2017-2018 Programs by Discipline

[Ice Dance]

Of course, I am sure that Virtue/Moir's SD idea has nothing to do with any of that.

Are you saying there may not be a great deep meaning behind their Latin SD?:shocked:

I don't know the song, but at least it's not Hip Hip, Chin Chin so I am prepared to be open minded.

I am honestly more disturbed by the Cha, Cha, Cha, Blah, Blah, Blah piece that Lajoie & Lagha are skating to. I don't know if I find the lyrics offensive or just bizarre. Why would one want to skate to lyrics that come off sounding as though they are proclaiming how blah the style of the music/program is? (I don't find the program poor at all, but I really dislike the song).

 

[NAOTMAA]

How many Moulin Rouge programs are there this year Of all the great Hollywood musicals skaters chose one of the most overrated and unimaginative :disagree: I'd rather see more Disney or Fiddler on the Roof and Singin in the Rain

How about Carousel? Gigi? A Star is born? My Fair Lady? Meet me in St Louis would make a pretty program for a lady or dance team : There are so many great musicals with such musicality out there

 

[Lota]

When I woke up today, I was not expecting to read about satanists in a thread about figure skating programs, but here we are... at least you guys know how to keep things entertaining until the competitions start

 

[lyverbird1]

Never mind the debate about what what Sympathy for the Devil means, it's all an interpretation of fiction anyway.

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[Seren]

When I woke up today, I was not expecting to read about satanists in a thread about figure skating programs, but here we are... at least you guys know how to keep things entertaining until the competitions start

My thoughts exactly.

Also. I do not care what people think of Sympathy for the Devil- having grown up Catholic I generally assume that anything people describe as "evil" is probably the best. Besides, Mick Jagger (and David Bowie) gave us the music video to Dancing in the Street so I'm for whatever sacrifice someone had to make to make that happen.

Back on topic- I am surprised by all the Moulin Rouge this year. Perhaps I need to dig that movie out again to prepare myself.

 

[silverfoxes]

How many Moulin Rouge programs are there this year Of all the great Hollywood musicals skaters chose one of the most overrated and unimaginative :disagree: I'd rather see more Disney or Fiddler on the Roof and Singin in the Rain

How about Carousel? Gigi? A Star is born? My Fair Lady? Meet me in St Louis would make a pretty program for a lady or dance team : There are so many great musicals with such musicality out there

Agreed. I couldn't even make it through 10 minutes of the movie and I think the music is dreadful, so I don't understand the fascination. Especially with that godawful Tango Roxanne. :disapp:

There's a whole world of music out there that doesn't get touched by choreographers and I just don't understand it.

 

[Mango]

In actual program news

Marin Honda is changing her SP. A week ago she heard a song while riding in Mie Hamada's car and was blown away. She'll be working on choreography of this program after the US International Classic and plans to debut it at Skate Canada International. She'll use her "Smile" SP at International Classic, while the "Tango Jalousie/La Cumparsita" program will become an exhibition.

Source: https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20170830-00000128-sph-spo
(Hope that was translated correctly)

 

[Blades of Passion]

Agreed. I couldn't even make it through 10 minutes of the movie and I think the music is dreadful, so I don't understand the fascination.

The music is amazing, don't you dare slander it!

You definitely need to watch the whole film though, the songs gain more power in context. The first 15 minutes of Moulin Rouge are very manic, but upon reflection you see how it was useful for establishing the tone of the Moulin Rouge location. The second half of the film becomes extremely powerful and moving.

 

[nimi]

In actual program news

Marin Honda is changing her SP. A week ago she heard a song while riding in Mie Hamada's car and was blown away. She'll be working on choreography of this program after the US International Classic and plans to debut it at Skate Canada International.

Bold move!

I do hope that the song she heard is NOT from the Moulin Rouge soundtrack, though...

