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2018 Worlds Mens Free Skate

Shoma Uno is just not a good competitor and is not skating good under pressure (unless Yuzuru is there an taking all the pressure from him). He had the chance to win the GPF in his hometown, but nope.... He had the chance to win worlds in such a weak field, but nope... I'm afraid Yuzuru won't be allowed to retire (one day) :shame:
Uno had problems with new boots and injured his right ankle in practice a day before the competition. He could not jump the quad flip and loup at all, but he still went for them when he shouldn't have even competed. And I don't think that he is a bad competitor, considering that he hasn't had any total splats like this when healthy.
 
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Well, do you remember when 70% of the total score was for figures? Skating has always evolved, and not always in a good way. The changes next year will be interesting to watch. And as for Nathan's free skate, and I think I've said this before, I prefer it to the over the top dramatic faces and movements that we sometimes see. As for PCS marks, I've never had any training in how they are determined so I am not one to judge or even compare. I could easily say that Kostner's PCS scores were way too high for the way she skated. I could say quite a bit about that. But, it's not my place, nor am I qualified to do so. Some people come across as knowing more than the judges. and I think many of these comments are quite unkind, unfair, and if some skaters read this forum--can be demotivating.

I also think that Nathan--at 18--and really just two years on the senior world stage (if I recall correctly) has a lot of time to develop his artistry if he so chooses to remain. I've been reading so many pages of Nathan bashing that I have a really bad taste in my mouth right now. Since when have we all become expert judges. Since when do we have the same vantage point as the judging panel. Having sat in a few live audiences at major US comps before, I can tell you that watching the same event live is far different than watching it on TV. I am happy to have watched the clean skates that I did, and I feel badly for those who didn't skate their best.

but we are all expert at judging here, we have slow mode eyes that can see UR before the judge panel even have a chance to review.. plus we are all expert in how pleasing a program is because of yearssss of posting.. and when it come to someone threatening the status of our favorite, the claws really come out.. :drama::laugh2::con3::rolleye:
 
Well, in my opinion, the judges were in a tough place. After Shoma's very very very VERY generous PCS, Nathan had to have more. They were both overscored but 3 falls severely impacts the quality and presentation of a program. There's no way Nathan wasn't going to have higher PCS than Shoma with a clean skate, it wouldn't be right.

What they need to do is stop giving out PCS on reputation. Neither of them should've been that high, and definitely not the highest of the night... But after how the night went and the state of Men's Singles right now, I do understand Chen's ridiculous PCS.
 
It's horrible to me that those falls are worth more than for example, Dima popping his 4t to a 3t and getting 0 points. Falls should not be worth more than Zayaking...especially repeated falls.
nvm... LOL should read everything carefully before posting... :slink:
 
When will I ever learn never to trust Nathan's planned layout? He said five quads, but when I saw that second flip I knew he was going for it again. It's the same as the start of the season when he said he wasn't focus on a quad loop, and then landed on a day later. He's the master poker player.

And his flips in this FS are his best this whole season!
 
I don't care what anyone says. I am very proud of Shona. He came into this event injured and did his best to ensure Japan kept their spots. Today he didn't go in to win, he was in fifth and in no shape to really compete at his best. I'm proud that he fought to the end.
 
Crazy to think that Chen need six clean quads with 4 lz and 4F to beat Hanyu 4 quads programs. And Hanyu didn't even get any +3. They have almost the same TES.

You're comparing Hanyu at his peak to an 18 year old. Nathan won with an exclamation point here. And he still has room to get better.
 
How many boring plain black costumes does he own?

I beg to differ, I think Nathan’s costume is classy and sophisticated in its simplicity, and the hambok-inspired collar (which I assume was intentional for Pyeongchang and just makes me smile) is a brilliant and innovative design detail.
 
Nathan skated like a true champion. It's nitpicking to compare him to some other competitor in another competition.

I'm not comparing him to anyone. I'm merely stating that his skating skills are not worthy of 9's, regardless of who's present at the competition.
 
Nathan skated like a true champion. It's nitpicking to compare him to some other competitor in another competition.

Is it crazy to expect judges to show some consistency and for the scores to be applied in some kind of logical, objective fashion across competitions and to different competitors, according to the guidelines? I guess so, since it never happens, but it's not "nitpicking" to call judges out for this kind of thing. Nathan still would've won if they hadn't gone nuts with his PCS.
 
The US Men Barely held on to their 3rd spot in spite of what happened to Vincent. If Nathan hadn't won. we'd be down to 2 spots just like our ladies.
 
someone with a radar gun to clock the speed would be good to, that way there is not dispute....:biggrin:

I was just asking. Personally I didn't notice anything, but the only competition I ever went live the speed differences were noticeable. I'm not sure why you feel the need the make fun of me.
 
Is it crazy to expect judges to show some consistency and for the scores to be applied in some kind of logical, objective fashion across competitions and to different competitors, according to the guidelines? I guess so, since it never happens, but it's not "nitpicking" to call judges out for this kind of thing. Nathan still would've won if they hadn't gone nuts with his PCS.

It's nitpicking because he still would have won no matter what score he received in skating skills.
 
I don't care what anyone says. I am very proud of Shona. He came into this event injured and did his best to ensure Japan kept their spots. Today he didn't go in to win, he was in fifth and in no shape to really compete at his best. I'm proud that he fought to the end.

of course, he did the best he can : he's a great champion : he came to represent Japan and he can be proud of his program even though he failed some jumps. I love this skater.
 
Can I give Vincent a hug? I think he needs a hug. MAAAAAAAAAAAX YOU'RE NEEDED

I'm going to chalk up Nathan's PCS and GOE to basically judges joy that he skated a cleanish skate. Honestly when you sit through something like that --and you're exhausted from a long competition, you're a bit less sharp on the scoring.

There's studies that show that judges tend to give less precise verdicts after a long day of hearings/trials. I think a similar thing was at play here.

This is basically all that was. People keep bashing and harping on it but after that disaster of a final group, I can't say I wouldn't just start throwing 9s to someone who managed to stay on his feet. People are just complaining because he's Nathan. They can't complain because he actually didn't fall so it's going to be the PCS.
 
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