2018 Olympic Figure Skating Mens FS

[bixby]

to all the people complaining about nathan's goe and pcs, everyone has known that the judging and awarding of goe and pcs has been broken for a long time. As others have pointed out, he has received better goe and pcs for similar quadfests with empty programs. It should come as no surprise that he received the goe and pcs he got. It doesn't matter whether he deserved the scores or not as written in the cop. The judges have been giving him such goe and pcs for a while and will continue to do so. It's not nathan's fault that the judges are giving him these scores. He's taking advantage of the current system and it makes no sense for him to change that if it will give him high scores.

Therefore, the answer for others is that they can take advantage of the system in a similar way. Yuzu, boyang and shoma are all capable of doing programs with 5-6 quads + 1 or 2 triple axels with only crossovers between the jumps and then tacking on the step sequences and spins. In fact, they could all probably do nathan's program if they changed up the jumps/combos as needed and just skated it to different music. It would be boring but they should get similar or better goe and similar pcs or the judges would be caught out.

If nathan starts winning over them with his quad filled but empty programs, then it is their own fault if they don't change their layouts to take advantage of the judging in the same way.

agree!

 

[Ophelia]

Hanyu on his injury. Really in shock as to how he managed to pull it off.

12. Did you practice the entire fs in toronto?

“a couple of times. However, i was still quite wary of my ankle’s condition. Although i did not intend to make any comments regarding the state of my ankle, the condition is really serious, more than what i have expected. Not only did the initial diagnosis showed that there was ligament damage, other body parts were affected as well, and the off-ice period was really long. Hence, in a sense, rather than the issue of stamina, my unease towards being back on ice was greater.”

 

[bixby]

So long as Hanyu skated after nathan Hanyu would have still won no matter what. he would have changed his program to combat a more threatening chen. And nathan might have been hurt more with pcs skating back to back in the last group. i know judges should know better but being in the first group could have helped nathan "look better" because even on a personal level, if there's a situation where it could go either way judges may have giving him a little boost given what happened in short program since they figured he would not win anyway but did not deserve to be in 17th place.

nathans lack of artistry would have been more evident back to back with hanyu, shoma and javi.

That is so true! And his superior athleticism would have been more evident back to back with Hanyu, Shoma and Javi and their lack of?

 

[#1Kerryfan]

I watched with my coworker last night, but I wanted to pop in and say last night was one of the best nights of skating I've ever seen. I'd put Nathan's performance in the top five performances I've seen and I'm so proud of him for coming back like that. I'm proud of all three American men - I could see both Nathan and Vincent on the podium in 2022. The Pooh tornado after Hanyu's performance was amazing. Other than Nathan, I'd say Javier's performance was my favorite I'm so glad he made history and got Spain their first medal

 

[ks777]

Javi and maybe Boyang were robbed. If judged correctly I think Javi silver, Boyang bronze.

Boyang was not robbed. Check the score first before make up a lie. Boyang scored more than 8 points lower in LP than Shoma. Even if Shoma received 0 points for his 4Loop, he would have been still ahead of Boyang in LP alone.

I do agree that Shoma's 4Loop should have been downgraded.

 

[bixby]

You could say that about everyone who has ever won a gold medal and everyone who didn't. We could be here for days. It would never end.

I know that in my heart... Well said my friend!

 

[ks777]

What would Shoma's score be, if this had been taken into account?

(Edit) I like both and I'm happy with the podium, but I'd be even happier if Javi had taken silver. However, I'm not savy enough to know if it would have been fair, so just honest question also the most important thing was: he was satisfied with the performance! That's the best part

Shoma would have been 3rd. It depends if he would get underrotation or downgrade.

 

[OniBan]

I was critiquing the judging not the skater - nathan does just jump but he does at least have a choreographed program. It's not right if true if the chinese judge was giving Boliang +3 GOE and not giving it to the Japanese skaters and Javi or if they were not being judged equally on the GOEs. It's hard to get +3 GOEs. Like I said I did not look at protocols, I am just responding to what Skating Lesson tweeted. I actually don't think the Chinese judge was doing it had anything to do with Nathan - I think it had to do with waiting to give Boliang the scores to get over Shoma and Javi. Those are the skaters who potentially could have been robbed

All three podum finisheers have a great blend of artistry and jumps - the judges are sending a clear message. Boliang, Nathan, Vincent need more aritristry. It's a good thing for the sport that Nathan messed up the short because otherwise he would have won and that would have sent a clear message that you can win by being a jumper.

Y'all forgetting the fact that the US judge (judge no.2) gave Nathan 9s across the board for PCS: 9.00 for his Transition in the FS, just 0.25 lower than Yuzuru's TR in Seimei, equal to Hanyu in Composition, and 0.25 points higher than Hanyu in Performance. According to the same judge, Nathan's skating skills are only 0.25 points lower than Patrick Chan. And that he's basically the same in Skating Skills as Javier Fernandez and Shoma Uno.

So... in a strange way these judges cancel each other out with their nationalistic tendencies. If the Chinese judge gave Boyang effusive +GOE all around, the American judge also showered Nathan (her home country skater) with VERY generous PCS.

