2018 Olympic Figure Skating Mens FS
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Yes, when the stakes are off, he had the guts and grit. You need it as much when the stakes are on over two programmes. So far, he hadnβt shown that yet, when he is in a striking position and pressure is on with a who.e nation pinning their hopes on him. To be fair, he is only 18. He will get there as long as the media and USFS crap donβt rain down on him.
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At the moment, yes of course. He crumbled in Team event and individual SP. I'm talking about mental toughness to medal at majors. When Nathan wins a medal at Worlds(hopefully this 2018 one) by doing well enough in both short and long then talk.
No need get offended now.
If you even watch other sports? My country's top badminton player is a 3 time Olympic silver medalist. 12 years of trying -silver. He is not a World champion either. He wins tons of other tournaments but not the majors.He is branded as Mr 2nd place.
As much as I would cheer for him, he is one who doesn't have the mental toughness to win majors, crumbling in the finals from pressure. From his early 20s till now almost retired, he cannot overcome this block
On the other side, his peer, from China, is 2 time Olympic champ, multiple times World champ. The China guy loses in lots of smaller tournaments but peaks/puts his A game at majors. Unknown players can beat him at smaller tournaments, leaving some to believe he's over the hill.
But when it comes to the crunch, he delivers, both in Team and individual.
See the parallel?
So, coming back to Nathan, he wins GPs , GP finals, etc, all these normal tournaments. Wait till he manages to get on the Worlds podium. Yuzuru was Worlds bronze medalist at 17. Shoma was silver medalist at 19, Boyang 1st World bronze was at age 18 I think
Nathan scored less PCS here than he did in GPF. Iβm not sure what all the drama is about but itβs kinda entertaining me
And I made my initial comment in reply to a poster saying they didn't understand why people were up in arms about Nathan's scores. Like I said, people were worried Nathan would medal with a flawed SP because he did so well and scored so well in the FS. Of course he could have won a medal if the others made a couple of mistakes. I was implying that people were worried that the favorites would not have a pad to make mistakes because Nathan could get a medal. And I thought that is what was making people upset. They would not even have had to really implode. Just a couple of big mistakes and that could have been it. So that is what I was speaking of and I did have a point.
I know of that badminton player you are talking about and you are right. What separates a champion from the rest is the ability to perform when IT MATTERS THE MOST. It doesn't matter what the what ifs are. Other people could have all the potential in world and it wouldn't matter much if it doesn't translate to when it really counts.
Not saying Nathan Chen couldn't do it though -just that now is just not his time. Next time , he is young and has time to do much better and I believe he can do it.
Couple of big mistakes = implode. That's what happened in Sochi and how Denis Ten snuck into bronze. People were more afraid of a Sochi redux happening again.
Heck yeah!
I have no complain whatsoever of the podium finish tonight. They deserved it and I'm not taking away anything from them. I stood up and clapped for Boyang when he finished. Same for Hanyu. Same for Javi. And same for Uno. Too sad to continue watching Patrick! I screamed a little too loud for Nathan though. But that doesn't make me an agent for him. You got to give it to him... No one dared to go in that territory tonight but him alone! Don't we love to cheer for the underdog which he was, in 17th place.
The "what if" scenario is just simply hypothetical. That's it!
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I tried to post earlier but the server had crashed for some strange reason, lol.
Congrats to the medallists!!!!!!
Hanyu was a worthy repeat Olympic champion and kudos for bouncing back from injury and winning gold with authority and humility. He should be very proud of that result and is to be commended for his resilience and hard work, and superb OGM-worthy skating.
Uno was splendid too save for the 4L fall. His jumps were a bit tight but man he fought for everything and is a worthy silver medalist. Congrats for the 1-2 Japanese finish and nice to see him smile!
Sooo happy for Javier - he was the medal I wanted most --- history for Spain!!! Lovely freeskate for him!
Chen and Zhou set the technical bar incredibly high, even beating all 3 medalists technically. Jin was awesome as well - monster skate for him and I can't wait to see him over the next quad.
And of course Nathan should be commended for absolutely dominating everyone in the freeskate (including the medalists) to comeback after the SP. Glad he was able to show the world what he's capable of.
I know Patrick didn't have the skate he wanted but he got that 3A finally and his program is gorgeous. Respectable end to his Olympic career. Props to Messing for his personal best too.
Many great skates - Rippon, Hendrickx, Bychenko, Rizzo, Ge. Congratulations to the men's field for stepping it up from Sochi - harder difficulty but somehow cleaner.
arty:
Great job guys!
Congrats to the medallists!!!!!!
Hanyu was a worthy repeat Olympic champion and kudos for bouncing back from injury and winning gold with authority and humility. He should be very proud of that result and is to be commended for his resilience and hard work, and superb OGM-worthy skating.
