2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

Yes and right after she bounce her off from her shoulder. As I said, maybe Im just overprotective, but I noticed few times before that Eteri react very like mother and literally 2 seconds after, she act roughly like she would be scared to show her soft side. Normaly I wouldnt care much about that, but when I see Anna in such condition, I find it disturbing.

We humans are imperfect. After 12 years I'm sure EG loves Anna very much. I'm sure the coach was frustrated seeing one of her top skater she's ever had struggling so much at the end of the short program.EG probably like most of us here and that we're thrilled to see Anya skating but we're worried about her health and her lungs and her ability to breathe heading into a 4 minute free skate for a possible Russian Nationals 3 peat which won't be done again for probably decades because the depth is so great it's fantastic and paralyzing in the same way.

 

[Scott512]

Does Little Liza have an opportunity for the top five? that would be fantastic and we set a good example for other skaters her age and older to still hang in there and that you can still improve at age 18 and after in ladies figure skating.

 

[halulupu]

Guys I really think you are overreacting on Saschas injury. She seems really fine from the practice videos and sp. Maybe she is not 100 percent and doesn't feel comfortable with all of her jumps. But well, its normal for athletes to compete with some sort of injury, without risking everything. So I guess she just needs to play it smart (!not her strengh!) this time, try to go clean and its a huge opportunity for her to win this thing while her biggest competitors are clearly not in top shape or not even here. RusFed will have a hard time to overlook her for future assignments, if she is top 2 here.

 

[Scott512]

The comment about someone getting fired on Monday is the truest one of all.

What? Who?

 

[Scott512]

Guys I really think you are overreacting on Saschas injury. She seems really fine from the practice videos and sp. Maybe she is not 100 percent and doesn't feel comfortable with all of her jumps. But well, its normal for athletes to compete with some sort of injury, without risking everything. So I guess she just needs to play it smart (!not her strengh!) this time, try to go clean and its a huge opportunity for her to win this thing while her biggest competitors are clearly not in top shape or not even here. RusFed will have a hard time to overlook her for future assignments, if she is top 2 here.

A case could be made that Kamila is Sasha's biggest competitor now and for the foreseeable future.

I will say it's nice to see Sasha finally pull back a little bit. You can't go full speed all the time.

 

[chasingneverland]

Mishin says Liza might withdraw.

Мишин: выступление Туктамышевой на ЧР под вопросом

Состояние фигуристки Елизаветы Туктамышевой неважное после перенесенного коронавируса, ее дальнейшее выступление на чемпионате России под вопросом, заявил... РИА Новости Спорт, 26.12.2020

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Good. Liza, Sasha, and Anna should withdraw. This is crazy.

 

[alexocfp]

What? Who?

One of the comments below the article just had a comment about someone getting fired because the fed liked the Instagram post.

Was said as a joke I bet.

 

[chasingneverland]

If the discussion would be about wrong judging generally, there wouldn't be any problem from my side. I simply has the problem with the claims that it's only about "Eteri bonus", to make it short.

Exactly. I don't think the judging is necessarily unbiased. But it is subjective, obviously. And I do think some skaters are favoured and receive more lenient calls. However, I don't think it's limited to merely Eteri's skaters nor is it all of Eteri's skaters. Plushy and Mishin's skaters have benefited in the past too.

 

[alexocfp]

Digging around Twitter and those Liza withdrawal rumors are strong.

She is said to still be suffering corona after affects.

 

[chasingneverland]

This certainly doesnt help the impression that she is (understandably) out of form...
Of course a bad practice dont allways lead to a bad skate just like a good practice doesnt allways lead to a good skate.

I have no doubt that an Anna on form can do a 2 or 3 quad program but like she looks today im doubtful. I feel like the strategic thin to do if she really is set on competing is simplyfying the content and remove at least one quad. She will still medal with that content and could possibly win if Kamilla and Sasha has mistakes (which I dont want but think its pretty likely)

I have no doubt that Anna can and will do everything to will herself, even now. She's probably the best pure competitor and performer Russia has. However, she shouldn't even this in this position.

