2017-2018 Programs by Discipline

[MelDee]

I'll reserve full judgment until I actually see it, but about doing any Latin dance to Ed Sheeran.

This could give you an idea:

samba - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzBdLzXgwY&feature=youtu.be
rhumba - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxXA4_7WwnQ

 

[icetigger]

This could give you an idea:

samba - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzBdLzXgwY&feature=youtu.be
rhumba - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxXA4_7WwnQ

i think it's actually a brilliant choice: refreshing, modern and without all the baggage and cliches most of the short dance music come with, plus with lyrics that actually reflect the what those dances are supposed to be out; and even if they in their original formats they were not 100 percent of those latin rhythms, both songs in terms of rhythm of the melody fully re-inforce the required rhythms for the short dance: if they were being sung in Spanish or Portuguese without anyone having first heard those songs in any format, i don't think anyone would think they were anything but authentic latin tracks.

 

[Barb]

i think it's actually a brilliant choice: refreshing, modern and without all the baggage and cliches most of the short dance music come with, plus with lyrics that actually reflect the what those dances are supposed to be out; and even if they in their original formats they were not 100 percent of those latin rhythms, both songs in terms of rhythm of the melody fully re-inforce the required rhythms for the short dance: if they were being sung in Spanish or Portuguese without anyone having first heard those songs in any format, i don't think anyone would think they were anything but authentic latin tracks.

to dance non latin music for a latin rhythm is already a cliche. Especially modifying the original rhythm of the song, at least Sympathy for the devil is supposedly originally recorded like a samba.

 

[MelDee]

to dance non latin music for a latin rhythm is already a cliche.

I'm genuinely curious how is that a cliche?

 

[Barb]

I genuinely curious how is that a cliche?

Come on, there is large list of ice dance teams and floor dancers who say,¨ lets be original, I will dance latin to Mariah Carey, Ed Sheeran, Maroon 5, Beyonce, The Eagles, The Rolling Stones, Amy W., Michael J¨. etc, etc., then they only add sligthly a maracas and voila, you have your latin rhythm , it is an old idea, cheap and too much seen . At this time, it would be more original choose a latin music not used before, but I guess the most original thing we can aspire to is that they choose anglo music hwell:.

 

[icetigger]

to dance non latin music for a latin rhythm is already a cliche. Especially modifying the original rhythm of the song, at least Sympathy for the devil is supposedly originally recorded like a samba.

I don't care about the latin, non-latin distinction: I think in a lot of countries with multicultural populations and global cultural references via the internet the distinction is arbitrary; and if dancing to "non-latin" music is a cliche, then so is dancing to "latin" music: and the parameters by which either are understood is based on cliche anyway.

Sympathy for the devil was not originally written as a samba: the rhythm was added by Charlie Watts. What he did is no different from what a remixer does when he takes a pre-existent song and decides it would sound good against a particular rhythm. The question is for me to what degree the melodic rhythm and the general feel is enhanced by that rhythm.

 

[Barb]

I don't care about the latin, non-latin distinction: I think in a lot of countries with multicultural populations and global cultural references via the internet the distinction is arbitrary; and if dancing to "non-latin" music is a cliche, then so is dancing to "latin" music: and the parameters by which either are understood is based on cliche anyway.

Sympathy for the devil was not originally written as a samba: the rhythm was added by Charlie Watts. What he did is no different from what a remixer does when he takes a pre-existent song and decides it would sound good against a particular rhythm. The question is for me to what degree the melodic rhythm and the general feel is enhanced by that rhythm.

it is authenticity, and in my opinion it has high value. I would applaud something original and authentic at the same time.

I understand if people likes that Shape of you song, and you can claim they are brilliant for use a popular song or simply you can say that you like the song, but to claim that they are being original and different from the rest, is absurd and false. And without going any further, T/T are using it too.

 

[AliAle]

to dance non latin music for a latin rhythm is already a cliche. Especially modifying the original rhythm of the song, at least Sympathy for the devil is supposedly originally recorded like a samba.

And Thinking out Loud is originally recorded with a Rhumba rhythm, not sure what your point is. Seems like people are stuck on the fact that if a song is not sung by a Latin band or singer, it's not a Latin Rhythm... which is very far away from the truth. People keep complaining about the lack of public appeal of figure skating, but nobody takes into account what popular music choices can do for the popularity of the sport. If Ed Sheeran and The Rolling Stones are what it takes for more viewers, I say bring it on, I'm still pissed off that nobody picked Beirut for a Waltz in the 2015-2016 season.

 

[icetigger]

it is authenticity, and in my opinion it has high value. I would applaud something original and authentic at the same time.

I understand if people likes that Shape of you song, and you can claim they are brilliant for use a popular song or simply you can say that you like the song, but to claim that they are being original and different from the rest, is absurd and false. Without going any further, T/T are using it too.

I don't believe authenticity in ice dance in either the short dance or the free is based on the geographical origin of the music: I think that's a completely arbitrary understanding of authenticity. For me, it's about feel and the truthfulness of expression, in the case of the short dance in alignment with particular rhythms set by the ISU. These songs to those rhythms will do that job for me.

 

[Roast Toast]

Guys, we're gonna have the entire Olympic season to argue over whether P/C or V/M are the most original and speshul team of all time. Let's maybe not get into it in this thread?

