2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[eterislouisvuitton]

IMO Ksenia's 215 was 100% deserved. Maybe her amazing programs elevate her more than the programs of some other juniors, however that's just how it goes. She got good and fitting choreo, then good for her. If anyone was overscored on the JGP, it was some of the Eteri students. I actually think Ksenia should've been closer to Kamila in Chelyabinsk, and should've gone to JWC. Though Maya did well, so that was that. I don't see how she has been politically favored at all, maybe with getting the second JGP spot after her visa issue but when Kanysheva and Tarusina both realized that they weren't going to be able to participate and pulled out of the last two events, Frolova was called in at the last minute once again, and there were two more spots left so naturally it went to Daria and Ksenia. All her results were earned from brilliant skating - not politics or "favoring" by the fed like in the case of Stasya.

The one thing I will say is that Ksenia is elevated and helped a lot by her programs, and that in the second half of the season she was clearly having consistency issues particularly with the lutz. She was one of the only non-Eteri students to get one of those Channel 1 documentaries last season, and it actually showed her landing a triple axel.

Kamila's second best score this season came from "one of those JGP events" and so was the junior SB of Alysa Liu, and Haein Lee. Unless the scoring is blatantly out of line, I don't see a reason why a little copmetition means that the scores don't count. If you rescore Ksenia's skates at JGP Egna, I think her scores were fully desreved and at JGPF she was underscored IMO.


And once more, I know Gubanova has a lot of fans, but who but Ksenia? There is a lot of depth in RUssian ladies, but not as much this year as there were in previous years. I think she is fully deserving of two spots. Vasilieva and Gubanova will get their spots if Zagi withdraws or if the fed decides to give Sofia a hard time by only giving her one assignment.

 

[flanker]

If anyone was overscored on the JGP....

I didn't even have to read the second clausule to know which team would be mentioned. Yes, it is so bad to talk about them as a team, unless you bash them en masse of course

As for "deserving junior worlds". Well, a season before Anna Tarusina did better at the JGP competitions than Ksenia, but because Ksenia was better at russian junior nationals, she was sent to junior worlds when Aliona withdrew. The last season Ksenia did better at JGP than Maiia, but Maiia did better at russian junior nationals, so she was sent to junior worlds. If there was a competition where Ksenia was underscored, it was 2019 junior worlds where she should have taken the bronze medal. During the last season the problem was that apart from "one of those JGP events" where she gained 215 points she's shown too much instability during most of the competitions without any progress. Her top skate was the free program from the russian senior nationals, definitely, but apart from it, she made too much mistakes. And as I've said before, she gained her chances, 2019 junior worlds, winter youth olympics etc. I bet if she would have shown great results at YOG, she would be sent to junior worlds nevertheless the russian junior nationals results.

 

[Scott512]

I was actually thinking the same thing! If they can't do the GP, but are ready for competition in December, then they could just substitute what would have been the GPF for a 2020 Worlds (and still aim to do the 2021 Worlds in March). That way all thats lost is a GP season.

That is a great plan and adoption for the international skating Union. Unfortunately they're not good at thinking out of the box. What they should have done is seeing the pandemic growing around the world in February they should have moved the World Championships up a month or so. Maybe they will do that this year instead of having the world championships in late March or early April or whenever it is have it in January or February.

IMO Ksenia's 215 was 100% deserved. Maybe her amazing programs elevate her more than the programs of some other juniors, however that's just how it goes. She got good and fitting choreo, then good for her. If anyone was overscored on the JGP, it was some of the Eteri students. I actually think Ksenia should've been closer to Kamila in Chelyabinsk, and should've gone to JWC. Though Maya did well, so that was that. I don't see how she has been politically favored at all, maybe with getting the second JGP spot after her visa issue but when Kanysheva and Tarusina both realized that they weren't going to be able to participate and pulled out of the last two events, Frolova was called in at the last minute once again, and there were two more spots left so naturally it went to Daria and Ksenia. All her results were earned from brilliant skating - not politics or "favoring" by the fed like in the case of Stasya.

The one thing I will say is that Ksenia is elevated and helped a lot by her programs, and that in the second half of the season she was clearly having consistency issues particularly with the lutz. She was one of the only non-Eteri students to get one of those Channel 1 documentaries last season, and it actually showed her landing a triple axel.

Kamila's second best score this season came from "one of those JGP events" and so was the junior SB of Alysa Liu, and Haein Lee. Unless the scoring is blatantly out of line, I don't see a reason why a little copmetition means that the scores don't count. If you rescore Ksenia's skates at JGP Egna, I think her scores were fully desreved and at JGPF she was underscored IMO.


