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gmyers

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But stepanova and bukin are not “star” quality.😕 they aren’t what I think of when I think Russian Dance Team. They’re so acrobatic, imo. So I have to hope for the best in the upcoming junior teams.

This is so funny! I Remember when s/b were the junior team going to save Russia now it’s like “when are s/b going to be pushed out of the way by Good juniors!”
 

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What are the chances of Davis/Varlamov to get a JGP spot next season? They didn't perform well at Junior Nationals, but maybe if other couples move to seniors...

I'm not that familiar with the Russian junior teams who haven't been on the JGP. This season, Skotcova/Aleshin, Polishchuk/Vakhnov, Shevchenko/Eremenko, Ushakova/Nekrasov, Konkina/Yakushev, and Khudaiberdieva/Nazarov all got two spots. Shpilevaya/Smirnov and Lopareva/Karpushov got one. S/S would have got a second if they hadn't been injured, and K/N probably wouldn't have.

S/A, S/S and L/K are aging out. So assuming all the other teams who were on the JGP stay and get two spots, that leaves 4 spots open. I don't know who among the other teams at Junior Nats and the junior dance at the Cup of Russia final are age eligible. And it will also come down to how people look at test skates.

At the Final of the Cup of Russia, Elizaveta SHANAEVA / David NARIZHNY, Angelina LAZAREVA / Maxim PROKOFIEV, Sophia TYUTYUNINA / Alexander SHUSTITSKY, and Sofia LITVINOVA / Alexander BALYKOV finished ahead of Davis/Varlamov.

At Junior Nationals, Eva Kuts / Dmitrii Mikhailov, Ekaterina Andreeva / Ivan Desyatov, Lazareva/Prokofiev, Polina Ivanenko / Daniil Karpov, Alexandra Kravchenko / Gordey Khubulov, and Shanaeva/Narizhny finished ahead of them.

So without knowing much about any of those teams, I would guess that D/V would need a good showing at the test skates to have a chance.
 

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I really don't understand the Stepanova/Bukin hate. I have looked for her "lack of skating skills" and just don't see it. She keeps up with Bukin beautifully in side by side elements. And I love their lifts! They are beautiful together - I just don't get the hate!
 

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I really don't understand the Stepanova/Bukin hate. I have looked for her "lack of skating skills" and just don't see it. She keeps up with Bukin beautifully in side by side elements. And I love their lifts! They are beautiful together - I just don't get the hate!

The caller was so generous at worlds and no step from s/b was level 4! It looks like she is keeping up with Bukin but he is doing moves on correct edges and she is doing moves wrong. Why didn’t they get level 4 step anything? Because she can’t do what’s required! Doesn’t have the talent. Edge awareness is weak.
 

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The caller was so generous at worlds and no step from s/b was level 4! It looks like she is keeping up with Bukin but he is doing moves on correct edges and she is doing moves wrong. Why didn’t they get level 4 step anything? Because she can’t do what’s required! Doesn’t have the talent. Edge awareness is weak.

I still think that if she were on a "flat" she wouldn't be able to keep up with him (would not curve). I remain unconvinced!
 

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Well, whatever problem anyone might think Stepanova has should probably look further to their coaches. Tell me a single team from Svinin and Zhuk that got a level four step sequence this quad - outside of Russia. I can tell you from the top of my head that none of them did, either Senior or Junior. The only teams that I can remember getting those level 4s came from either Kustarova, Rumiantseva or Zhulin.

Svinin and Zhuk can package a team to the max, but the TES is always suffering - I mean, S/B lost to Z/G in BV in both programs, that's not promising. I know people have an aversion to Zhulin, but send some of those kids to him to skate alongside S/K, at least as a last resort. Also, Gorshkov produced good teams in juniors, but the work he did deconstructing I/S was just ridiculous, so I don't trust him that much yet.

But S/B had the chance to establish themselves as number one in Russia, but all I saw was how much Z/G got close to them, unless it was an Olympic bonus or whatever.
 

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That’s doesnt mean much. They were probably going to be 8th in the SD again it’s bobrova and soloviev! They skipped these worlds for a reason. They knew they wouldn’t medal..

Their SD scores at the Olympics were 74.76 and 75.47, which would have placed them in the final flight after the SD. And given the high SD scores everyone was getting they likely would have scored above 77, and been 5th over C/B.

But, by all means, do keep going... :popcorn:
 

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A Russian team in the top 3 is missing. Russian placements less than 13 is missing.



Whether I comment or not or you read the comments or not Russia still doesn’t have any world medals or gpf medals for an entire quad and the entire program is collapsing into irrelevance and disaster.

Repetition, repetition, repetition, we heard you the first 1 million times, so change the record
 

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Their SD scores at the Olympics were 74.76 and 75.47, which would have placed them in the final flight after the SD. And given the high SD scores everyone was getting they likely would have scored above 77, and been 5th over C/B.

But, by all means, do keep going... :popcorn:

Clinging to b/s with their horrible world record is very sad. They didn’t go. That says it all. There was no reason for them not to go. They had no injury, no emergency, no problems, no conflicts.

