2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[drivingmissdaisy]

I think this really depends on her priorities. Her goal to land a program with all of the quads and a 3A is most likely harder than winning the Olympics, but without the same reward. However, for her to learn the 4Lo, with women skaters the trend says it doesn't look as though she has as much time as Nathan Chen for example who is getting better and better. I would want her to get that 3A and focus on making her existing jumps consistent for the Olympics, but this all really depends on Sasha.

Her primary goal may in fact not be to win the Olympics, but rather to leave a lasting impact on the sport. I often think those go hand-in-hand, but they don't necessarily. Midroi Ito's contributions have influenced the sport far more than those of OGMs like Sotnikova and Hughes, and Sasha has played an important role in making quads more commonplace in women's skating by pushing her base values higher with their use. She may or may not win the Olympics, but I sense that it's ok for her either way as long as she makes history with the jumps.

 

[plushyfan]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFH--uTJNTy/

Mikhailov - Trusova: “It's a pleasure to work with you. Your efficiency and desire to be the best is the engine for all of us "

Dmitry Mikhailov, the coach of the academy, Evgeni Plushenko, thanked his team and Alexandra Trusova.

“Thank you Evgeni Plushenko for your trust and invaluable experience in your team. For patience, firmness and dedication! For wisdom, professionalism and experience in working with athletes of our team!

Alexandra Trusova , it's a real pleasure to work with you! Your efficiency and desire to be the best is the engine for all of us! You are a great fellow.

Let's start in the new season! I am sure that together with Evgeni Plushenko and our coaching staff, we will do our best to increase the results obtained and reach new heights! Thank you all for your support, ”wrote Mikhailov.

 

[nussnacker]

I'm curious what others on this board would like to see Trusova do this season. For me personally, I love it when she pushes the limits with her jumps. It's very exciting to watch, though I must admit the end of last season was very hard as a fan. I hope we get to see a landed quad loop from her and a 3A.

I would want her to keep doing her best and keep getting into the record books. Quads are exciting, and I think it’s Sasha’s fearlessness that makes her largely the person she is. But I also wouldn’t want her to get injured! I feel like Sasha is a total workaholic and does whatever it takes to get her result. I remember Daniil once said that if not stopped, she could keep jumping until her face turns blue and all of her body aches. So she needs someone in the rink to help her stay within some healthy-ish limits.

I also kinda like coaching changes because sometimes they give athletes a new motivation to work, it’s like a fresh start.
However, the thing I kept saying throughout recent months, is that girls don’t need to rush anywhere, at all. Long break, growing pains, coaching changes - all progress should be taken slowly. I know she wants to nail 5 quads and 3A this season, but she and every other Russian girl should keep in mind that this season is largely unimportant, the main battle is still ahead.

 

[nussnacker]

https://sportvokrug.ru/competitions/7258//participants/
Besides Shcherbakova and Medvedeva, Frolova, Khromykh, Sultanmagomedova, Chaplygina and Sarnovskaya are listed for the first cup event. They'll add more people to the list or so I hope.

Excited to see Maiia perform in senior ranks. How would she do against Anya and Evgenia? Will the girls try and attempt quads? Exciting as always.

 

[flanker]

Looks like RusFed released the preliminary participants for the first Cup stage.

Notable ladies: Medvedeva, Frolova, Khromykh, Shcherbakova all senior with Akatieva in junior as well.

https://www.sports.ru/figure-skating/1088996252.html

https://sportvokrug.ru/competitions/7258//participants/
Besides Shcherbakova and Medvedeva, Frolova, Khromykh, Sultanmagomedova, Chaplygina and Sarnovskaya are listed for the first cup event. They'll add more people to the list or so I hope.

OK, I've updated the cup entries at the first page, ladies (and pairs in their thread), incl. juniors.

 

[Mawwerg]

It will not be easy for Evgenia. Frolova, Khromykh and Sultanmagomedova are in good form and can be very tough opponents.

 

[kmw227]

It will not be easy for Evgenia. Frolova, Khromykh and Sultanmagomedova are in good form and can be very tough opponents.

After watching test skates, I would not be surprised at all if she withdrew (in fact, it would be the smart thing to do IMO).

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Her primary goal may in fact not be to win the Olympics, but rather to leave a lasting impact on the sport. I often think those go hand-in-hand, but they don't necessarily. Midroi Ito's contributions have influenced the sport far more than those of OGMs like Sotnikova and Hughes, and Sasha has played an important role in making quads more commonplace in women's skating by pushing her base values higher with their use. She may or may not win the Olympics, but I sense that it's ok for her either way as long as she makes history with the jumps.

It depends how you look at it. For me personally, not any skater still did better 2A-3T combo and the camel spin Sotnikova did, and nobody came that 'far from behind' to win a gold as Sarah did. I'm pretty remembering those performances for the reasons i find great

 

[dhjh811]

it depends how you look at it. For me personally, not anybody still did the same 2a-3a combo and the camel spin sotnikova did, and nobody came that that from 'behind' to win a gold as sarah did. I'm pretty remembering those performances for the reasons i find great

2a-3a?

 

[Skatesocs]

Usually a 2.25 triple is in comparison to an equivalent double that would have been 1.5 rotations at most. So despite a 3Toe or 3Loop being borderline on rotation for example, there's a greater difference in what is being achieved there (.75 rotations), as compared to the .25 differential in rotation, or less, between many of these "Quad" Lutz/Flip attempts and the textbook versions of a Triple Lutz/Flip.

Btw, why do we see so much criticism for "full blade take off" on flip and lutz, but almost none about "toe pick take off" on the 2A/3S/3Lo? I think the clean edge take off produces prettier jumps, much like clean toe picks... But we usually only see critique about "full blades". I think we eventually came to accept that clean edge take offs are hard to do, but we see so much criticism on full blade take offs nonetheless? Is it because it's more recent to see such take offs + easier for casual fans to detect in video?

We do see some clean edge 2A and 3S after all... Can't say that about 3Lo though I guess.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

2a-3a?

T, i've already edited my post. Mosquitos are eating my hands while im tapping, if you wanna know the reason why i've made that mistake

 

[Jontor]

It will not be easy for Evgenia. Frolova, Khromykh and Sultanmagomedova are in good form and can be very tough opponents.

Very tough indeed. But on the other hand it might be good to go out early. Many skaters "are not ready" now, but in later stages the competition might get even tougher.

 

[katymay]

After watching test skates, I would not be surprised at all if she withdrew (in fact, it would be the smart thing to do IMO).

I agree. I think she will withdraw. Not the end of the world really, just means some inconvenience if she manages to get back to Canada after the next RC in October. Really, maybe she ought to shoot for the last two RC's.

 

[trkvy]

Valieva's Bolero even being raw and yet to be polished is already much better than empty and over-hyped Kostner's Olympic program.

 

[Mathman]

Btw, why do we see so much criticism for "full blade take off" on flip and lutz,

Is it really "so much" criticism? Or is it just one or two people saying it over and over. Same song, second verse, a little bit louder and a little bit worse.

 

[Skatesocs]

Is it really "so much" criticism? Or is it just one or two people saying it over and over. Same song, second verse, a little bit louder and a little bit worse.

Well in this thread I guess. But in general we do see a lot of videos, and have since Yuna/Mao, and IIRC someone once posted an article about Kwan's "loop take off" on Lutz. And there was an Italian Eurosport video in 2018 talking about it yet again. But I really don't remember any about "toe pick take off" in edge jumps. Ultimately I guess it's not a "lot" if we discard fans but it's still conspicuous in comparison, and the Kwan/Italian Eurosport I'd consider pretty official too.

 

[Tolstoj]

Well in this thread I guess. But in general we do see a lot of videos, and have since Yuna/Mao, and IIRC someone once posted an article about Kwan's "loop take off" on Lutz. And there was an Italian Eurosport video in 2018 talking about it yet again. But I really don't remember any about "toe pick take off" in edge jumps. Ultimately I guess it's not a "lot" if we discard fans but it's still conspicuous in comparison, and the Kwan/Italian Eurosport I'd consider pretty official too.

It's an old complain.

Which doesn't mean it's not valid, flip and lutz, and toe are all toe jumps they have the toe pick so not doing it properly makes it closer to a loop cause the take off is from the blade.

We've seen it for decades, ISU has never really addressed it which to me is part of the reason why this is still common.

At the very least it should be taken in consideration when giving the GOE in my opinion.

 

[Skatesocs]

It's an old complain.

Which doesn't mean it's not valid, flip and lutz, and toe are all toe jumps they have the toe pick so not doing it properly makes it closer to a loop cause the take off is from the blade.

We've seen it for decades, ISU has never really addressed it which to me is part of the reason why this is still common.

At the very least it should be taken in consideration when giving the GOE in my opinion.

I don't really want to talk about if it's a valid complaint or not, which is why I implied nothing of my stance on it there. My question is why we care only about full blades, but not toe pick take offs on edge jumps.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

At the very least it should be taken in consideration when giving the GOE in my opinion.

And why do you think 'it' isn't take in the consideration through the GOE, because i'm pretty sure 'it' is.

 

[Sugar Coated]

Whataboutism! That is exactly what I was looking for. Now I can go to bed calmly. Let me embrace you! :

It’s funny, whataboutism from what Ive read is thought to have originated as an Russian propaganda technique.