And once more, I know Gubanova has a lot of fans, but who but Ksenia? There is a lot of depth in RUssian ladies, but not as much this year as there were in previous years. I think she is fully deserving of two spots. Vasilieva and Gubanova will get their spots if Zagi withdraws or if the fed decides to give Sofia a hard time by only giving her one assignment.

Where did ksenia place at Russian Junior Nationals?

If it was kamila I would have no problem. But it's not and I do. People want to give ksenia the number five or six Junior girl skater two senior Grand Prix events which the Russian Federation will probably do. Who knows what they're going to do. last year they gave undeserving Grand Prix events to Serafima and Maria and to say the fed got burned by doing that was an understatement just like sending Stasyia to worlds 2018 that almost cost Russia three spots. Whatever ksenia gets I wish her well because she really is a lovely natural figure skater and people will enjoy seeing her. But I would have liked to have seen her win 1 medal at a major Junior competition. Who knows maybe she will be better as a senior's than junior. But the problems will be the same as far as competition goes she faced a lot of competition in the Juniors especially domestically and empty will face a lot more competition in the senior's especially domestically.

 

[ruga]

Where did ksenia place at Russian Junior Nationals?

If it was kamila I would have no problem. But it's not and I do. People want to give ksenia the number five or six Junior girl skater two senior Grand Prix events which the Russian Federation will probably do. Who knows what they're going to do. last year they gave undeserving Grand Prix events to Serafima and Maria and to say the fed got burned by doing that was an understatement just like sending Stasyia to worlds 2018 that almost cost Russia three spots. Whatever ksenia gets I wish her well because she really is a lovely natural figure skater and people will enjoy seeing her. But I would have liked to have seen her win 1 medal at a major Junior competition. Who knows maybe she will be better as a senior's than junior. But the problems will be the same as far as competition goes she faced a lot of competition in the Juniors especially domestically and empty will face a lot more competition in the senior's especially domestically.

Ksenia was actually 5th, so basically the best outside the main team. She is also YOG silver medalist (which completes your major junior competition medal wish I guess). Most importantly, she has a good 11th position in SB list with Zagitova right above her (and juniors are disadvantaged due to no choreo sequence). Can't think of any other skater who could get that spot instead of her.

 

[Scott512]

Ksenia was actually 5th, so basically the best outside the main team. She is also YOG silver medalist (which completes your major junior competition medal wish I guess). Most importantly, she has a good 11th position in SB list with Zagitova right above her (and juniors are disadvantaged due to no choreo sequence). Can't think of any other skater who could get that spot instead of her.

5th? Lower than I had imagined. And the Youth Olympic Games is not a major competition at all so that doesn't count. Besides Alysa and Kamila and the rest were not there .But good luck to ksenia in her senior debut season .

 

[sparklestan]

Where did ksenia place at Russian Junior Nationals?

If it was kamila I would have no problem. But it's not and I do. People want to give ksenia the number five or six Junior girl skater two senior Grand Prix events which the Russian Federation will probably do. Who knows what they're going to do. last year they gave undeserving Grand Prix events to Serafima and Maria and to say the fed got burned by doing that was an understatement just like sending Stasyia to worlds 2018 that almost cost Russia three spots. Whatever ksenia gets I wish her well because she really is a lovely natural figure skater and people will enjoy seeing her. But I would have liked to have seen her win 1 medal at a major Junior competition. Who knows maybe she will be better as a senior's than junior. But the problems will be the same as far as competition goes she faced a lot of competition in the Juniors especially domestically and empty will face a lot more competition in the senior's especially domestically.

If you don’t think Ksenia is deserving of GP spots and can’t name anyone else to fill the extra 6 spots left over after Aliona, Anna, Sasha, Alina, Zhenya, and Liza each get two then do you suggest RusFed gets rid of those 6 spots?
I’m not trying to be rude, just trying to understand your train of thought.
I think results have shown that Ksenia is Russia’s #7 senior eligible girl and luckily Russia has enough spots for the #7 girl to get 2 spots with some to spare. For this reason I think Ksenia fully deserves 2 GP spots and her getting them would not be “gifting” from the Fed because she earned them.

 

[lariko]

If there is GP, I would love to see Sinitzina and Samodurova with two spots

 

[flanker]

Ksenia was actually 5th, so basically the best outside the main team. She is also YOG silver medalist (which completes your major junior competition medal wish I guess). Most importantly, she has a good 11th position in SB list with Zagitova right above her (and juniors are disadvantaged due to no choreo sequence). Can't think of any other skater who could get that spot instead of her.

