude, critique, a critique that comes up a lot in sports and honestly people in Germany or France have some really bad manners at times, something I say as a German who is a lot in Paris. People are not mean, they are just what they are and I am sure that Russians might also have these stories to tell. Nobody of those commenting, said anything rude or horribly bad about Americans or the people at Boston, how some of you can get worked up so much about this is not understandable to me and sad, as all that energy that you guys leave here, should go into the fan threads of Gracie, Mirai and Ashley, something that I will focus on now as well.

Humans are different in what they do, those at Boston paid a lot of money for the tickets and no matter what some of us might call the "etiquette" of a fan, they will do what they want and that we now fight because of their behavior is silly. I also want to tell a story about Worlds in Canada last year (soccer). We had a very tight access to some of the stadiums and while we officials were there much earlier, the fans at times came 20 or 30 minutes late to the matches. ;) Reasons might be different than we think they are, we should all take a chill pill if you ask me and talk again about the skating.

In my opinion and maybe it´s an unpopular request, I would delete all the posts, including my other two from this thread where I replied to people and only keep the actual skating reports in here. In the past 10 or 15 pages, we did not discuss the sport, but human behavior it´s crazy.

I apologize for sounding a bit "angry", I hope you don´t see this as a personal attack. As said, I didn´t want to write here again, as I felt misunderstood and in the middle of a war, so see this reply as my final statement in that matter and for future analysis, I welcome everyone at the fan threads, where I will post my thoughts with Gracie and Anna already published. I wish you a wonderful day at Boston and great fun with the future competitions and I am sorry if anyone felt offended ;)

Agreed! This all started with the thought that Gracie's PCS was 2-3 pts too high. That then went into conversation about scoring and the judges and then went to a Russia-USA conversation. Crazy.
 
I wish I could just learn my lesson and stay out of the ladies competition threads. Always drama no matter what, I think people were prepared to complain about Gracie (and to a lesser extent Ashley) being overstored regardless of what happened on the ice. While perhaps Gracie was slightly over marked, I don't understand those who are claiming Ashley's score was national inflation, as her score seemed entirely deserved.
 
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Well after years of reading posts where posters have stated 'let's forgo the free skate and just hand the gold medal to Chan' - I think it is fair to say now 'Let's just hand the Gold to Gold!' With this lead and her overscored PCS she can make a couple errors in the free and still come out on top.
My worse fear is that now that she is world champ - no one will have a shot. She will be there winning everything until the next Olympics. The US has been pushing for a USA lady to win back Olympic Gold for a long time now and I think this is the start of the run for it.

Sochi 2.0?

I bet Yuna Kim would not let that happen and let undesirables make a travesty of the Ladies' Competition that she fought so hard for the Olympics to get held in South Korea.
 
I wish I could just learn my lesson and stay out of the ladies competition threads. Always drama no matter what, I think people were prepared to complain about Gracie (and to a lesser extent Ashley) being overstored regardless of what happened on the ice. While perhaps Gracie was slightly over marked, I don't understand those who are claiming Ashkey's score was national inflation, as her score seemed entirely deserved.


Agreed.
 
I wish I could just learn my lesson and stay out of the ladies competition threads. Always drama no matter what, I think people were prepared to complain about Gracie (and to a lesser extent Ashley) being overstored regardless of what happened on the ice. While perhaps Gracie was slightly over marked, I don't understand those who are claiming Ashley's score was national inflation, as her score seemed entirely deserved.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but I just love my ladies so much! And I want to celebrate with my fellow fans when our fave headcases skate clean!
 
I'm wondering how the US managed to pull off all this alleged "corruption" and favoritism, as there was no American on the tech panel and no American on the judges panel. I think the tech referee was American, but if I understand correctly, the referee doesn't make the tech calls, the rest of the tech panel does. The data operator was American, but I'm pretty sure if anyone was messing with the data input, that would be discovered very quickly.

Here's a refresher on the panels in case anyone is interested.


Ladies Tech Panel

Ref - Tanger - USA
TC - Barbacci Levy - SWI
TS - Uimonen - FIN
ATS - Martynov - UKR


Ladies SP Judging Panel
1. Prokop - SVK
2. Na Young Ahn - KOR
3. Szilagyi - HUN
4. Baudysova -CZE
5. Van Gerwen-Maas - NED
6. Senft - CAN
7. Binz-oser - SWI
8. Pizzocari - ITA
9. Kurri - FIN
 
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I would have put Pogo first then Wagner, Med, Gold, Hongo / Rod, Miyahara. Gold overscored on tech and PCS and Med on PCS.
 
I like the powerful skaters, I guess. Maybe Gracie is no dancer on ice but she has good presentation skills and skating skills. I don't get the assumption that she was overstored on tech. She was clean except for the ! on the flip. I understand those who believe she could have been overstored on PCS. I also enjoyed Anna a lot and would have no problem with her being in first. Ashley knows how to sell a program and projects well. I liked her attitude and determination. Those three were the highlight for me.
 
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