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So, Sasha‘s skating with “serious trauma“, too? WHY?

This is a “motivational competition“, not the freaking Olympics! The OG will be next year, why would any sane adult let these kids risk their health now?

(The same counts for Liza, btw, but at least she is a grown adult capable of making her own decisions)

And to make this clear, I‘m not blaming Sasha or Anna. They‘re looking at what is a terrifyingly short career. Last year, they were on top of the world, this year, they‘re already told they‘re being surpassed by a girl still in juniors. So, it‘s only natural that they‘re trying to grasp every chance they get, no matter the consequences. But this is the part where the adults have to step in and protect them from themselves, NOT encourage them in their recklessness.

Haven‘t they learned anything from the last Olympics? Girl who competed through the pain on her broken foot eventually had to withdraw from the most important competitions (you know, instead of skipping Challengers and GPs...), lost momentum, didn‘t win the OGM.

I just hope that they will all be safe and no lasting consequences will stem from their decision to skate here. :pray:

You named it right. Fake concerns with Eteri being cherripicked yet another time. I am sure that they will have an open discussion if Anna can skate. No one wants her collapse in front of the whole world. Neither she nor Eteri is stupid.
I‘d say being concerned for a literal child risking her long-term health for a competition is a natural reaction that every human being with a bit of a heart should feel. You are of course free to believe that it is all fake and part of an elaborate hate campaign against Eteri, however. Letting Anna skate in this competition was irresponsible, period. And reducing it to who she‘s coached by is short-sighted, it would be an irresponsible decision no matter which coach took it.
 
So, the thing is: there are cases when Eteri skater doesn't receive a call that he/she should, but there are also cases when non-Eteri skater doesn't receive a call that he/she should.
Yes, of course, I don’t think anyone is denying this. But the former is happening disproportionately more often than the latter, hence people complaining.
 
Mishin says Liza might withdraw.
 
Anna should withdraw - with her current stamina she is likely not even going to have a great skate so she is risking her health perhaps for nothing.
So, Sasha‘s skating with “serious trauma“, too? WHY?

This is a “motivational competition“, not the freaking Olympics! The OG will be next year, why would any sane adult let these kids risk their health now?

(The same counts for Liza, btw, but at least she is a grown adult capable of making her own decisions)

And to make this clear, I‘m not blaming Sasha or Anna. They‘re looking at what is a terrifyingly short career. Last year, they were on top of the world, this year, they‘re already told they‘re being surpassed by a girl still in juniors. So, it‘s only natural that they‘re trying to grasp every chance they get, no matter the consequences. But this is the part where the adults have to step in and protect them from themselves, NOT encourage them in their recklessness.

Haven‘t they learned anything from the last Olympics? Girl who competed through the pain on her broken foot eventually had to withdraw from the most important competitions (you know, instead of skipping Challengers and GPs...), lost momentum, didn‘t win the OGM.

I just hope that they will all be safe and no lasting consequences will stem from their decision to skate here. :pray:


I‘d say being concerned for a literal child risking her long-term health for a competition is a natural reaction that every human being with a bit of a heart should feel. You are of course free to believe that it is all fake and part of an elaborate hate campaign against Eteri, however. Letting Anna skate in this competition was irresponsible, period. And reducing it to who she‘s coached by is short-sighted, it would be an irresponsible decision no matter which coach took it.
 
Yes, of course, I don’t think anyone is denying this. But the former is happening disproportionately more often than the latter, hence people complaining.
IMO it is simply disproportionately more "wanted" (searched, claimed etc.). Anytime Eteri skater finishes, five people immediately start to look for any real or alleged flaw, or at least start to humiliate the choreo, execution or whatever just to keep the narrative about "Eteri bonus" (still nobody ever explained when, how and why it even appeared :) ). From the outside it truly looks like flies gathering over a corpse, find and snatch something at all cost. It lacks any dignity. Remember that the example with Sasha was brought here because that was obvious one, I haven't seen that other people would descent to such methods.
 
She ran her FS for the second day of practice. There aren't full videos but there was a grainy clip on Instagram of everything from the 3Lz+3Lo to the final pose.

I guess it's possible that she just ran the second half? But given that the quad(s) is in the first half I can't see her skipping over that.
Here's the full video. Fall on her first quad and pop on the second one, almost falling on her kneeling pose during the ss... sad to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQECTx9wJkA
 
Once again: when Sasha didn't receive "e" when she should, there was no complaint about it, while there was a complain about Daria's edge (and some tried and still try to put Kamila's edge into question, for which there is no reason) to support Plushy's words about "unfair judging" towards his skaters (which also contained grievance about theid PCS - basically "how can 14 y.o. receive the PCS of 16 y.o.", which was also welcomed loudly :rolleye:).