 

[atsumiri]

In actual program news

Marin Honda is changing her SP. A week ago she heard a song while riding in Mie Hamada's car and was blown away. She'll be working on choreography of this program after the US International Classic and plans to debut it at Skate Canada International. She'll use her "Smile" SP at International Classic, while the "Tango Jalousie/La Cumparsita" program will become an exhibition.

Source: https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20170830-00000128-sph-spo
(Hope that was translated correctly)

 

[icetigger]

How many Moulin Rouge programs are there this year Of all the great Hollywood musicals skaters chose one of the most overrated and unimaginative :disagree: I'd rather see more Disney or Fiddler on the Roof and Singin in the Rain

How about Carousel? Gigi? A Star is born? My Fair Lady? Meet me in St Louis would make a pretty program for a lady or dance team : There are so many great musicals with such musicality out there

i was hoping we might get a Funny Girl medley from Wagner; ironically, Gracie Gold is doing "People".

 

[xeyra]

Marin's new SP will apparently be choreographed by Marina Zueva.

 

[skylark]

, the songs gain more power in context. The first 15 minutes of Moulin Rouge are very manic, but upon reflection you see how it was useful for establishing the tone of the Moulin Rouge location. The second half of the film becomes extremely powerful and moving.

^^ This.

It's not about the technical purity of the singing or the complexity of musical composition. It's about being a vehicle for emotional power.

This is one answer to the oft-posed question in this thread, 'why are so many skaters choosing it?' Many skaters (not all) choose their music because it speaks to them, they feel a connection and are inspired into confidence that they can express something through it, and that it will mesh well with what they can do technically on the ice. Show their skating to advantage.

Another answer: it's in the air. Scientific discoveries often pop up in several places at roughly the same time. Why? Ideas are there to be picked up. Yeah, I know how it sounds, but it happens. Sometimes bio-pics of the same celebrity (i.e. Truman Capote) come out in the same year. Or a book will come out, having been slaved over for years, and then suddenly the central event happens in real life.

It isn't because the skaters, [and writers, directors, scientists] copied each other. It isn't for lack of choices. It's more like a fluke or an accident or serendipity.

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

I really hated Moulin Rouge when it came out but now that I'm a bit older, I thought I'd give the movie another go and try to appreciate it as a movie viewer and/or for its directorial choices. Although I do think the concept is clever and the director had ambition, I just really don't like the movie nor the singing in it. I understand using actors to get the emotion across rather than recording artists and I've some times been a proponent of that, but I still found the execution on the emotional aspect to be lacking and thus cannot overcome the very real and observable technical limitations of the singers. I also think there's an emptiness to the whole thing and it's just spectacle with unearned shallow emotional scenes. I've actually found skating programs to be much better at giving me what I think the movie wanted to give me. Ashley really sold me on MR in a way that the movie did not.

 

[bevybean]

^^ This.

It's not about the technical purity of the singing or the complexity of musical composition. It's about being a vehicle for emotional power.

This is one answer to the oft-posed question in this thread, 'why are so many skaters choosing it?' Many skaters (not all) choose their music because it speaks to them, they feel a connection and are inspired into confidence that they can express something through it, and that it will mesh well with what they can do technically on the ice. Show their skating to advantage.

Another answer: it's in the air. Scientific discoveries often pop up in several places at roughly the same time. Why? Ideas are there to be picked up. Yeah, I know how it sounds, but it happens. Sometimes bio-pics of the same celebrity (i.e. Truman Capote) come out in the same year. Or a book will come out, having been slaved over for years, and then suddenly the central event happens in real life.

It isn't because the skaters, [and writers, directors, scientists] copied each other. It isn't for lack of choices. It's more like a fluke or an accident or serendipity.

I wonder sometimes if it is because figure skating is a bit of a closed community. Not sure how to explain this very well...it's like if your main group of friends tend to quote from the same handful of movies and then you get the chance to hang out with friends you haven't seen and someone will quote a different movie. You might have seen that movie, but wouldn't have quoted it because it just hasn't been on your radar. It's almost like the music choices are so vast, it's easier to focus on what you know.