Also, with this I'm not sure if Nathan is getting a clear msg that he needs improve his artistry if the PCS just rise exponentially with each landed jump. But that's the way the sport is headed now isn't it?

 

[kimganos]

That is so true! And his superior athleticism would have been more evident back to back with Hanyu, Shoma and Javi and their lack of?

Come on now! Nathan is a force to be reckoned with to be sure but to diminish the amazing talents of Javi and Shoma and Yuzu is just really borderline ridiculous!

 

[bixby]

SHAUN WHITE WINS FOURTH OLYMPIC GOLD IN FIGURE SKATING 2022! He'll introduced the double mctwist 1480 into the ice arena!

Wait! Shaun White doing quad axel? What about Apollo Ohno? Oh, his speed... What will be the criteria for PCS???

 

[bixby]

You go girl :agree: Now I know how one should respond to these :shocked: comments.

 

[HanDomi]

Well... I think that's quite compliment for Hanyu that he doesn't have to jump as many quads as Nathan and still have FS score PB a lot better than 6 quad FS from Nathan.


Quality over quantinty.

 

[Logirl]

During the medal ceremony shoma looked quite sad. i guess he really figured he was going to get gold- often the silver medalists is the one most disappointed than the bronze medalist. Javi looked happy on the podium as of course did Hanyu. Shame seemed in a bit of a daze -not clear if it was all disappointment or exhaustion.

Did you see Shoma interview. Shoma did not think he should get gold. Shoma was not happy with his skate. And interviews prior to this Shoma not expecting gold. Shoma is just a serious person and sees himself as a work in progress.

 

[bixby]

I watched with my coworker last night, but I wanted to pop in and say last night was one of the best nights of skating I've ever seen. I'd put Nathan's performance in the top five performances I've seen and I'm so proud of him for coming back like that. I'm proud of all three American men - I could see both Nathan and Vincent on the podium in 2022. The Pooh tornado after Hanyu's performance was amazing. Other than Nathan, I'd say Javier's performance was my favorite I'm so glad he made history and got Spain their first medal

Great post!

 

[bixby]

Well... I think that's quite compliment for Hanyu that he doesn't have to jump as many quads as Nathan and still have FS score PB a lot better than 6 quad FS from Nathan.


Quality over quantinty.

Wait. Per FS results quantity won over quality last night. Hanyu came second in the long. Nathan scored 9 points higher than Hanyu in the free. Overall, Hanyu WON.

 

[Fresca]

So maybe the ISU/IOC and every figure skating board should just change their scoring to 70% technical and 30% artistry/choreography?

Personally, I don't think any changes to COP would make much difference between which programs/skaters win now vs. after the rule change. More than the COP or how the COP is changed, what matters is the way the judges choose to apply the different rules.

Or maybe let's ditch the music, costumes, choreography altogether then and have figure skateboarding. Sounds fun?

Sure, if the judges are going to score those kinds of programs higher. If a skater comes out and does only quads with no music, no costumes, no choroegraphy but scores higher than everyone else, then the judges have sent the loud and clear message - only quads are needed, not music, costumes or choreography.

The point is, in figure skating it is the judges who determine what kind of programs win. If skaters want to win, they need to design their programs to be advantageous to what they can do and what the judges are going to score highly. Even if I as a spectator don't like what judges are rewarding, I don't blame the skaters for wanting to win.

 

[kimganos]

Wait. Per FS results quantity won over quality last night. Hanyu came second in the long. Nathan scored 9 points higher than Hanyu in the free. Overall, Hanyu WON.

I believe Handomi is referring to Hanyu's PB FS at 2017 Worlds with his Hope and Legacy program.

 

[HanDomi]

OF course I am.

Yesterday quantiny won just because Hanyu missed combination points. Had he finished 4T-3S he would have beaten Nathan's FS doing only 4T and 4S

 

[ChefAnt]

This is actually my stance on how this era of figure skating should not compromise nor sacrifice artistry for quads/jumps or the snowboarding excitement. Because the artistry in figure skating is what sets it apart from other winter sports such as snowboarding.

So if the ISU/IOC/skating boards want more of the snowboarding excitement, a change in judging criteria should be in place. Is it not? And change the name of sport figure skating to figure skateboarding.

I do think they are already sending that message of quads -quads -quads this tournament though. A shame to figure skating and its uniqueness as a winter sport. And everyone's gonna crash and burn before they reach their 25 years of age.

I'm interested to see what develops after the Olympics as well. The -/+ 5 GOE can be a game changer or reinforces the quadfest. We'll see. I do think they should raise the PCS factor to 2.4 meaning a perfect score is 120 which would be on par with what the technical content will be in the coming cycle. As broken as PCS score is, it still separates jumpers from skaters or at least in theory it does.

 

[miso]

I'm interested to see what develops after the Olympics as well. The -/+ 5 GOE can be a game changer or reinforces the quadfest. We'll see. I do think they should raise the PCS factor to 2.4 meaning a perfect score is 120 which would be on par with what the technical content will be in the coming cycle. As broken as PCS score is, it still separates jumpers from skaters or at least in theory it does.

We'll see. We might have a Shaun White-snowboarder as a skater in the future.