Ito and Yamaguchi in the early 1990s! (though in Yamaguchi's case I don't remember if she ever did it as a combo or always added a step in between the two jumps for a sequence).It's so fun to see Viktoria Volchkova (Butsaeva) as a coach nowadays.
She used to have fantastic jumps. Was this the first 3Lz+3T attempt ever?
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I actually vastly prefer chalkboard lectures to powerpoint ones since they force you to take notes and therefore pay more attention.
I will admit that this probably differs on the subject though. For Maths and science which I studied chalkboard is preferable since the speed of the lecture is limited by the proffessors handwriting. This makes the pace slow which is good for more calculation heavy subject where every symbol matters and need to be thought through.
For social science or languages I can imagine it being a bit of a time waster since you generally read much quicker than someone writes.
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Nice...but it's more likeHere's an explanation specifically for you though: "oh no people are having personal opinions now. Disturbing! They shouldn't differ from ME!".
"OMG, I can't believe this skater isn't skating the way I want them too!! Can't they see I know better than them and their entire coaching team?! They'd be such an AMAZING skater if they didn't skate the way they've skated their whole life up to now! Woe are they! If only they could hear my most brilliant advice!"
They are free to listen to whichever advice, and finish wherever. If people have a problem with others opinions on a skating forum, they are free to continue having those problems.
I discuss skating as a sport. Thank God that I at least try. You can point out where I or anybody said that "our advice" is exactly what will get them over the hill. You'll fail, because we all know that it's just a forum for discussing sport. You might want to try that.
ETA: BTW, the next time someone complains about what a sham the judging is or how the ISU or the judges have failed to treat skating as a sport, maybe this thread will serve as a great explanation, or just even the skating fans at large. The fans themselves have not even the remotest interest in treating skating as a sport.
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Yes, I totally forgot about Midori Ito. She was something else. I found this fun video of her doing triple+triple combinations. The whole first 5 minutes are all about 3T+3T, then 3Lz+3T, 3F+3T and 3A+3T.
Midori Ito Triple - Triple Combination Jump
Midori Ito Triple - Triple Combination Jump ※4:31～の3T-3Tは91年ワールドのフリー演技です。 OP(SP)のウォームアップ中の衝突事故の後遺症で出場すら危ぶまれたフリー、こんな状態で演技終盤に成功させたこの3T-3Tは、アルベールビル五輪終盤に成功させた3Aと...
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And yes, I don't think Yamaguchi ever did it as a combo, it was always steps in there...
Sorry for the off topic...
Oh total OT, but it's just so cool to see Ito doing that tuck jump out of her triple-triple. We recently saw that with Jason Brown... In 2020Yes, I totally forgot about Midori Ito. She was something else. I found this fun video of her doing triple+triple combinations. The whole first 5 minutes are all about 3T+3T, then 3Lz+3T, 3F+3T and 3A+3T.
Midori Ito Triple - Triple Combination Jump
Midori Ito Triple - Triple Combination Jump ※4:31～の3T-3Tは91年ワールドのフリー演技です。 OP(SP)のウォームアップ中の衝突事故の後遺症で出場すら危ぶまれたフリー、こんな状態で演技終盤に成功させたこの3T-3Tは、アルベールビル五輪終盤に成功させた3Aと...
And yes, I don't think Yamaguchi ever did it as a combo, it was always steps in there...
Sorry for the off topic...
she was so ahead of her time!
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And you might want to consider that a coach who has been coaching since the 70s and a young woman who's been skating for most of her life might possibly know a little more about what they're capable of then you sitting behind your monitor at home.
Or perhaps you'd welcome Liza T and Mishin coming into your place of work and dragging and belittling what you do under the guise of "Oh I'm just trying to be helpful! I know it's your job and everything, but maybe you just don't understand how it works."
I've said before if what she's doing is the max she's capable of then fine, but then its ridiculous that there are complaints at her scoring in comparison to what she competes against because her programs generally lack behind her competition in everything except the very basic jump technique, and it seems equally ridiculous that if the programs she's doing are the max she can do that over the years they've not used some of the multitude of competitions she does (in past seasons she's regularly done 4 smaller challenger type events on top of her GP events to try and increase what she's capable of with her scoring. As someone else said, Mishin seems stuck in the past judging system.
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Not only skaters are receiving advices. I think Daniil Gleichenhaus has several notebooks covered with writing of notes and observations he received from the local professionals
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I have to agree. Those 2A sequences are just a no no.
Correct me if I am wrong, 2A sequences reduces both jumps BV to 80% right?
I think its only the 2A that gets 80% BV.