Repetition, repetition, repetition, we heard you the first 1 million times, so change the record
Only when Russia changes its record.
 

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Clinging to b/s with their horrible world record is very sad. They didn’t go. That says it all. There was no reason for them not to go. They had no injury, no emergency, no problems, no conflicts.


Only when Russia changes its record.
I shall make efforts to avoid all threads you frequent, as you are more than irritating with your obsessions.
Shame this is not the FSU thread, as they have an ignore button.
Many many users have casey edwards on ignore.
He/she is equally as irritating as you.
People want to have informed discussions not be bored by someone repeatedly expressing exactly the same over the top views in a vendetta against whatever they are against.
So I wish you a good life and hope you get over your obsession before everyone ignores you like I am.
bye!

Yippee I've found out how to put you on ignore yayy, No more gymers :yahoo:
 

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Well, whatever problem anyone might think Stepanova has should probably look further to their coaches. Tell me a single team from Svinin and Zhuk that got a level four step sequence this quad - outside of Russia. I can tell you from the top of my head that none of them did, either Senior or Junior. The only teams that I can remember getting those level 4s came from either Kustarova, Rumiantseva or Zhulin.

Svinin and Zhuk can package a team to the max, but the TES is always suffering - I mean, S/B lost to Z/G in BV in both programs, that's not promising. I know people have an aversion to Zhulin, but send some of those kids to him to skate alongside S/K, at least as a last resort. Also, Gorshkov produced good teams in juniors, but the work he did deconstructing I/S was just ridiculous, so I don't trust him that much yet.

But S/B had the chance to establish themselves as number one in Russia, but all I saw was how much Z/G got close to them, unless it was an Olympic bonus or whatever.

Of course the aversion to zhulin is his catastrophic handling of b/s which meant no world or Olympic medal for an entire quad for the first time ever. You can blame bobrova for the catastrophic failure but he didn’t do anything to improve her hunched bent posture and bad skating skills. No one in Russia is the answer to anything. They don’t know anything about how to win in modern ijs.

I still think that if she were on a "flat" she wouldn't be able to keep up with him (would not curve). I remain unconvinced!

Something is knocking down the levels! When she is supposed to be on inside edge she is on outside edge or vice versa or their is really no edge use for certain moves. Her skating is damaging the team enormously and why z/g beat them in TES.
 

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I shall make efforts to avoid all threads you frequent, as you are more than irritating with your obsessions.
Shame this is not the FSU thread, as they have an ignore button.
Many many users have casey edwards on ignore.
He/she is equally as irritating as you.
People want to have informed discussions not be bored by someone repeatedly expressing exactly the same over the top views in a vendetta against whatever they are against.
So I wish you a good life and hope you get over your obsession before everyone ignores you like I am.
bye!

Yippee I've found out how to put you on ignore yayy, No more gymers :yahoo:

It’s very relevant that casey edwards is ignored by many! And you ignore me! Doesn’t change anything.
 

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We don't need to bring Bobrova into the discussion again, they're done, that's it. What concerns me the most is not Stepanova as an ice dancer, but the coaches. We know Russia's not sending anyone out of the country anytime soon, so there has to be some options for them to get better at home.
 

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We don't need to bring Bobrova into the discussion again, they're done, that's it. What concerns me the most is not Stepanova as an ice dancer, but the coaches. We know Russia's not sending anyone out of the country anytime soon, so there has to be some options for them to get better at home.
Maybe Krylova will be someone similar to Eteri, but in ice dance....
 

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As others have pointed out, S/B stand out because they can be very acrobatic. But I think, reading the new proposals from the Ice Dance Technical Committee, the ISU want to push ice dance back to being more about ballroom based, in hold dances. This will not help S/B (or S/K or Z/G to be honest) - they are at their best in open dances when they can carry their speed more effectively. So maybe Russia are looking at another rough few years, and they have to hope the juniors can pull through.

On another note, has anyone heard anything more about B/S plans for next year, or if he's still maybe going to skate with someone new? And which teams will be working with Volkov & Krylova?
 

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As others have pointed out, S/B stand out because they can be very acrobatic. But I think, reading the new proposals from the Ice Dance Technical Committee, the ISU want to push ice dance back to being more about ballroom based, in hold dances. This will not help S/B (or S/K or Z/G to be honest) - they are at their best in open dances when they can carry their speed more effectively. So maybe Russia are looking at another rough few years, and they have to hope the juniors can pull through.

On another note, has anyone heard anything more about B/S plans for next year, or if he's still maybe going to skate with someone new? And which teams will be working with Volkov & Krylova?

If Russia wants to do well in hold dances why don’t they invest in teaching s/b z/g and juniors how to do them? Hire the best! Hopefully that will happen and they will read the new rules and learn about them

We don't need to bring Bobrova into the discussion again, they're done, that's it. What concerns me the most is not Stepanova as an ice dancer, but the coaches. We know Russia's not sending anyone out of the country anytime soon, so there has to be some options for them to get better at home.