 

[icetigger]

And Thinking out Loud is originally recorded with a Rhumba rhythm, not sure what your point is. Seems like people are stuck on the fact that if a song is not sung by a Latin band or singer, it's not a Latin Rhythm... which is very far away from the truth. People keep complaining about the lack of public appeal of figure skating, but nobody takes into account what popular music choices can do for the popularity of the sport. If Ed Sheeran and The Rolling Stones are what it takes for more viewers, I say bring it on, I'm still pissed off that nobody picked Beirut for a Waltz in the 2015-2016 season.

Plus Shape of You was written on a Reggaeton rhythm which has its origins in Puerto Rico.

 

[4everchan]

i think it's actually a brilliant choice: refreshing, modern and without all the baggage and cliches most of the short dance music come with, plus with lyrics that actually reflect the what those dances are supposed to be out; and even if they in their original formats they were not 100 percent of those latin rhythms, both songs in terms of rhythm of the melody fully re-inforce the required rhythms for the short dance: if they were being sung in Spanish or Portuguese without anyone having first heard those songs in any format, i don't think anyone would think they were anything but authentic latin tracks.

weren't you the one saying that V/M's choice was satanic... well here is something for you... Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata has been used in MANY movies... including horror movies, at least 3 vampire movies, Misery for instance in which Kathy Bates is so evil... in one movie called The Devil's Messenger... etc it never ends...

oh well.. I guess Gadbois is really going this year

:sarcasm:

 

[Barb]

And Thinking out Loud is originally recorded with a Rhumba rhythm, not sure what your point is. Seems like people are stuck on the fact that if a song is not sung by a Latin band or singer, it's not a Latin Rhythm... which is very far away from the truth. People keep complaining about the lack of public appeal of figure skating, but nobody takes into account what popular music choices can do for the popularity of the sport. If Ed Sheeran and The Rolling Stones are what it takes for more viewers, I say bring it on, I'm still pissed off that nobody picked Beirut for a Waltz in the 2015-2016 season.

And Shape of you what rhythm is?, anyway I understand and accept that it is an accepted rhythm (I am still thinking it is an aberration, but that's the way things are), of course if I see a good dance for a latin rhythm with Latin music, I think it has more merit for being able to be authentic and original at the same time. My main point was simply to say that the choice of P/C is neither original nor new, A LOT of teams are following the same route. And I would say that Latin music is very popular already, you could check what is the video with the most of views in youtube right now, I do not think it hurts the popularity of the sport.

 

[icetigger]

weren't you the one saying that V/M's choice was satanic... well here is something for you... Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata has been used in MANY movies... including horror movies, at least 3 vampire movies, Misery for instance in which Kathy Bates is so evil... in one movie called The Devil's Messenger... etc it never ends...

oh well.. I guess Gadbois is really going this year

:sarcasm:

Please refer to the above post

https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/announcement.php?f=362&a=118

Regards

 

[icetigger]

And Shape of you what rhythm is?, anyway I understand and accept that it is an accepted rhythm (I am still thinking it is an aberration, but that's the way things are), of course if I see a good dance for a latin rhythm with Latin music, I think it has more merit for being able to be authentic and original at the same time. My main point was simply to say that the choice of P/C is neither original nor new, A LOT of teams are following the same route. And I would say that Latin music is very popular already, you could check what is the video with the most of views in youtube, I do not think it hurts the popularity of the sport.

And likewise, I am completely up for skaters using skaters using latin music that has come from latin america sang in Spanish or Portuguese (or even instrumental). One piece of music I have been listening to repeatedly is Marquez's Danzon No.2. I'd love it if someone could do a short dance to that (or even a free dance to that), though I'm not sure how it would fit in with the prescribed rules etc. And if someone did a free dance to that, I'd call that refreshing and original, even though it's a well established piece within the classical canon.

 

[xeyra]

Guys, we're gonna have the entire Olympic season to argue over whether P/C or V/M are the most original and speshul team of all time. Let's maybe not get into it in this thread?

It's okay, we all know the Shibs win anyway.

 

[Barb]

And likewise, I am completely up for skaters using skaters using latin music that has come from latin america sang in Spanish or Portuguese (or even instrumental). One piece of music I have been listening to repeatedly is Marquez's Danzon No.2. I'd love it if someone could do a short dance to that (or even a free dance to that), though I'm not sure how it would fit in with the prescribed rules etc. And if someone did a free dance to that, I'd call that refreshing and original, even though it's a well established piece within the classical canon.

Actually, I have proposed that music countless times, and in fact it has been used in skating before, but I do not remember by whom.

 

[icetigger]

Actually, I have proposed that music countless times, and in fact it has been used in skating before, but I do not remember by whom.

If you remember, let me know, would love to see it in use. There's something to be said to using either one work or work by one composer to retain the integrity of any program, and that seems ideal one to do that.

 

[AliAle]

My main point was simply to say that the choice of P/C is neither original nor new, A LOT of teams are following the same route. And I would say that Latin music is very popular already, you could check what is the video with the most of views in youtube right now, I do not think it hurts the popularity of the sport.

TBH, originality was the last thing crossing my mind when I heard the music choices from both P/C and V/M, same story for the majority of the programs, whether "authentic" Latin or something else. The last time someone actually made me gasp in delighted surprise were P/C during their senior debut. I guess the main point in the end is for the team to feel their music choices. If P/C don't enjoy Latin, then good for them (and any other team in the same situation) for choosing something that works.

 

[Barb]

If you remember, let me know, would love to see it in use. There's something to be said to using either one work or work by one composer to retain the integrity of any program, and that seems ideal one to do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2iWGsJexOo FD RIAZANOVA/ TKACHENKO