2018-2019 Russian Nationals Men FS

[Ichatdelune]

It's weird to see that Kolyada fell on a 3Lz, but I'm surprised that he landed this many jumps with sinustis. I like the program and he's a great Toreador, shame I've yet to see it done clean so far.

Dmitri did three Axels, and of course the 3A is the one he fell on. Or was the first 2A meant to be a 3A? One or two pops and a fall, considering his record that's not bad. Again, please remind me not to have Russian men favorites.

4Lz+3T landed, woah. I unfortunately cannot get behind Alexander Samarin, but good for him.

How do you underrotate a 1T? Another question yet to be answered, the first being how can you underrotate an Euler. (I remember a protocol with Eu<<, it still remains one of the biggest mysteries of this world.) I wish Artur Dmitriev would just stop going for that 4A, it's proven itself to be cursed and never meant for the world.

A few more reasons to not get excited for Euros. If Mikhail Kolyada manages to recover and skate his FS clean then I'll catch up on it.

 

[QueenOfTheRoad]

OMG Mika, you did it :hap93:! I couldn't watch live, i feared a big splat, but wow, he pushed himself till the last drop of power. Now hush to bed and stay there till you're healthy!

Kovtun's PCS..... It is so unfair for skaters like Aliev and Mika, who puts loads of effort in their program and every movement and spend their energy for them and not only in quads, but i predicted that the Russian Fed give their GOE and PCS directly proportional with the number of quads . Let's see at worlds if Kovtun will get so much :dev2:.

But alas, now the pressure to deliver and show what a nr. 1 he is, will be now on Kovtun at worlds. Perhaps that will help Mika.

Congrats to Samarin, gutted for Aliev.

 

[Danny T]

Oh, I just remember before going to sleep. Samarin got third here (with huge technical content) so probably Voronov's season is over His injury sounds quite serious anyway, but even if he recovers I think RusFed will probably go with the podium and send Samarin, who has a higher and consistent enough technical arsenal. I don't really blame them, Voronov has a low ceiling on his scores, but still kinda bummed he couldn't come and fight for his spot here.

Aliev ... *sigh*

 

[rachno2]

Just took a peek at Andrei, please go back to Rachmaninoff and get your 3As from Liza T.

Am I the only one who enjoyed Mr. Liza as Romeo? Rach would be a welcome return, though.

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Oh, I just remember before going to sleep. Samarin got third here (with huge technical content) so probably Voronov's season is over His injury sounds quite serious anyway, but even if he recovers I think RusFed will probably go with the podium and send Samarin, who has a higher and consistent enough technical arsenal. I don't really blame them, Voronov has a low ceiling on his scores, but still kinda bummed he couldn't come and fight for his spot here.

Aliev ... *sigh*

Yeah, I'm 99.9% sure the podium is the team, and I think that's what RusFed wanted from the beginning, too. And tbh it’s a strong team! Misha might sit out Euros, but I doubt Sergei will be ready for that, either so Lazukin or Aliev could have a chance to perform there maybe? Does anybody know when the official announcement comes out?

 

[Heleng]

Unbelievable that Mikhail pulled that off I’m so so proud of him, and so relieved, I was bracing myself for a disaster lol. Yes, he’s inconsistent in competition, but that doesn’t mean he lacks character.

For me, the two Carmen’s aren’t even close, but it’s heartwarming and inspirational to see Kovtun overcoming his difficulties the last few years. I’ll never forget seeing in person how devastated he was in the k&c after his FS at Boston worlds. And happy for Samarin too — I appreciate his massive jumps and energy, just wish he could develop his artistic side.

 

[champagnerain]

I wish Artur Dmitriev would just stop going for that 4A, it's proven itself to be cursed and never meant for the world.

I wonder what his success rate in practice is? I mean, he must land it sometimes, otherwise he wouldn't be trying it in competition, right? And he's just hoping for that one day he gets lucky and beats Hanyu in the 4A race?

Then again, it is Artur Dmitriev, so he could literally be thinking, "Maybe the first time I ever land a 4A in my life will be in competition, and wouldn't that be special!" (I literally have no idea what's going on in this guy's mind, but I find his jump choices morbidly fascinating in a world in which all skaters seem to be going for the exact same combinations because they're the ones with the biggest BVs that they're personally capable of).

