Deliberately singling the 3A in this free skate shows maybe Raffie and Nate are thinking the same thing as you are. Plus Nathan can sort of get rid of the sword of Damocles feeling before he jumps the 3A. He might feel more confident. "Hurray, no 3A at all, I can relax and do my best." rather than "Ugh, 3A, I am sure my landing will be wobbly like jello."
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Deliberately singling the 3A in this free skate shows maybe Raffie and Nate are thinking the same thing as you are. Plus Nathan can sort of get rid of the sword of Damocles feeling before he jumps the 3A. He might feel more confident. "Hurray, no 3A at all, I can relax and do my best." rather than "Ugh, 3A, I am sure my landing will be wobbly like jello."
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Yeah, he won’t have the monkey on his back. I still think he would need the 2A over a 1A, because pops usually get negative GOE, even if they are pretty open Axels. It would also affect performance a tad, I would suppose. He just didn’t need it here tonight at all.
What does Jackie's chart imply? That Adam and Jason should be sent over Ross and Vincent?
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Random thoughts:
I dislike the talk about "Vincent can always have his Olympic moment in 4 years." That argument was leveled against Polina Edmunds in Sochi. If that advice had been followed, then Polina would never (in all probability) ever have had her Olympic experience.
During the competition, I wondered if the tech panel was being overly harsh on Vincent - trying to keep him within reach of Adam and Jason. If they were, they have lived to regret it. If Ross had finished 3rd, they would have dumped him in favor of Adam - pretty much without a lot of controversy. The committee might still make that decision, but it will be much more controversial.
I can't see them leaving Vincent off the team. Even with the URs, he at least has the capability of a monster skate. And I personally think his 4Z3T(Rip) is the best jumping pass I have ever seen in my life.
Even though I've been off the Jason bandwagon for a while, I was unexpectedly saddened to see his performance. I can't say I was entirely surprised, but I felt badly for him. If he has any plans to continue skating, I hope he goes with a new coaching team. Otherwise, I really don't see the point.
I thought about Mrs P when Ross skated - I know she was over the moon. Good for him, and good for her for sticking by him.
I dislike the talk about "Vincent can always have his Olympic moment in 4 years." That argument was leveled against Polina Edmunds in Sochi. If that advice had been followed, then Polina would never (in all probability) ever have had her Olympic experience.
During the competition, I wondered if the tech panel was being overly harsh on Vincent - trying to keep him within reach of Adam and Jason. If they were, they have lived to regret it. If Ross had finished 3rd, they would have dumped him in favor of Adam - pretty much without a lot of controversy. The committee might still make that decision, but it will be much more controversial.
I can't see them leaving Vincent off the team. Even with the URs, he at least has the capability of a monster skate. And I personally think his 4Z3T(Rip) is the best jumping pass I have ever seen in my life.
Even though I've been off the Jason bandwagon for a while, I was unexpectedly saddened to see his performance. I can't say I was entirely surprised, but I felt badly for him. If he has any plans to continue skating, I hope he goes with a new coaching team. Otherwise, I really don't see the point.
I thought about Mrs P when Ross skated - I know she was over the moon. Good for him, and good for her for sticking by him.
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I suppose we'll never know if this happened - but USF should've been pushing Jason for a coaching change. He was already a tremendous artist, he didn't need help with that - but he's needed technical help for years now and it's clear Kori wasn't able to provide it.
If that is your approach to justification, then lets just skip nationals and not do it - lets just base everything off of the skaters’ past results and resume. I understand its more nuanced but theres a reason why nationals is basically qualifations - a chance to prove what they can do. Im tired of these free passes these “ashleys” think they are owed
Aw, that's sweet. I was absolutely over the moon for Ross, so the heartbreak Jason gave me 20 minutes later cause some major whiplash for me . I think had Ross not skated as well, the heartbreak for Jason would have been even worse.
I will maintain that Kori is not to blame for Jason's struggles this season, so I don't agree that a coaching change is what he needs per se. Having gone to some of the practices and observed them at the boards, Kori is very calm with him. He is at ease with her. As I said, he was not missing jumps in the warm-ups either prior to the SP or the FS. Not only was he not missing the jumps, the jumps looked really nice. No URs, good spring, lots of flow out.
I think a coach can only do so much when a skater has to work through issues -- whether mental or physical. Jason psyched himself out after that opening quad--I'm not sure if there was anything Kori or Rohene could have done beforehand to prevent that. And he's been psyching himself out all season. I'm not sure a coaching change would have really helped with this.
But YMMV, always. And I'm not a professional, just my impressions based on what I observed. And all that said, he may benefit form at least having another coaching perspective. That does seem to be more of the trend among skaters these days -- see Vincent and his multiple coaches and Andrew Torgashev has started working with Christy Krall on a part-time basis.
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What do you think would happen if there was no axel in a free skate program?
Would one of the jumping pass be marked invalid? or
They give a penalty in the PCS? or
They ignored it like ignoring no steps into solo non-axel triple in short program
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Old designer tryna be #edgy lol - unless this is a preview of her next kohl’s collab?! Hahahaha
She should stick to bridal and women’s ready to wear......her fantasy in playing dress up with evan is done....i found the graphic stripes in the short and the exposed zip/hardware to be verrrrrrry distracting, out of character (for both vera and nathan) and ...tasteless.VERA WANG IS JUST A DISASTER FOR NATHAN. LOOK, EVER SINCE HE STARTED WEARING VERA'S CLOTHING, HE STOPPED DOING HIS 3AXEL
MAYBE VERA CHOPPED OFF NATHAN'S CURLS TOO.
Old designer tryna be #edgy lol - unless this is a preview of her next kohl’s collab?! Hahahaha
This advice is about 4 years too late, or at least has been given for the last 4 years but totally ignored.
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"If an unprescribed or additional element (performed) substitutes a required element (not performed), the respective box will be blocked and this performed element will be considered as not according to the requirements (no value)."
So there is your answer (from a PDF copy of the ISU Technical Rules manual I have saved on my computer)
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I don't get the hate on Nathans costumes. I thought they were pretty decent and definitely an improvement.
I don't think they are atrocious, but they don't exactly scream genius design or "work of art." At the end of the day though, what's most important is whether Nathan is comfortable and can perform his best in them.
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I assume they'd mark the last jump pass as invalid? I don't remember if there's ever been a case where one doesn't do even a (popped) 1A. I'm curious too.
Why is everyone blaming Jason's "coaching team" for his technical deficiencies? I rarely hear that used as an excuse for other skaters. In any case, perhaps his current team was not helping him learn a quad well, but the numerous mistakes on triple jumps he used to be able to do was on totally on him.
Kori has a team of coaches to assist her skaters. Last I heard, Vincent Restencourt helping Jason with jumps.
That was a while ago. Vincent is doing his own thing. Is Doug Ladret still over there?
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What about the Olympics selection? When is it going to be announced?
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