2018-2019 State of Japanese Men's Skating

[yume]

As asyuraniel touched upon in post #250 thank, in japan there is importance placed upon senpai-kouhai (hierarchical) relationship.
The skaters themselves may be lax about this when interacting with each other but it does seem to play a large part in decisions made by the federation. The skaters understand this. You don't hear them complaining.

This is interesting. I can understand since i live myself in a country where these kinds of relationships are important. But IMO, when it's sport, merit should come first in criteria.Someone shouldn't be the priority because he wad born first.

 

[asyuraniel]

Lastly since Yuma didn't medal and place 4th he need to win, a silver won't do if he want to go to JGPF.

He need gold, for JGPF. The total point then will be 24, the same with Koshiro. I also think Koshiro should be saved because of high score.

 

[asyuraniel]

This is interesting. I can understand since i live myself in a country where these kinds of relationships are important. But IMO, when it's sport, merit should come first in criteria.Someone shouldn't be the priority because he wad born first.

Yes, I agree Talent and result should be the priority rather than age, but to articulate it better, the whole discussion is about why Shun is not getting any JGP assignment so i give an my opinion that he is young, 14 years old. Japan federation acknowledge Shun talent by giving him other international competition but for this session, their decision apparently prioritizing the older junior skater for JGP that they believe able to produce a result. I believe its because for the need of older junior skater has experience competing with high ranking/skill junior skater to prepare them before moving to senior. Federation need to think for whole skaters not just a skater. This maybe the way of they distribute the wealth. Problem of the riches.

I believe young Jr skater understand that they need to wait for their opportunity and support while federation supporting the older skater first before the younger skater (This apparent for Junior field) unless you are exceptional like Yuzu, Shoma and even Daisuke before or not producing a result from opportunity given. That opportunity is given to other like how Yuma get second JGP but not Sena. Senior is totally by result. I can say this is a problem of having too many good skater in your home country.

I believe this is what tsuyoboogie mean with her/his statement. I hope this explain things better.

 

[yume]

Thanks. I get it.

 

[Noxchild]

Yumaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

 

[sk8ath]

I'm now kind of looking forward to the junior competition in east sectionals

 

[laiyamanika]

Koshiro Shimada has qualified for JGPF!

 

[Sai Bon]

Congratulations to Yuzu for his win in Helsinki!
Meanwhile, back in Japan, Daisuke Takahashi is first after the SP in Western Sectionals with a score of 83.56. He had a very rough FS and was third overall in Kinki Regionals, so he's determined to minimize mistakes this time round.

https://www.asahi.com/articles/DA3S13754189.html?ref=nmail_20181104mo (Japanese)

 

[ioanna]

Daisuke Takahashi has won Western Sectionals and is qualified for Nationals.

 

[Interspectator]

State of the Japan men: Yuzu and Shoma going strong, doing their thing, winning stuff and challenging themselves. :hap57:
No.3 for team Japan, still in flux. Who is it going to be??

 

[Sai Bon]

State of the Japan men: Yuzu and Shoma going strong, doing their thing, winning stuff and challenging themselves. :hap57:
No.3 for team Japan, still in flux. Who is it going to be??

I know, such a conundrum! Probably Keiji or Kazuki, but they are both not quite there yet.

 

[Sam L]

Question. Why was Hanyu’s 4T-3A marked down with a SEQ?

 

[Interspectator]

Question. Why was Hanyu’s 4T-3A marked down with a SEQ?

It is a planned SEQ. The nature of 4T-3A, changing the foot you jump from, makes it impossible for it to be counted as a combo.

 

[Sam L]

Right but what is an SEQ that's my question.

 

[Caustica]

Right but what is an SEQ that's my question.

SEQ stands for sequence, and the reason it's marked with SEQ is what Interspectator explained. Actually, it's a bit absurd that 4T3A gets such low points given its difficulty. But I suppose it's worth it since 3A is super reliable for Yuzuru and it replaces a 2T.

 

[jace93]

Right but what is an SEQ that's my question.

When you land your first jump and then immediately go on to jump another it may be either a combo or a sequence:
A combo is when you don't change neither the dominant foot nor the edge between the landing and the second jump and its bv is equal to the sum of the two jump bv.
A sequence is when you change either your edge or your foot in the second jump. It gets marked as a seq to differentiate it from a combo and it's worth 80% of the sum of the two jumps bv.
Historically the only jumps that could be used as a second jump in a combo were toe loop and loop (that's why so many skaters age an half loop aka Euler in their 3 jumps combo:it allows to change your landing foot and edge and that allow to tackle salchow and flip to a combo) but recently a Russian skater was able to land a 3lutz-3flip combo

Edited to fix some spelling mistakes

 

[Sam L]

Ok thanks I don’t think I’ve ever seen a sequence before. I suppose it’s not worth worth it try unless if that second jump is super secure for you. I mean otherwise why wouldn’t just go for toe loop or loop?

 

[xeyra]

Ok thanks I don’t think I’ve ever seen a sequence before. I suppose it’s not worth worth it try unless if that second jump is super secure for you. I mean otherwise why wouldn’t just go for toe loop or loop?

Gabrielle Daleman used to do a SEQ with a -2A in her FS (back in 2017 when she won Worlds bronze).

 

[yume]

Congrats to Dai. He has a real shot to podium at nats if he goes clean. I don't know why but i think that Keiji and Kazuki will go near clean at nats. So Dai needs to be clean or recover the 4T.

Sota will make his GP debut soon!!! Poor boy had two GP in what should have been his first senior season but had to withdraw due to serious injury.

 

[mikeko666]

Congrats to Dai. He has a real shot to podium at nats if he goes clean. I don't know why but i think that Keiji and Kazuki will go near clean at nats. So Dai needs to be clean or recover the 4T.

Sota will make his GP debut soon!!! Poor boy had two GP in what should have been his first senior season but had to withdraw due to serious injury.

Keiji has been quite good at peaking at Nationals for the last few seasons. His problem is that he hasn't been able to deliver at major international competitions like 4CC and Worlds.

Dai said it will be 4S or 4F if he goes for a quad because he sprained his left ankle at an ice show last year or so.