 

[Jaana]

I´m so happy that Kovtun is back, WOW!!! Congratulations for the win!!! It looks that he has been training hard to improve in many areas, good for him! Maybe he has become more adult finally and is more serious about his skating? I was afraid that after leading in sp he might not be able to hold the pressure, but so wonderful that he did.

Just worrying that he looked way too tired after his skate, he should build up his stamina by doing full run-throughs in his training....

Anyway, his title and scores were well-deserved, IMO.

 

[DanseMacabre]

I wonder what his success rate in practice is? I mean, he must land it sometimes, otherwise he wouldn't be trying it in competition, right? And he's just hoping for that one day he gets lucky and beats Hanyu in the 4A race?

I doubt he's landing it in practice. It's not even close to being rotated. He's overrotating what's already a sloppy triple and trying to call it a quad.

 

[elektra blue]

catching up with the boys

Dmitri ALIEV: good recovery after the short and he didn’t forgot the 3A

Anton SHULEPOV: after the gladiator in pajama, the gladiator in undershirt, to don’t catch a cold

Artur DMITRIEV: the odd guy who tries odd things is growing on me. He can’t be clean to save his life but at least he doesn’t bother you

Maxim KOVTUN: no one can say he didn’t give it all to this competition. The skate was good and he deserved the medal, also great costume

Mikhail KOLYADA: he may be 3rd but skating like that with his sickness and after days in a hospital makes him a true champion and the moral winner.

 

[Metis]

I doubt he's landing it in practice. It's not even close to being rotated. He's overrotating what's already a sloppy triple and trying to call it a quad.

It’s a 3.6 Axel, basically. The combo in the short — fine. But the “4A” just reeks of gimmick to me when his performance chops could really use some attention.

 

[Metis]

The protocols are making me seriously consider the question: what is more hilarious in high-level competition, an 1Eu< or a 1T<? (Dmitriev is responsible for the latter, and also consistently hilarious protocols).

When you consider that a single jump only requires 0.25 revolutions in air (because pre-rotation can be 180 degrees and the landing short 24 degrees), it’s actually a perverse accomplishment to perform a 1T<.

 

[kevinVchicago]

Hi! Does anyone have a list of the Men's FS starting order that doesn't include SP scores? Thank you!

 

[champagnerain]

When you consider that a single jump only requires 0.25 revolutions in air (because pre-rotation can be 180 degrees and the landing short 24 degrees), it’s actually a perverse accomplishment to perform a 1T<.

So what you're saying is that Artur should have been really proud of himself and not stormed off after his score was announced?

 

[Metis]

So what you're saying is that Artur should have been really proud of himself and not stormed off after his score was announced?

No, no, you see 1T< in pairs enough for it to be less of a unicorn on protocols! And at the JGP, the difference between first and second was an Underrotated Euler (now touring at bars near you). But a 1T< is still amazing, even more so at nationals, which aren’t exactly known for strict tech panels (and calling a 1T under is just adding insult to injury).

Matteo at Four Nats, Artur here... maybe we’ll have a walk-out at every nats this season?

 

[QueenOfTheRoad]

I think Dmitriev should get some help with anger management. It is not the first time he stormed from kissandcry, it gives him a bad image and it is also not so nice for his team sitting with him. I know that he is angry with himself mainly, but it still doesn't look good.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Russian men have not had consistency post-6.0, have they?

Well there was Plushy Just call him Consistentshenko!

Kovtun, that’s not a doughnut. It’s more of a crueler, and a two-day-old one at that.

OMG This comment wins! There's many a 2-day old crueler out there.

Also what's with Maxim's costume? It looks so weird!

 

[Elucidus]

It's weird to see that Kolyada fell on a 3Lz, but I'm surprised that he landed this many jumps with sinustis.