5th? Lower than I had imagined. And the Youth Olympic Games is not a major competition at all so that doesn't count. Besides Alysa and Kamila and the rest were not there .But good luck to ksenia in her senior debut season .

Ksenia was actually 7th at RJN, though 4th of the junior eligible skaters.

 

[surimi]

If there is GP, I would love to see Sinitzina and Samodurova with two spots

Yes, with the remaining two split between Vasilieva and Konstantinova.

 

[Happy Skates]

That is a great plan and adoption for the international skating Union. Unfortunately they're not good at thinking out of the box. What they should have done is seeing the pandemic growing around the world in February they should have moved the World Championships up a month or so. Maybe they will do that this year instead of having the world championships in late March or early April or whenever it is have it in January or February.


Where did ksenia place at Russian Junior Nationals?

If it was kamila I would have no problem. But it's not and I do. People want to give ksenia the number five or six Junior girl skater two senior Grand Prix events which the Russian Federation will probably do. Who knows what they're going to do. last year they gave undeserving Grand Prix events to Serafima and Maria and to say the fed got burned by doing that was an understatement just like sending Stasyia to worlds 2018 that almost cost Russia three spots. Whatever ksenia gets I wish her well because she really is a lovely natural figure skater and people will enjoy seeing her. But I would have liked to have seen her win 1 medal at a major Junior competition. Who knows maybe she will be better as a senior's than junior. But the problems will be the same as far as competition goes she faced a lot of competition in the Juniors especially domestically and empty will face a lot more competition in the senior's especially domestically.

I'm confused at why you think she's the number 5/6 junior when 1) she's placed 4th at the major events twice, just barely not getting a medal each time, and 2)has the second highest score of any junior (and they all had the opportunity to compete at a small JGP so its not about what competition she competed at).

Its also doing Ksenia a huge injustice to compare her to Stasya or Maria. Neither Stasya nor Maria were that high on the SB list (or on it at all), and both of them had had major consistency issues with having meltdowns. Ksenia may have one major error in a program, but she's not actually one thats prone to meltdowns, and consistently scores very high, usually over 200, which could not be said for Stasya or Maria. Neither Stasya nor Maria had made it to JGPF/GPF the previous year, or made it to the top five at senior nationals, both of which Ksenia did this year. There's no evidence to think that Ksenia would not continue to consistently score and place well in seniors.

I'm also confused at why you think medalling at JGPF or JWorlds is a prerequisite to getting GP spots? Many, in fact most skaters, Russian or not, do not win medals at junior worlds before moving up. This last year was an exception because of the exceptional 3A, but that is not normal. And beyond that, the difference between Ksenia's two fourth place finishes and a medal was the opinion of a judge. Why should she be held back by a few underscored jump elements/components? But might I remind you, Samodurova had never even made junior worlds at the time she moved up just two years ago, and got 6th at the JGPF. And she had never even come close to Ksenia's stellar result of 5th at senior nationals! And yet she not only got 2 GP spots, but medalled at them and made it to the GPF.

But the big question remains that you have not answered, if not Ksenia, who? Who in Russia deserves those spots more than Ksenia?

 

[eterislouisvuitton]

I believe Maria got her spot based on results from the Olympic season. Sima's spot should've absolutely gone to Gubanova, but oh well. And as for Stasya, nobody knew that she was going to implode as badly as she did on the GP this year, she was 4th at euros last year and did quite well on the GP if I remember correctly. It's been a while since RusFed sent an 18 year old to JUNIOR WORLDS to get points because they usually don't send someone in their 4th season to JGP in order to open up spots for other girls. So in that sense I do have a little bit of injustice for Nastya Tarakanova and Nastya Gubanova.

Isn't this a Russian ladies forum? Russia has 18 spots across 6 events, period. Why would they give up one of their spots for another country? The top 7 (Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaia, Medvedeva, Tuktamysheva, Zagitova, Samodurova) will get their two and then there's four spots left to spread across Sinitsyna, Guliakova, Gubanova, Vasilieva, Tarakanova, Konstantinova, and Tsibinova.

