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I'm not sure originality of composition was ever referring of it being "original" or new to a particular skater.

Pretty much. If anything it's why skaters sometimes revert to old programs or "safe" styles, because judges don't like it when they experiment too much.

So even though I'm sure it happens, it cannot be a pre-requisite for judges to compare each skater's individual growth/experimentation from season to season.
 
So. I saw that Trusova fell on many jumps. The quad queen. I am pretty sure as with this age group that should not be senior ladies, she hit a growth spurt and now is out of sorts. I am tired of pre pubescent girls winning medals for 'tricks' that they won't be able to do when they get a women's body. They are taking medals from women who have been in the sport for years. Raise the Senior Ladies age to 17. These young girls win their models then quit (Tara Lapinski anyone?) the only young girls I saw that kept athletic prowess after their growth spurts and didn't steal medals from senior skaters that paid their dues are was Mao Asada and Michelle Kwan. 14 and 15 is not senior anything.
 
I think it's too early to tell whether this generation will be able to keep the quads. Elizabet landed the 4S after the age of 17, and Liza and Rika have shown quads in practice. I don't want to see a situation where the World and Olympic title go to a revolving door of 15 and 16 year olds. I think that's bad for the sport because it doesn't give fans enough time to feel invested in their favorite skaters if their senior career spans two years. However, I strongly favor the biggest title holders being the best in the world, whatever their age. Having the young skaters compete also makes for interesting match-ups, like a 23 year old Liza stepping in and beating the prodigies with her experience and steadiness.
 
I am tired of pre pubescent girls winning medals for 'tricks' that they won't be able to do when they get a women's body
This is rather ironic considering Sasha didn't win a medal last week.

Also what is a "woman's body" anyway? A lot of people think Elizabet T doesn't have a 'woman's body" considering she's now 20 she probably won't develop more so is she supposed to be forbidden from competition forever?
 
I think the Rostelecom podium correlated pretty accurately with the cup size, so not sure what the problem with that particular competition was.

speaking of which, Trusova so far kept her amazing core strength and muscular power into her 16th year. One more year, and all will be well.

and if some fans have problems with ‘short’ careers, they can start watching JGP and JW to support the developing athletes
 
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So. I saw that Trusova fell on many jumps. The quad queen. I am pretty sure as with this age group that should not be senior ladies, she hit a growth spurt and now is out of sorts. I am tired of pre pubescent girls winning medals for 'tricks' that they won't be able to do when they get a women's body. They are taking medals from women who have been in the sport for years. Raise the Senior Ladies age to 17. These young girls win their models then quit (Tara Lapinski anyone?) the only young girls I saw that kept athletic prowess after their growth spurts and didn't steal medals from senior skaters that paid their dues are was Mao Asada and Michelle Kwan. 14 and 15 is not senior anything.

For starters most skaters on the elite level (starting at 15) have been training for years, so they have certainly been paying their dues. Additionally there's no indication at this point that Trusova has a physical problem completing her elements in practice, it's an issue that shows up in competition which is generally a mental issue not physical.

Also what's with the "when they get a woman's body"; women's bodies are diverse are you proposing some type of measurement equals women's body to define what stage a female can compete at - there are plenty of women with or without proper diet and exercise are small-framed without the stereotypical "womens curves" are they forever relegated to the junior circuit?
 