Btw, TAT said that most likely head pain from sinusitis (Yagudin skated with it too at some time) in fact distracted and helped him to forget his fear of jumps and nervousness - and concentrate better Else, I think it too - it would be usual "popping jumps Kolyada" So, after he will be healthy again - I won't be surprised to see disaster skates again at Euro/Worlds

 

[pesto]

I've had horrible sinusitis recently, and it's not just the pain and pressure inside your head (even touching the roof of my mouth with my tongue hurt), the swelling can cause your ears to feel blocked and affect your balance.

But I agree it may perversely have relaxed Mikhail - he didn't have the pressure to be perfect, because he had such a good reason to be imperfect.

What is a "crueler"?

 

[Interspectator]

I woke to the chaos of a Kovtun National Championships.
Thought 1: It's difficult to make a come-back at Nationals, skate well, surpass your own expectations. I'm happy for Kovtun!
Thought 2: Woah, that's some crazy over scoring of a messy program! The judges are sending a message, "This is our beloved son in whom we are well pleased"

 

[anonymoose_au]

OK caught up on the rest of the men...firstly what's with the scores taking 500 years to show up, it's irritating.

Secondly congrats to Alexander Petrov, he ended up in a better spot than I would have thought! You go!

Bit sad for Mr Liza, I was hoping he could get a bit higher! I think he's improving though...except for the waxel...Mishin's face OMG, I laughed so hard.

I wonder what his success rate in practice is? I mean, he must land it sometimes, otherwise he wouldn't be trying it in competition, right? And he's just hoping for that one day he gets lucky and beats Hanyu in the 4A race?

Then again, it is Artur Dmitriev, so he could literally be thinking, "Maybe the first time I ever land a 4A in my life will be in competition, and wouldn't that be special!" (I literally have no idea what's going on in this guy's mind, but I find his jump choices morbidly fascinating in a world in which all skaters seem to be going for the exact same combinations because they're the ones with the biggest BVs that they're personally capable of).

The image this puts in my head is hilarious, i mean just imagine if that's true and he really did land it for the first time ever in a competition. He'd probably forget to do the rest of the program!

I think Dmitriev should get some help with anger management. It is not the first time he stormed from kissandcry, it gives him a bad image and it is also not so nice for his team sitting with him. I know that he is angry with himself mainly, but it still doesn't look good.

Yeah...I'll never forget the time he was still training with Mishin and he got a bad score and Mishin put a hand on his arm to comfort him (or maybe offer advice I'm not sure) and Artur pulled away and looked like he was about to punch Mishin in the face! I was like :shocked: "Calm the heck down!"

Samarin was pretty cool with that opening Quad Lutz, I mean wow! How much ice did he cover there? He looked like he was in the air forever! It was even in combo! Then he goes and splats on the next jump before coming back with another stunning combo! Bit a ride there.

Nice to see Maxim K in good health, although I mentioned in a previous post what's up with the costume, it looks...weird. Plus, I can't help comparing his Carmen to Plushy's (best. costume. EVER) - not to mention Mika's and erm...let's just say Maxim doesn't give the right kind of face, he did attack the program though! The male half of his coaching team - I think the guy's name is Upenski? - has certainly done a lot for him! Crowd certainly loved the program though!

TAT's reaction was hilarious, like how happy was she! Makes a difference from a few years back where she was next to the boards banging the top of them and pretty much going "OMG what are you doing, boy?!"

Buyanova reminds me of a TV newscaster from the 80s though...how much hairspray must she use I wonder!

Very sad about Kostya Mark II I was hoping he could storm home with a surprise podium finishing! Plus I like the Klimov-style beard he's got going on. The freak fall was such bad luck. I'll have to keep an eye out for him in those national Russian competitions, I like his style!

I still can't believe Mika actually competed today! He must be nuts! I worry about him not properly treating his sinusitis, everything's connected up there and a serious infection could be catastrophic for his health.

I do like his costume! The red is very eye-catching.

But wow how did he do all those spins and twizzles in his condition? Performance-wise his Carmen won the battle, it was so good! I'm really happy (and relieved!) that he had such a good FS here! Now go see a specialist about that sinusitis, you need to be in top condition for the rest of the season!

And on a final note...looking at the results I see it was a bad competition to be called Artem...there were three and they all finished at the bottom of the list!