Let's take a mathematical approach:

Spots 1-2: Aleksandra Trusova
Spots 3-4: Alena Kostornaia
Spots 5-6: Anna Shcherbakova
Spots 7-8: Evgenia Medvedeva
Spots 9-10: Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Spots 11-12: Sofia Samodurova (could also be a combo of Samodurova/one of the ones listed down below)
Spots 13-14: Alina Zagitova (if she doesn't compete then two of the ones listed below)
Spot 15: Viktoria Vasilieva
Host pick, aka spot 18: Anastasia Guliakova (due to lack of SB, still blows my mind after she placed so high at nationals and then at cup final why they didn't send her out to challenge cup or something of that sort)

That leaves spots 16 and 17 wide open. Spot 12 could be open if the fed decides that one of the skaters below is more deservivng than Sofia, and spots 13 and 14 open up if/when Zagitova withdraws. Though if she is to do that, she must do so soon because assignments are coming out soon, and if she WD after they come out then the spots go to another skater from another country.

To fill those spots:
Ksenia Sinitsyna, 16, 5th at sr nats, SB 215.58, Season's average 199.33 (across 8 events, 1 senior 7 junior)
Anastasia Gubanova, 17, 10th at sr nats, SB 208.81, Season's average 199.43 (across 2 DOMESTIC senior events)
Anastasia Tarakanova, 16, missed second half of the season, SB 194.74 (IMO should be higher), Season's Average 187.01 (across 2 junior events)
Viktoria Vasilieva, 17, missed second half of the season, SB 198.79, Season's average 193.21 (across 3 junior events)
Ksenia Tsibinova, 16, 11th at sr nats, SB 206.18, Season'v average 194.88 (across 7 senior events, 2 scores above 200 both came domestically)
Stanislava Konstantinova, 19, 13th at sr nats, SB 180.34 (IMO a little generous), Season's average 160.73 (across 4 senior events, 1 domestic)

Actually is Stasya even in contention for the GP? I believe you have to be in the top 75 SB list to be in contention for a spot, and her score from the Nepala trophy (her best internationally this year) is at 76th right now.

 

[AshWagsFan]

If there was a competition where Ksenia was underscored, it was 2019 junior worlds where she should have taken the bronze medal. During the last season the problem was that apart from "one of those JGP events" where she gained 215 points she's shown too much instability during most of the competitions without any progress. Her top skate was the free program from the russian senior nationals, definitely, but apart from it, she made too much mistakes. And as I've said before, she gained her chances, 2019 junior worlds, winter youth olympics etc. I bet if she would have shown great results at YOG, she would be sent to junior worlds nevertheless the russian junior nationals results.

IMO Ting deserved the bronze at Junior Worlds over Ksenia, but I do believe that Ksenia had two great junior seasons (even if they were inconsistent). And whether people believe the scores were inflated at her JGP that she got 215 or not, she still got those scores.

IMO Sinitsyna gets 2 assignments and Vasilieva gets 1 unless others withdraw

 

[eterislouisvuitton]

IMO Ting deserved the bronze at Junior Worlds over Ksenia, but I do believe that Ksenia had two great junior seasons (even if they were inconsistent). And whether people believe the scores were inflated at her JGP that she got 215 or not, she still got those scores.

IMO Sinitsyna gets 2 assignments and Vasilieva gets 1 unless others withdraw

I agree, it could've gone either way in 2019 but I think Ksenia should've won bronze at jr worlds. Daria is my favorite junior this season and she's brilliant but she got nervy and had errors in the free at JGPF. Ksenia wasn't as sharp as she was in Egna but I think she was a bit underscored. Once again, personal opinion.

 

[Resa]

I believe Maria got her spot based on results from the Olympic season. Sima's spot should've absolutely gone to Gubanova, but oh well. And as for Stasya, nobody knew that she was going to implode as badly as she did on the GP this year, she was 4th at euros last year and did quite well on the GP if I remember correctly. It's been a while since RusFed sent an 18 year old to JUNIOR WORLDS to get points because they usually don't send someone in their 4th season to JGP in order to open up spots for other girls. So in that sense I do have a little bit of injustice for Nastya Tarakanova and Nastya Gubanova.

Isn't this a Russian ladies forum? Russia has 18 spots across 6 events, period. Why would they give up one of their spots for another country? The top 7 (Trusova, Shcherbakova, Kostornaia, Medvedeva, Tuktamysheva, Zagitova, Samodurova) will get their two and then there's four spots left to spread across Sinitsyna, Guliakova, Gubanova, Vasilieva, Tarakanova, Konstantinova, and Tsibinova.