So, the thing is: there are cases when Eteri skater doesn't receive a call that he/she should, but there are also cases when non-Eteri skater doesn't receive a call that he/she should. There are also cases where either of them receives lower score than with all honesty should (just like now, I myself said that Sasha should receive higher score yesterday, at least in relation to other scores, but IMO Maiia should also receive higher score, she clearly is not favoured which she should be because you allegedly only need to be Eteri skater for being favoured).

Therefore all the grievance about "favouritism towards Eteri skaters" is simply not true, maintained just to give people something to complain about IMO.
Just because I support Sasha doesn't mean I'm beholden to any of Plushenko's comments, but I have criticised him. Also Lutz edges are clearer and more easily visible. Only people that don't want to see it miss them. If you say Sasha should have scored higher then you agree the calls were not consistent between skaters.....I see no issues.
 
Just because I support Sasha doesn't mean I'm beholden to any of Plushenko's comments, but I have criticised him. Also Lutz edges are clearer and more easily visible. Only people that don't want to see it miss them. If you say Sasha should have scored higher then you agree the calls were not consistent between skaters.....I see no issues.
If the discussion would be about wrong judging generally, there wouldn't be any problem from my side. I simply has the problem with the claims that it's only about "Eteri bonus", to make it short.
 
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Mishin says Liza might withdraw.
#DisasterNats

What have you wrought Russian Figure Skating Fed? I'm honestly wondering if there's some sort authority I can report them to for reckless and depraved endangerment :(
 
I've commented Daria's edge on several occasions, not my problem you haven't read it. While you people still missing the very basic point. None of you ever cares when a skater of AoP doesn't receive a call that he/she should. Simply because that does not fit your invented narrative that the judges somehow favour precisely Eteri skaters and put others down (both nationally and internationnally, because hey, Eteri owns ISU :biggrin:), which simply doesn't match the reality. Remember that a thesis cannot withstand a single proof against it, even if you chose to ignore it forever. And that's truly all that can be said about it, of course no one prevents you from living in a dream world if you prefer it over reality.
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If the discussion would be about wrong judging generally, there wouldn't be any problem from my side. I simply has the problem with the claims that it's only about "Eteri bonus", to make it short.
OK, so there is a general misjudgment. TT tends to be overvalued, the rest tends to be undervalued.
 
I really wish someone would force Anna to withdraw 😰
It's like watching a heavily concussed boxer getting back in the ring after a knockout. It could be fine, but it could also become a horror show.

It also makes me feel like a sicko for watching it :( is this a sporting competion? Or is it watching a number of people getting tortured for our entertainment?
 
It really sucks how tired Anna was due to her health condition, but honestly it's really up to them to decide collectively. I just wish her to stay strong and pray that she'll be able to pull through.

On another note, Kamila doesn't have a flat edge on the lutz like what?!
Here's the point of picking from yesterday: https://youtu.be/IyK0r4GLtI8?t=110

It's not very deep, but it IS CLEARLY outside. :palmf:
 
Here's the full video. Fall on her first quad and pop on the second one, almost falling on her kneeling pose during the ss... sad to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQECTx9wJkA
This certainly doesnt help the impression that she is (understandably) out of form...
Of course a bad practice dont allways lead to a bad skate just like a good practice doesnt allways lead to a good skate.

I have no doubt that an Anna on form can do a 2 or 3 quad program but like she looks today im doubtful. I feel like the strategic thin to do if she really is set on competing is simplyfying the content and remove at least one quad. She will still medal with that content and could possibly win if Kamilla and Sasha has mistakes (which I dont want but think its pretty likely)
 
Agree on Kamila‘s lutz. Her toe jumps have many flaws but wrong edges are not one of them. She‘s one of the only ones right now with a correct flip and lutz edge. Imo, trying to invent a flaw where there isn‘t one ruins attempts to point out real issues.

On Anna: I think the practice is a very good indicator of her health - she‘s just not ready and this is terrifying to watch. However, if they don‘t end up withdrawing, I doubt she‘ll skate like this in competition. She‘ll pull herself together and land her jumps - and even without quads (or only one) she has the highest chance of winning as neither Sasha nor Kamila are consistent in the FS. But at what cost this might be achieved... I‘m only repeating myself here: it‘s her long-term health at stake here. Don‘t risk it like that, please!

Mishin says Liza might withdraw.
Good. If she‘s not healthy, she shouldn‘t risk it. It would be a shame for her to miss the competition, of course, but she has to think of her health here.
 
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