Uno was splendid too save for the 4L fall. His jumps were a bit tight but man he fought for everything and is a worthy silver medalist. Congrats for the 1-2 Japanese finish and nice to see him smile!
Sooo happy for Javier - he was the medal I wanted most --- history for Spain!!! Lovely freeskate for him!
Chen and Zhou set the technical bar incredibly high, even beating all 3 medalists technically. Jin was awesome as well - monster skate for him and I can't wait to see him over the next quad.
And of course Nathan should be commended for absolutely dominating everyone in the freeskate (including the medalists) to comeback after the SP. Glad he was able to show the world what he's capable of.
I know Patrick didn't have the skate he wanted but he got that 3A finally and his program is gorgeous. Respectable end to his Olympic career. Props to Messing for his personal best too.
Many great skates - Rippon, Hendrickx, Bychenko, Rizzo, Ge. Congratulations to the men's field for stepping it up from Sochi - harder difficulty but somehow cleaner.
arty:Great job guys!
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So happy for Javi. I live in Spain and have a soft spot for all Spanish athletes, whichever sport they practice. I have hoped for Olympic medal for Javi since his first top 10 in Europeans a good couple of years ago. Together with my husband and mother-in-law I saw him in two Grand Prix Finals in Barcelona and after the Sochi disappointment we desired this medal for him. With the emerging youngsters, the quad battle and the way this season Javi competed, I sincerely doubted he would reach the podium. But, as the case of Aliona proved, never give up on the veterans and people with jaw-dropping determination to achieve their goals.
It's worth mentioning that Javi's medal is only the fourth WOG medal for Spain. Until this Olympiad, Spain only enjoyed 1 gold from Sapporo and 1 bronze from Albertville (interesting to know that both medals were won by a brother and a sister). Two days ago other bronze medal was gained in snowboard and today the statistics was improved by Javi.
Of course, so proud of Hanyu for his second historic gold medal and congratulations to Shoma (although I would rather see him with the bronze medal).
By the way, until now all my dreams regarding the podium are becoming true: gold for the Canada team, gold for Aljona and Bruno, medal for Javi. The only dream that is left is the second individual Olympic gold medal for Tessa and Scoot. I don't follow the ladies, although it would be fun and incredible if grandma Carolina, following Sochi example, had another skating of her life and grabbed the bronze medal.
It's worth mentioning that Javi's medal is only the fourth WOG medal for Spain. Until this Olympiad, Spain only enjoyed 1 gold from Sapporo and 1 bronze from Albertville (interesting to know that both medals were won by a brother and a sister). Two days ago other bronze medal was gained in snowboard and today the statistics was improved by Javi.
Of course, so proud of Hanyu for his second historic gold medal and congratulations to Shoma (although I would rather see him with the bronze medal).
By the way, until now all my dreams regarding the podium are becoming true: gold for the Canada team, gold for Aljona and Bruno, medal for Javi. The only dream that is left is the second individual Olympic gold medal for Tessa and Scoot. I don't follow the ladies, although it would be fun and incredible if grandma Carolina, following Sochi example, had another skating of her life and grabbed the bronze medal.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why it's a crime to imagine "what if" scenarios either. I know gymnastics fans who still wonder what if about 1988 and 1992.
You look at it from medal at majors. Having an OFF night or two might be crumbling to you but I charged it to experience. He figured it out tonight. Didn't he?
How about putting yourself in the OLYMPIC RECORD BOOK? Doesn't it take mental toughness too?
I'm not getting offended by any of you. Just having an adult conversation if that's alright?
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Nathan scored less PCS here than he did in GPF. Iβm not sure what all the drama is about but itβs kinda entertaining me
I felt he was overscored in PCS here, but most certainly in his SP, too.
In the GPF, he had some performance quality to him. Here, he was mostly focused on landing his jumps.
If two ridiculous PCS scores had combined to push him over any of the top four, that would have been unfair. Add to that the fact that I don't think Nathan's quads should receive practically the same GOEs as Yuzu's or Boyang's (as they usually do, haven't looked at the protocols yet), even though they have very little flow out of them, it would have been a ridiculous result seeing him any higher than 5th (would even say 6th had Aliev not hurt himself+planned only two quads).
Even at the end of GPF I felt it was a possibility that Nathan would simply be written into the Gold or at least onto the podium by the US Media.
Also, I don't have a problem with Nathan at all. It is, as usual, the lack of transparency and fairness in judging. In another forum, there were people who were openly confessing that they were thinking "Fall, fall, fall" during the final flight of skaters. Tara Lipinski herself said that Nathan needed people to fall (or something along those lines) on national TV, and NBC commentators and interviewers had a very unprofessional attitude during this whole event. Saying "Jin doesn't deserve that PCS" is intellectually dishonest if you believe Nathan did for what he put out. (And Johnny saying that Jun Hwan was too "juniorish" is the single most foolish claim they've made since telling us all that Medvedeva has a "textbook Lutz".) The hype train was extremely awful, and this is what it brought out of the audience and the media (and let's not forget Nathan himself during his SP).