We are currently in the hunt for new music for my daughter and I've been focusing on classical music (because she loves Cello) and movie soundtracks. This morning I switched radio stations and heard a cover of "Night and Day". My brain was suddenly like "Oh! I didn't even think of checking musicals" It's easy to get focused on a certain track with your thinking and forget to look elsewhere.

 

[olayolay]

How many Moulin Rouge programs are there this year Of all the great Hollywood musicals skaters chose one of the most overrated and unimaginative :disagree: I'd rather see more Disney or Fiddler on the Roof and Singin in the Rain

How about Carousel? Gigi? A Star is born? My Fair Lady? Meet me in St Louis would make a pretty program for a lady or dance team : There are so many great musicals with such musicality out there

Sometimes you get a snapshot of the average age of figure skating fans and it's WILD.

 

[silverfoxes]

Sometimes you get a snapshot of the average age of figure skating fans and it's WILD.

You really think one has to be a particular age to appreciate classics like Singing In The Rain or My Fair Lady? I prefer a lot of musicals that came out before I was born to the shallow Moulin Rouge/La La Land contemporary variety. For one thing, you had to actually be able to sing back in those days...

 

[Andrea82]

Jorik Hendrickx

FS: En Aranjuez con tu Amor - Il Divo

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYa4QlGBAaU/?taken-by=jorik.hendrickx

 

[Moxiejan]

Not sure where you're getting your information from, but even if skaters had to license a work directly from a copyright owner, which I'm pretty sure they do not in most cases, the terms would not necessarily be cheaper for a cover recording. For example, Whitney Houston's recording of "I will
Always Love You" was a cover of a Dolly Parton song, but would not necessarily be cheaper to license than the Dolly Parton version.

I said "a cover by an unknown artist"; obviously, Whitney Houston's cover doesn't fit that category. Yes, Dolly Parton wrote the song. But often, the copyright is held not just by songwriter but and/or by a music publisher or record company. (For some time, the rights to most Beatles music was owned not by the Beatles but by Michael Jackson, who bought them.) And then, various versions of a song could have different copyright owners; a version by a famous artist could indeed be more expensive than others. Even music that is in the public domain (such as most classical pieces) can be subject to copyright if, for example, a symphony copyrighted an album that contains it. But not if a skater had his/her friends do the performance/recording.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "depending on the terms of the copyright"? Did you mean license? In the US, the same copyright law controls all works.

I should have said: The terms set by the owner of the copyright. See above as to why the terms might be different for different versions of a song.

Finally, I'm pretty sure the majority of competition clips on YouTube weren't put there by skaters, but by other people, so I'm not sure there's a copyright issue for the skater.

No, the skater wouldn't face the legal action; the poster of the video would. But the video still could get taken down from YouTube (or the music removed); not useful if a skater wants public viewing. This also would apply to use on a skater's website.

 

[skylark]

I really hated Moulin Rouge when it came out but now that I'm a bit older, I thought I'd give the movie another go and try to appreciate it as a movie viewer and/or for its directorial choices. Although I do think the concept is clever and the director had ambition, I just really don't like the movie nor the singing in it. I understand using actors to get the emotion across rather than recording artists and I've some times been a proponent of that, but I still found the execution on the emotional aspect to be lacking and thus cannot overcome the very real and observable technical limitations of the singers. I also think there's an emptiness to the whole thing and it's just spectacle with unearned shallow emotional scenes.

I see your point, but I responded differently to the movie. It didn't speak to you. And I think how we respond is about more than just personal taste. There's a whole range of factors, and you expressed very nicely the ones that affected you.

I've actually found skating programs to be much better at giving me what I think the movie wanted to give me. Ashley really sold me on MR in a way that the movie did not.

:luv17: Yeah! And you were open to the possibility. It's so cool that whatever the creator of a work of art hopes to communicate to others can be expressed by another art form, and reach other people. Or sometimes just a different artist. I'm a Beatles purist, and I don't prefer a Frank Sinatra cover of a Beatles song to the original; but a whole audience of others probably came to appreciate them through him and many other singers.