2017 Skate Canada Challenge

[nadster]

TGee I think you and I can agree that Stephen is more than just a high BV. His results in Canada and internationally were both on the high end. What I meant to say about the novice boys is that they aren't doing harder triples. I'd like to see that change. Just as the novice girls have started to go for the triples seriously (maybe due to the bonus) the guys should start going for the 3Lz, 3F, 3Lo. They'll have an easier time in juniors if they've been working on them since novice, no?

Last group of junior ice dance is on. Some of the best juniors in Canada. Alicia and Claudio just went. They've changed their last lift that went awry in Dresden. Love their flow and speed across the ice.

The novice men do get bonus for 3Lo and higher. They also get bonus for combos where 2nd jump is a triple.

The women get bonus for all triples and the combo rule applies as well. Because of this a 3T-3T combo would get 3 bonus points for the ladies but only 1 for the men.

Right now there isn't much reward for 3-3 combos for the guys unless they use the tougher triples in the combo. Perhaps give 2 bonus points for those combos on the mens side might encourage more 3-3 combos at novice level.

 

[4everchan]

TGee clear your inbox my message bounced back LOL

Emily : wow!! So much more fluid on the ice than last time I saw her skate.... That loop is divine

 

[Mango]

The novice men do get bonus for 3Lo and higher. They also get bonus for combos where 2nd jump is a triple.

The women get bonus for all triples and the combo rule applies as well. Because of this a 3T-3T combo would get 3 bonus points for the ladies but only 1 for the men.

Right now there isn't much reward for 3-3 combos for the guys unless they use the tougher triples in the combo. Perhaps give 2 bonus points for those combos on the mens side might encourage more 3-3 combos at novice level.

Yeah, your info is confirming my point. That the boys should go for the harder jumps because they'll get a bonus too. They should try to go for 3-3 because they'll get the 2nd jump being a triple bonus. I've seen a novice woman come 2nd in an SP because of a one point bonus, so I would understand why the girls would push for it. The guys...well, if everyone is going for 2A, 3T, 3S, then they're ok.

TGee I'm all for not pushing the skaters too much when they're young. But I'm beginning to see in some cases that it's hard for the boys to get some triples too when they're older. Case in point: the 3A. Roman Sadovsky is one the best examples. But we also have Joseph Phan. As we know, if you can do a 3A you can also do quads. With boys who are 15, 16 going for quads on the JGP, and they are allowed quads in the FS as young as 13, then you begin to think about how the Canadian boys are progressing. You need at minimum all your triples to be seriously competitive internationally. A quad or two would be even more points in the bank. But as you say, quads take time. Not everyone can be like Uno and start doing quad flips in a year. That's why I think the focus should be on both ladies and men working on their triples. Though I agree the emphasis for ladies should be higher when younger. I saw all the juvenile ladies at COS and was surprised that many struggled with doubles. So I think our system will need to change.

 

[syl20c]

Bausback nailed her 3Z-3T and 3R and scored 57.87

Olivia Gran 3Z-2T 3R 2A 54.81

Already 4 scores 50 +. The best Canadian junior ladies competition ever so far.

Aurora Cotop currently in 2nd place 3T-3T 3R ( fall ) 2A . Has the it factor and would be leading if she landed the loop.

36 skaters have skated with 18 to go and 6 skaters have broken 50 in the short and still some good quality in the final 18.

8 over 50 points now with 6 more skaters to go! An excellent event!

 

[nadster]

I saw all the juvenile ladies at COS and was surprised that many struggled with doubles. So I think our system will need to change.

2 new rules were instituted for juveniles this year.

1. 1 instance of each type of jump must be included. So you must have a toe , salchow , loop , flip , lutz and axel in the program.

2, With the combos , one combo must end with a toe loop jump ; the other must end with a loop jump.

These rules do have strong effects. Since skaters must now include all jumps, some can only do a single of their weakest jump. I can also see more single loop combos among the weaker juveniles.

Basically the new rules expose the weaknesses these skaters may have. Actually that is a good thing IMO.

I thing I wish in the rules that in novice and below a three jump combo is allowed to allow skaters to do those half loop - ( flip or salchow ) combos if they wish. These combos are valuable because skaters who do these are not at risk from zayaking on double toes.

I remember Gogolev doing a nice triple flip half loop triple salchow as a novice in Detroit. He couldn't even try that combo in Canada while competing novice. How silly

The Americans do allow a 3 jump combo in the FS from juvenille up.

 

[martipellow2]

Sadovsky

Sorry if someone has already posted about this, but Why isn't Roman Sadovsky in the men's competition?

 

[syl20c]

Sorry if someone has already posted about this, but Why isn't Roman Sadovsky in the men's competition?

he has a bye

 

[Mango]

I see Hannah Dawson and Christian Reekie and you can tell their partnership is still new but they appear to be good to each other. Christian fell on the first jump (2A) of their three jump combo. As soon as they ended Hannah comforted him. It's good to see they have that kind of understanding.

 

[TGee]

he has a bye

And Roman, Nic Nadeau, and Keegan Messing will be competing at the ISU Challenger Golden Spin next week...

 

[Mango]

TGee you watching anything?

 

[TGee]

TGee you watching anything?

Junior pairs....Brasseur/Ostiguy.....

Seeing them struggling with the FS, I'm feeling that this isn't working as a developmental partnership anymore. She is looking quite distressed and holding back....

 

[Mango]

Btw nadster thanks for the explanation. These changes are good. I'm glad they've come into effect.

@ Brasseur/Ostiguy FS - if he is indeed a place holder, I hope Justine finds her Eric. If he's not a placeholder, then I hope Ostiguy can do what he needs to do to be successful.

 

[olayolay]

Okay, Justine Brasseur is too good to be stuck in this partnership. Bruno and Richard need to find someone else before they waste more of her junior eligibility.

 

[Mango]

Boys-Eddy siblings having a rough FS.

 

[Mango]

Mackenzie's got a cast on his right thumb. Wonder what happened. I have to say, I really like their lifts and spins. Though I think she missed catching her blade in one of the lifts.

 

[Mango]

Oh yeah, that death spiral was invalidated. But their SP lead keeps them ahead of Brasseur/Ostiguy. Yikes.

 

[Mango]

Impressive 3 jump combo by Matte & Ferland. Nice SBS spins too!

 

[olayolay]

Matte/Ferland look like a dance team - they're so tiny.

 

[Mango]

^

What surprises me more is that Matte isn't a waif and Ferland still handles everything well. Right now they're 2nd alternates to JGPF.
147.16 total for them. :thumbsup:

 

[olayolay]

Nice from Walsh/Michaud, but given her height (and deer-in-headlights look), I don't know how far this partnership is going.

I've said this before but it seems so obvious to put Michaud and Justine Brasseur together. Both very solid jumpers, both height compatible, both star performers. I can't believe none of their coaches have thought of this yet.