You are right! Bobrova is done. She doesn’t need to be discussed anymore. Zhulin is not an option for anyone to get better or improve at anything though. S/k didn’t get better or improve at anything from their zueva Peirod. Katsalapov is same exact skater through zhulin, morozov, zueva, Tchaikovskaia, and zhulin.
 

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I find it funny that rusfed isn´t allowing their students to train outside of russia and even forbid trainers to train international skaters, but Morozov is an exception somehow.. maybe he is their chance but I feel like Morozov is a picky trainer
 

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Clinging to b/s with their horrible world record is very sad. They didn’t go. That says it all. There was no reason for them not to go. They had no injury, no emergency, no problems, no conflicts.


Only when Russia changes its record.

Maybe they were just not feeling it after putting their efforts into the Olympics.

But whatever... OMG no Russian ice dance pair is scoring 80+ in the SD and 120+ in the FD!!!! :cry: :drama: They're doooooooomed!!!!!

:laugh:
 

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I find it funny that rusfed isn´t allowing their students to train outside of russia and even forbid trainers to train international skaters, but Morozov is an exception somehow.. maybe he is their chance but I feel like Morozov is a picky trainer

He didn’t seem to be picky. It’s like Russia doesn’t want to pay for anyone or anything in dance anymore and just wants the program to die! So no paying for morozov.

I'm surprised more Russian couples don't go to Morozov.

He may be expensive! It’s said that he travels a lot. Amodio said he retired partly because of morozov was like being in traveling circus but also he couldn’t really do quads. So you have the cost factor, and many skaters not liking all the traveling. Plus you have the fact that even though I/k are last ever Russian Olympic medalist in ice dance they never won Russian nationals. Extreme nationalism in Russian ice dance.

Maybe they were just not feeling it after putting their efforts into the Olympics.

But whatever... OMG no Russian ice dance pair is scoring 80+ in the SD and 120+ in the FD!!!! :cry: :drama: They're doooooooomed!!!!!

:laugh:

What makes b/s effort so much more special than w/p or c/l or c/b or any other team that did all they did and more? It’s not like they didn’t take a vacation during the season! They could have trained but chose vacation.

They are not doomed because of lack of 80 or 120 but lack of scores for gpf appearances or just final group or bronze medal
 

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Its TES where Rusisian teams always looses out so Kylova is a good news for them. Also unless they can produce a breakout star like P/C, its going to be hard for their leaders like now (B/S & Z/G) to compete with the top teams. Unfortunately Ice Dance still following the unspoken pecking orders that teams somehow have to pay their dues to get love from the judges. P/C came in when there is no clear leaders when D/W &V/M retired. If I were Krylova, I will focus on the juniors going seniors since they are going clean slate. For the upcoming requirements it seem like it favors S/A strengths so I say Krylova should snatch them from their current coaches and create noise and get their name out their in the talks until they debut in seniors
 

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Btw did they announce who were the teams going to the new Krylova camp? Its going to be interesting who are the teams going to jump ship or if Krylova is eyeing certain pairs now.
 

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I'm not familiar with ice dance coaches, who is Krylova? Should we have high hopes?
 

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I'm not familiar with ice dance coaches, who is Krylova? Should we have high hopes?

I mean I was just looking at 2012 worlds and there she was with weaver and poje Je sui malade and coaching bronze medalists Péchalat and Bourzat! Maybe she is past her peak now but it’s like better than any current Russian coach! She was the foundational coach of hubbell and Donahue!
 

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S/K trainee for a long time in Michigan, I/Z with Igor (although from their own pocket). So it’s not forbidden to train outside of Russia. But I guess the Russian federation thought the return of investment was not good enough.
 

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He didn’t seem to be picky. It’s like Russia doesn’t want to pay for anyone or anything in dance anymore and just wants the program to die! So no paying for morozov.



He may be expensive! It’s said that he travels a lot. Amodio said he retired partly because of morozov was like being in traveling circus but also he couldn’t really do quads. So you have the cost factor, and many skaters not liking all the traveling. Plus you have the fact that even though I/k are last ever Russian Olympic medalist in ice dance they never won Russian nationals. Extreme nationalism in Russian ice dance.



What makes b/s effort so much more special than w/p or c/l or c/b or any other team that did all they did and more? It’s not like they didn’t take a vacation during the season! They could have trained but chose vacation.

They are not doomed because of lack of 80 or 120 but lack of scores for gpf appearances or just final group or bronze medal

They don't owe it to anyone to show up at Worlds. There are a ton of skaters from the Olympics who opted not to go to Worlds.

Plus if B/S had gone to Worlds and got bronze, you'd have complained that it wasn't silver. :sarcasm:
 

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They don't owe it to anyone to show up at Worlds. There are a ton of skaters from the Olympics who opted not to go to Worlds.

Plus if B/S had gone to Worlds and got bronze, you'd have complained that it wasn't silver. :sarcasm:

Did B/S choose not to go? Or was it the Russian Fed not allowing them?
 

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\They were on the original entry list but chose not to go - Bobrova said she needs a break and time to think about if she will continue or retire.
 
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