So. I saw that Trusova fell on many jumps. The quad queen. I am pretty sure as with this age group that should not be senior ladies, she hit a growth spurt and now is out of sorts. I am tired of pre pubescent girls winning medals for 'tricks' that they won't be able to do when they get a women's body. They are taking medals from women who have been in the sport for years. Raise the Senior Ladies age to 17. These young girls win their models then quit (Tara Lapinski anyone?) the only young girls I saw that kept athletic prowess after their growth spurts and didn't steal medals from senior skaters that paid their dues are was Mao Asada and Michelle Kwan. 14 and 15 is not senior anything.
You do know that Sasha didn't medal right?? Also, wtaf. This is such a sexist comment. I am curious to know what exactly a "women's body" is? Finally, "tricks" is incredibly demeaning. There is nothing simple about it. And how exactly are they "taking medals from women who have been in the sport for years?" The competition you're complaining about Liza WON. And she won landing 3As. Also you do know that Liza learned her quad at the age of 22 right? Also, Liza WAS the junior phenomenon that used to win against older competitors. The whole point of medals is to be the best. If you're not, then you definitely didn't have one taken from you. If you lost, then (at least on that given day) you weren't the best. It is just that simple. You don't get medals just because you've been in the sport for awhile. Which, btw they all have been. Also, no one is saying 14 is a senior - it is a junior. Quite frankly, this entire post is absurd. And one argument for Kwan and Asada continuing is that they HADN'T achieved their goals. Other than love of the sport, and I would hope they have other interests as well, what other reason would you have for continuing a sport once you're reached the pinnacle. You've achieved your goals. You don't owe it to anymore to continue unless you want to. UGH.
 
She had a bad day - trying quads no less. The fact that she's maintained her quads, and is going for even harder ones, during a pandemic is phenomenal. And when the rhythm of a jump isn't working on a particular day, it isn't a matter of puberty or anything like that - it's just a matter of the skater having a bad day. Sure, if she has splatfests all season, you might have a point but you're making a mountain out of a molehill here.

Zagitova lost 2018 Worlds after one of her worst career skates and people thought she was DONE, and then won both of her GPs and Worlds the year after.

Also skaters don't need to give any medals to those who paid their dues. Why should a skater have to "wait their turn" to pick up hardware. The skaters who paid their dues are welcome to learn quads themselves (like Liza). In a field as saturated as Russian ladies, if you can learn quads and stand out and push the sport, more power to you. I know there's the ongoing conversation about concern for a skater's body, but why allow them to learn triple-triples then if triple-doubles or double-doubles would be safer?

Trusova might be cutting her career shorter by going after quads, but the very reason anyone even knows who she is, and the very reason she has any shot to win this early in her senior career, is largely attributed to her quads. And she (rightfully) didn't even medal here whereas other skaters have fallen 4 or 5 times and medaled over much cleaner skaters.

Nevertheless, waiting your turn for others to retire and give them medals?! What is this -- pre-2000's ice dance?
 
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I don't think Trusova fell because she grew or "lost her jumps". I think she fell because sometimes you just fall and likely the first fall put her in a mental funk.

She's not my favorite skater but her jumps look very sound to me. I'm sure she'll be fine once she regroups.
 
It's actually quite funny how Trusova in ten days moved from quad queen to be out of sorts. And she even was able to had that mysterious growth spurt(1mm?) in the same ten days. :)
Sasha Trusova....
A) Quad Queen
B) Ruined Ladies Skating
C) Career ended by growth spurt at age 17
D) Thief who steals medals from dues-paying skaters.

I vote for A) Quad Queen.
 
Sasha Trusova....
A) Quad Queen
B) Ruined Ladies Skating
C) Career ended by growth spurt at age 17
D) Thief who steals medals from dues-paying skaters.

I vote for A) Quad Queen.
Always the Quad Queen and also a little ray of sunshine when she smiles, which thankfully she did do even after a terrible skate.

Plus, if you start watching Junior events that also gives you time to get to know the skaters, with the added benefit that Junior events are a lot of fun to watch as even the Grand Prix events have a wide range of skaters of varying levels from many countries to enjoy.
 
Sasha Trusova....
A) Quad Queen
B) Ruined Ladies Skating
C) Career ended by growth spurt at age 17
D) Thief who steals medals from dues-paying skaters.

I vote for A) Quad Queen.

She's also a home wrecker, Treats waiters terribly
And probably is to blame for Covid

I do thank the author of this post for helping me pass 10 entertaining minutes at work :wink:
 
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