In generall I think one +2A sequence could be fine in terms of optimising layouts if it replaces a 2T but not if it replaces a 3T
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80% of the entire jump. So 3S+2A gets only 6.08 instead of 7.60.
I think axel sequences are undervalued a bit. Doesn't show up much for +2T vs +2A, but looks much worse for +3T vs +3A sequences like when Hanyu did the 4T+3A.
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This is lopsided. Yes Liza is the oldest competitive Russian lady right now, but what about all the younger skaters? In my other post, I noted that Nugumanova, Fedichkina, Lozko, and Alina were all born the same year. The first 3 were much more talented at the time, and all coached by Mishin at some point. I would argue that they were the ones who were run into the ground, as none of them ever even made it to senior GP IIRC, where as Alina competed for many more international seasons than they did; even if you completely disregard all her titles, at least she competed on the senior GP. Or Samodurova who came up at around the same time as Alena/Sasha/Panenkova. She has only managed to beat Panenkova in terms of career length. Liza isn't Mishin's only skater, he has had many who were "run down" before they even had a senior GP.
Obviously Eteri has had many skaters who left when they were younger too. But she's not the only one, Mishin and other coaches have plenty as well. Retiring young with no medals is not better than retiring young with medals...
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You are correct.
However it is undelined in the latest version of the rules indicating that this was "recently" changed so what I remembered was probably an old rule
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There's a difference between enjoying a program and their scoring potential. You like Liza's programs, that's great. But you're also wondering why she isn't scoring as much as the other girls. Apart from GOE, it's not really subjective. She loses points based on her layouts and levels, where as other girls do a layout that allows them to score higher, hitting their levels on spins and steps. It's just a matter of adding up the numbers of her BV. Then on the GOE side, everyone has their idea of what they think is good height/distance, musical, etc. But transitions into and out of jumps are a GOE bullet that she doesn't have most of the time. You might like that she doesn't have many transitions, again that's great. But again, it's about the numbers and she misses that bullet point. And that affects the TR score in PCS as well. Everything else is more subjective, but she's already losing a lot of points if you only look at the these things. Quads aren't the only way to get TES.
It's not "this skater should skate the way I want them to". They can skate however they want, but it's not personal attack to point out where they're losing points, isn't that what you were asking in the beginning?
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I wouldn't say 'run down' in the sense that they were prematurely worn out, because their issue was that they progressed much slower than the Moscow girls and/or developed technical problems with age that didn't get fixed (e.g. URs). In contrast I'd describe someone like Tsurskaya or Lipnitskaya as 'run down' because they retired due to injury and illness related to intense training. On the flip side, that lack of intense training might be a reason why Nugumanova etc. haven't had as much success. 'Underdeveloped' might be a better word to describe their problem.
Unless you mean 'run down' in the sense that they got run over/out-competed by other skaters?
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That's my issue in a nutshell. If the judges want to give Liza 5 for transitions and 5 for skating skills I don't care.
But when Aliona K or Anna S or Sasha T gets similar GOE on a combo she steps out of to a combo Liza does clean then damn right I'll complain, because that's clearly judge bias or outright tomfoolery on their part. Transitions into a jump might be a bullet point, but a clean landing should count for more, it seems it doesn't and that just BS.
So, next week GP Russia! 
My preliminary predictions:
1. Shcherbakova (she needs that second quad though)
2. Trusova
3. Tuktamysheva (!)
4. Kostornaia
5. Safonova (!)
6. Samodurova
7. Medvedeva (and I hope she doesn't withdrew at the last minute, leaving the place vacant)
8. Guliakova
9. Ryabova
10. Kiibus
11. Urushadze
12. Galustyan
My preliminary predictions:
1. Shcherbakova (she needs that second quad though)
2. Trusova
3. Tuktamysheva (!)
4. Kostornaia
5. Safonova (!)
6. Samodurova
7. Medvedeva (and I hope she doesn't withdrew at the last minute, leaving the place vacant)
8. Guliakova
9. Ryabova
10. Kiibus
11. Urushadze
12. Galustyan
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I think this is the correct three. Even with the second quad for Shcherbakova though, I think she's going to be second. I expect Trusova to land that SP triple axel, and then limit herself to three quads in the LP to go clean and win.
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Yes, I know it's a stretch to predict Shcherbakova as the winner at this point.
But, knowing Trusova, her competition nerves aren't the best, and I am not so sure she will hit that 3A just yet... And last year proved that a three quad program from Trusova wouldn't stand up to a two quad program by Shcherbakova.
But we'll see...I guess anything can happen. It's going to be exciting for sure.
Edit: Looking at the scores from Russian Cup (without bonuses) Trusova only beat Shcherbakova with 242.63 vs 240.40 (total 479.22 vs 476.31).
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