Thank you. But I kinda enjoy being in the background while y'all share your thoughts on the programs. Apart from my stance that "artistry in figure skating should not be compromise nor sacrifice for snowboard-ish excitement".
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I honestly probably didn't want hanyu to win. I think Virtue and Moir deserve a second gold more than Hanyu and others deserved pairs gold rather than thequasi GErman team lol - Aliona find a country and partner that is best for h er winning. However,the favorites are set V and M will not be gold The Fenchhave it in thebag. And Hanyu was thefavehere too and Ido thinkhe deserved to winwitorwithouta new program. ITisabout thejumps.Theprogramwas soso.Therealartistswere GE, Chan, even the second Canadian guy and of course Adam. It is about the jumps. I respect Hanyu even though I think his attempt at cuteness is wearing thin over 20. He came back from injury and did the amazing tricks that seems tobe what the sport is all about. in the past skaters like Kwan could beat a jumping bean but probably not so much now. Congratulations to all the medallists though. I personally think Shoma's skating is really messy and not deffinitive or clear - definitely not pure skating. Javier is Javier. But just as Chan seems fading; javier's program are looking tired or all too much the same.
Poor Boyang so so close but good job. Vincent did very well and seems to have a bit of an attitude. And was there a chill in that waiting area with his compatrot??? I found Vincent sloppy, not musical or artistic. But he can jump. The top ten were great overall sadly thet wo most entertaining artistically were in 9th and 10th. And nice try Russia but you guys are a hot mess - pick a skater and go with them lol.
Poor Boyang so so close but good job. Vincent did very well and seems to have a bit of an attitude. And was there a chill in that waiting area with his compatrot??? I found Vincent sloppy, not musical or artistic. But he can jump. The top ten were great overall sadly thet wo most entertaining artistically were in 9th and 10th. And nice try Russia but you guys are a hot mess - pick a skater and go with them lol.
I don't consider Hanyus free skate in Sochi a great Olympic performance by any means. Hanyu got super lucky field not as strong.
Nathan had only been to one worlds. Shoma and Hanyu at the time Olympics more. Shoma one more. Plus when Hanyu came up he had Daisuke taking off some of the pressure in beginning as did Shoma.
The pressure on Nathan too much. I think Nathan will figure it out.
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After seeing it mentioned here, I checked Ashley's twitter to see the comments she had made, and honestly, I'm kind of disappointed with her. 
hwell:
It just seems incredibly rude to single out Boyang and go on and on about his programs having nothing but crossovers while completely ignoring Nathan and Vincent's crossovers-and-quads fests (and truthfully, Adam is a bit heavy on the crossovers, too, in my opinion
). Seems a little hypocritical to me. It would be one thing to say that in private or in a forum like this, but to put that out to thousands of followers while being a huge name in figure skating herself is, in my opinion, very unkind and unprofessional.
I've always been a fan of Ashley's, but I can't see what she's been saying tonight in any positive light.
hwell:It just seems incredibly rude to single out Boyang and go on and on about his programs having nothing but crossovers while completely ignoring Nathan and Vincent's crossovers-and-quads fests (and truthfully, Adam is a bit heavy on the crossovers, too, in my opinion
). Seems a little hypocritical to me. It would be one thing to say that in private or in a forum like this, but to put that out to thousands of followers while being a huge name in figure skating herself is, in my opinion, very unkind and unprofessional. I've always been a fan of Ashley's, but I can't see what she's been saying tonight in any positive light.
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I'm still in a state of euphoria! Yuzu is a super deserved champion with his Seimei. He deserves it much more now than he did in Sochi.
Shoma is the next ruler. Luckily, we've got used to it already.
Javi. Yeah, Javi. I wished the gold for him to underpin his wonderful career. But losing to Yuzu today, no questions asked. He single-handedly put a whole country on the map of figure skating. I'm hoping he will be as great a coach some day as Brian is. A true example for young, aspiring athletes.
As for Brian Orser. Oh man, I love you more than ever! What a guy. Now go to Russia, make a deal with Eteri, and teach the boys there how to get it done.
Shoma is the next ruler. Luckily, we've got used to it already.
Javi. Yeah, Javi. I wished the gold for him to underpin his wonderful career. But losing to Yuzu today, no questions asked. He single-handedly put a whole country on the map of figure skating. I'm hoping he will be as great a coach some day as Brian is. A true example for young, aspiring athletes.
As for Brian Orser. Oh man, I love you more than ever! What a guy. Now go to Russia, make a deal with Eteri, and teach the boys there how to get it done.
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