Let's take a mathematical approach:

Spots 1-2: Aleksandra Trusova
Spots 3-4: Alena Kostornaia
Spots 5-6: Anna Shcherbakova
Spots 7-8: Evgenia Medvedeva
Spots 9-10: Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
Spots 11-12: Sofia Samodurova (could also be a combo of Samodurova/one of the ones listed down below)
Spots 13-14: Alina Zagitova (if she doesn't compete then two of the ones listed below)
Spot 15: Viktoria Vasilieva
Host pick, aka spot 18: Anastasia Guliakova (due to lack of SB, still blows my mind after she placed so high at nationals and then at cup final why they didn't send her out to challenge cup or something of that sort)

That leaves spots 16 and 17 wide open. Spot 12 could be open if the fed decides that one of the skaters below is more deservivng than Sofia, and spots 13 and 14 open up if/when Zagitova withdraws. Though if she is to do that, she must do so soon because assignments are coming out soon, and if she WD after they come out then the spots go to another skater from another country.

To fill those spots:
Ksenia Sinitsyna, 16, 5th at sr nats, SB 215.58, Season's average 199.33 (across 8 events, 1 senior 7 junior)
Anastasia Gubanova, 17, 10th at sr nats, SB 208.81, Season's average 199.43 (across 2 DOMESTIC senior events)
Anastasia Tarakanova, 16, missed second half of the season, SB 194.74 (IMO should be higher), Season's Average 187.01 (across 2 junior events)
Viktoria Vasilieva, 17, missed second half of the season, SB 198.79, Season's average 193.21 (across 3 junior events)
Ksenia Tsibinova, 16, 11th at sr nats, SB 206.18, Season'v average 194.88 (across 7 senior events, 2 scores above 200 both came domestically)
Stanislava Konstantinova, 19, 13th at sr nats, SB 180.34 (IMO a little generous), Season's average 160.73 (across 4 senior events, 1 domestic)

Actually is Stasya even in contention for the GP? I believe you have to be in the top 75 SB list to be in contention for a spot, and her score from the Nepala trophy (her best internationally this year) is at 76th right now.

Didn't Tarakanova score over 200 at a senior Russian Cup stage?

 

[SkateSkates]

I don’t think the ISU has published how the seeding will work yet, so it’s hard to predict who will have what event. If it’s based on World Standing vs. Season Best vs. Season World standing it will make a difference in the seeded groups. Hopefully they publish this information soon.

 

[Happy Skates]

I don’t think the ISU has published how the seeding will work yet, so it’s hard to predict who will have what event. If it’s based on World Standing vs. Season Best vs. Season World standing it will make a difference in the seeded groups. Hopefully they publish this information soon.

I hope they base it on Seasons Best. In my opinion WS is so flawed and arbitrary, and relies a lot on the amount of times you compete. And if its overall World Standing, its unfair to the people who only have been eligible for senior for a year or two. Especially since GP standings are usually based on Worlds placements. SB scores are definitely a more accurate reflection of the season than WS, and much more of a predictor of what Worlds placements would've been.

 

[fabienne1996]

Right now the most likely scenario are competitions without spectators which also seems like the best solution between total cancellation vs normal events with closed halls full of people propagating their germs.

We can be "happy" that this happened now and not a year from now and having the Winter Olympics cancelled.
Cause let's be honest, if they don't have a vaccine till next year, which is doubtful, the postponed 2020 olympics will not take place then either. You can only imagine the athletes in sports that are short lived, like gymnastics, where you work your whole life for that moment and it's impossible to keep the level up for 4 more years. Hell, not even for 1 year. Look at where Yulia's performance level was in Sochi 2014 and where it was exactly 1 year later. Just one example.

It still could be cancelled,depending on what happens in the future. Like we have seen this year It can happen

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[SkateSkates]

I hope they base it on Seasons Best. In my opinion WS is so flawed and arbitrary, and relies a lot on the amount of times you compete. And if its overall World Standing, its unfair to the people who only have been eligible for senior for a year or two. Especially since GP standings are usually based on Worlds placements. SB scores are definitely a more accurate reflection of the season than WS, and much more of a predictor of what Worlds placements would've been.

100% agree, I really hope they use seasons best as it’s a much better indicator of the actual level of the skaters.

 

[Jontor]

100% agree, I really hope they use seasons best as it’s a much better indicator of the actual level of the skaters.

Totally agree. But it seems that the Federations don't look at the SB list that way, especially RusFed who last year obviously prioritized WS list when they gave Sotskova a GP spot (SB 43) over Gubanova (SB 21).

 

[Azikin]

Leonova won the Sankt Petersburg Cup this season, but then got injured (I think?) and didn't participate at the Russian Cup group stages. Will she be back?

I hope so and I hope she will keep her last season's programs because we had a chance to see them just twice I think and the first time wasn't exactly good, while the second time was excellent. And her Irish program is just lovely.. :luv17: