2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

Who is Kuznetsov?

Dmitriy Kuznetsov from Sport Express. You should probably know him from his many articles and live streams, interviews with skaters.

 

[fabienne1996]

You refuted nothing. Stsq at EuCh was level 4, now it's level 3, 4Lz was bad, no 4S at all, 3Lz+3Lo wasn't landed (warm-ups doesn't count of course), flip wasn't marked '!' last season even once, now it is twice in one competition, programs are afwul and empty and don't fit her at all, jump entries are simplified, less transitions of course.

really are you forgetting that the skaters including sahsa stopped training for several months, its only natural that not all quads are bafk to whatq it was last year. Same goes for anna, and aljona with her 3a, that goes for any skater. And she fell last year on her quads or doubled out, the only time she landed 4 quads last year in a competition setting was at japan open,and other jumps as well, she also had stepsequences level 3 last year.. and i actually like that the programms arent packed eith transitions the way they were last season,iam actually happy to see her arms not flapping around like last year ( i get that she was supposed to give the impression she was flying but really for me it was a big no)

 

[JazzUp]

I think that this faith lives in the heart of every fan of these wonderful young athletes when they go out on the ice)

True; it's just that, for me, with Plyushenko at the helm of Sasha's training first thing that comes to mind is not "miracle is coming" but "primum non nocere".

 

[dunffvanstorn]

With Eteri flip edge was hardly ever flat, now it's clearly wrong. Go do your research yourself.

Maybe it’s your way of seeing the videos, but I guess you would get an F if this was a homework.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

They are present in several other cultures and dance forms, and can represent sexual movements. Further, I am sure people can look at the choreography and decide for themselves why such a movement has been placed there, what it looks like, so on and so forth. Funny to see the suggestion that hip movements don't necessarily represent sexuality, so intent no longer matters.


And it offends me that people make such generalising statements about any art or its reception.

Seriously, I won’t lose my time trying to explain something to such a closed minded person. I know your opinions and your bias, I see what you post here.
Let me make you a question:
Do you think THIS is appropriate?

Alina ZAGITOVA Gala :2018 Winter Olympics Figure Skating

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Watching a 15 year old Alina Zagitova with a very provocative costume vs. a hip shimy by Sasha during competition.

 

[Skatesocs]

Maybe it’s your way of seeing the videos, but I guess you would get an F if this was a homework.

Have to be happy there are better graders out there.

Seriously, I won’t lose my time trying to explain something to such a closed minded person.

Yes, your brand really is to close off your opinions to change, unfortunately. I guess when people disagree, they can simply be called close minded. Nice way to never have to defend your opinions.

I know your opinions and your bias, I see what you post here.

Unfortunately, I read your posts too. Sad, really. I guess no one else has any experience in the arts... Why else would the people who disagree with you be "blindly biased"?

Trust me, I am not offended by what you said here. There are better things and more knowledgeable people I could be annoyed with.

Let me make you a question:
Do you think THIS is appropriate?

Alina ZAGITOVA Gala :2018 Winter Olympics Figure Skating

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Watching a 15 year old Alina Zagitova with a very provocative costume vs. a hip shimy by Sasha during competition.

It isn't appropriate. Funny though, that I responded to a post of you quoting Sasha Plushenko doing a performance of Tango Amore.

 

[Alex65]

True; it's just that, for me, with Plyushenko at the helm of Sasha's training first thing that comes to mind is not "miracle is coming" but "primum non nocere".

Well, if you have enough strength and love to resist all this hatred that is imposed with such great persistence on this sport in Russia, then in the end there is always only ice and an athlete who goes to the arena to show people his performance. So there is always hope. Everything else is secondary and does not matter.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Have to be happy there are better graders out there.

Yes, your brand really is to close off your opinions to change, unfortunately.
Unfortunately, I read your posts too. Sad, really. I guess no one else has any experience in the arts... Why else would the people who disagree with you be "blindly biased"?


It isn't appropriate. Funny though, that I responded to a post of you quoting Sasha Plushenko doing a performance of Tango Amore.

Alina ZAGITOVA Gala :2018 Winter Olympics Figure Skating

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If you can’t see a Lip here, there’s nothing I can do.

 

[fabienne1996]

Seriously, I won’t lose my time trying to explain something to such a closed minded person. I know your opinions and your bias, I see what you post here.
Let me make you a question:
Do you think THIS is appropriate?

Alina ZAGITOVA Gala :2018 Winter Olympics Figure Skating

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Watching a 15 year old Alina Zagitova with a very provocative costume vs. a hip shimy by Sasha during competition.

To tell the truth i dont find the hip movement innapropiate for sasha it is one little hip shake, god people , i mean she is what 16 and will be 17 next year, it was different with big spender since she was only 14 then and the lycris was not som3thing that a 14 year old should skate too ,but at 16 many teenagers are already on partys and dancing and more often then not the hip movement there is much more than just the shake we see from sasha here, i know i was already going into the disco since in the next city we had a disco that had discotimes for teenagers meaning until 10 pm in the evening, after that it was adult time

 

[silveruskate]

Similar point to @fabienne1996. You can do a lot in Russia at 16 is all I'll say. However, if she is feeling uncomfortable then she shouldn't do it.

 

[Skatesocs]

However, if she is feeling uncomfortable then she shouldn't do it.

This is all the (original) point even was.

 

[fabienne1996]

To tell the truth i dont find the hip movement innapropiate for sasha it is one little hip shake, god people , i mean she is what 16 and will be 17 next year, it was different with big spender since she was only 14 then and the lycris was not som3thing that a 14 year old should skate too ,but at 16 many teenagers are already on partys and dancing and more often then not the hip movement there is much more than just the shake we see from sasha here, i know i was already going into the disco since in the next city we had a disco that had discotimes for teenagers meaning until 10 pm in the evening, after that it was adult time

Not to mention teenage disco evenings on vacation, all of us teenagers were i think from age 15/16 and up, and we were all dancing on the dancefloor having fun, and yes moving our hips to the rythm of the music if it was the right music for that and generally dancing like someone dances in a disco. ,

 

[fabienne1996]

The is all the (original) point even was.

Thing is we have no idea what she thinks about this element, mabye she likes it but since its soemthing new its still just that to her? New? But it isnt innapropiate for a 16 year old to give one little shake of her hips if said skater,is ok with the move,

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Similar point to @fabienne1996. You can do a lot in Russia at 16 is all I'll say. However, if she is feeling uncomfortable then she shouldn't do it.

I think the only person who can possibly know if she’s uncomfortable doing this is herself. And let’s not talk about “this” as if it was something dirty, this is dance, choreography, body expression. I would feel more uncomfortable having to do her SP last season than a hip movement that’s not meant to be sexual. I just can’t understand why people are making such a big deal out of a dance move. Come on, it’s 2020, the Catholic Church won’t send us to hell.
By the way, I didn’t see anyone saying this dance routine was inappropriate:

TUTBERIDZETEAM (Trusova, Scherbakova, Kostornaya etc) & Zheleznyakov - Dance Choreo (12/2019)

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And it has looots of hip movements.
Do you know why? Because it’s not inappropriate.

 

[Magill]

Seriously, I won’t lose my time trying to explain something to such a closed minded person. I know your opinions and your bias, I see what you post here.
Let me make you a question:
Do you think THIS is appropriate?

Alina ZAGITOVA Gala :2018 Winter Olympics Figure Skating

youtu.be

Watching a 15 year old Alina Zagitova with a very provocative costume vs. a hip shimy by Sasha during competition.

Yes, you're right. I don't get to shout "inappropriate" easily but seeing a 15-year old OGM in this costume I felt it was inappropriate for her age and somehow out of place. As for Sasha's hip movement debate, it reminds more of the twist debate, which was really a hot issue but in the 50s, which is like 70 years ago. Folks, really? Today you can see girls of all ages doing movements like that in ANY dance classes, fitness classes and PE warm ups.

 

[silveruskate]

The is all the (original) point even was.

I believe the original point mentioned both age and also whether she was uncomfortable. In my opinion the age part isn't a factor now. The uncomfortable part, she wasn't so good at doing it, but then Sasha being uncomfortable with choreographical elements doesn't tell us a lot!

 

[Skatesocs]

A person’s nationality is something that actually doesn’t matter to me.

Aww, maybe next time don't make comments mocking Russians then.

 

[Skatesocs]

I believe the original point mentioned both age and also whether she was uncomfortable. In my opinion the age part isn't a factor now. The uncomfortable part, she wasn't so good at doing it, but then Sasha being uncomfortable with choreographical elements doesn't tell us a lot!

I'm fine with differing opinions.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

You DID assume that I would find all of those dances inappropriate actually, AND that I'm conservative. So yeah, put your cards on the table. Do you know which of those dances my culture practices for me to not like them and find them disgusting?

Otherwise, shut up. You have less than zero knowledge about the people on here, and you are PRIMARILY the only person on this thread who keeps making personal attacks on people. Whenever people disagree, you start attacking them. I and most I know would hate to be treated by a doctor like you.

You finding something inappropriate has nothing to do with your nationality, and I didn't assume anything about your nationality because I don't think it matters.

About russians being nationalistic, that's a bit of a generalization, but it's also a fact that nationalism is very strong in Russia.

My country, for example, is the opposite of being nationalistic, nobody wants to stay here, everybody is moving abroad, and it sucks. It makes the country not develop. So, nationalism has a blinding side, but also a very good one.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Tarasova said Sasha's level 3 was mistake...she sad she will talk with the judges...

Lord I hope she won't. The last thing I want is Sasha being indebted to T Tarasova.

Also what's with all the pearl clutching over the hip wiggle? Alina ran a hand seductively up her thigh at the same age to Carmen and I don't remember a pile on about that.

And before you come at me with "Oooo but that's Carmen she's a femme fatale" what do you think Romeo and Juliet got up to? Card Games?

And I much prefer Sasha's choreo to the throw every transition at a wall method of Danill G. His programs often look like a complete mess and sometimes I can't tell if that was a transition or a skater trying to conceal a mess up because the program is so packed.

The reaches that some posters make here just to trash Plushy, guess that's your daily stretching session.