 

[chasingneverland]

Agree on Kamila‘s lutz. Her toe jumps have many flaws but wrong edges are not one of them. She‘s one of the only ones right now with a correct flip and lutz edge. Imo, trying to invent a flaw where there isn‘t one ruins attempts to point out real issues.

On Anna: I think the practice is a very good indicator of her health - she‘s just not ready and this is terrifying to watch. However, if they don‘t end up withdrawing, I doubt she‘ll skate like this in competition. She‘ll pull herself together and land her jumps - and even without quads (or only one) she has the highest chance of winning as neither Sasha nor Kamila are consistent in the FS. But at what cost this might be achieved... I‘m only repeating myself here: it‘s her long-term health at stake here. Don‘t risk it like that, please!


Good. If she‘s not healthy, she shouldn‘t risk it. It would be a shame for her to miss the competition, of course, but she has to think of her health here.

Agreed. Same with Sasha though too. There is nothing to be gained about skating with a "serious injury" or "trauma". And Liza also doesn't seem well enough.

 

[chasingneverland]

What's extra awful is the Russian Figure Skating Fed has come right out and said they won't use Nats to determine who goes to (probably not gonna happen) Worlds.

So like what are Anna, Liza and Sasha even doing here? It's messed up! I bet if any of them withdrew the Fed would hold it against them forevermore.

Do any of those Fed people have a working with children check? Do they have those in Russia? Maybe they should!

What exactly can the Fed do if all of Anna, Sasha, and Liza withdrew? Alena already withdrew. (Same with Alina and Evgenia although neither of them seem like they will compete at all this year and might not return at all.) And every other contender is too young. The Fed literally can't do anything, but send 3 of them to worlds. And it wouldn't even affect next year because 2 of them are probably going to Worlds/Olympics next year regardless of any withdrawal this year.

 

[Scott512]

One of the comments below the article just had a comment about someone getting fired because the fed liked the Instagram post.

Was said as a joke I bet.

Oh okay. I read somewhere that the Fed actually reposted the article of plushenko complaining or something.

 

[Amei]

A case could be made that Kamila is Sasha's biggest competitor now and for the foreseeable future.

I will say it's nice to see Sasha finally pull back a little bit. You can't go full speed all the time.

And this could certainly be part of the reason that Shcherbakova really wants that third national title in a row - all season we've been seeing stuff like this about Valieva, and here's Shcherbakova standing up and saying you aren't going to forget about me.

 

[chasingneverland]

Guys I really think you are overreacting on Saschas injury. She seems really fine from the practice videos and sp. Maybe she is not 100 percent and doesn't feel comfortable with all of her jumps. But well, its normal for athletes to compete with some sort of injury, without risking everything. So I guess she just needs to play it smart (!not her strengh!) this time, try to go clean and its a huge opportunity for her to win this thing while her biggest competitors are clearly not in top shape or not even here. RusFed will have a hard time to overlook her for future assignments, if she is top 2 here.

I don't think it's unreasonable to be sure it isn't a serious injury. She's refusing to skate her best quad because her injured leg can't support it. She's wearing tape quite a bit. Her coach has said it's a "serious injury/trauma". She had the worst performance of her life at Rostelecom. She's clearly injured. Yes, it is an opportunity the issue is she's also "clearly not in top shape". And RusFed will take into account those who are missing for future assignments. They've already said Nationals won't determine the team.

 

[chasingneverland]

Digging around Twitter and those Liza withdrawal rumors are strong.

She is said to still be suffering corona after affects.

There were withdrawl rumors even before Nationals even started, not even about just Liza. I hope they do withdraw her.

 

[chasingneverland]

I'm confused why Anna was even attempting a 4Lz, if anything I thought they would go for 2 4Fs. And it seems like she was gassed after the two 3-3s so didn't even go for the final 3Lz.

The spin afterwards was definitely not as usual. And then that step sequence. Did the SP yesterday take a lot out of her? I think she should withdraw.

Also Sasha skating injured too!! And Tuktamysheva. None of them should be skating and it would send a message if they didn't.

No. She's been doing both 4Lz and 4F's in practice all season. They've always gone with the one that is the most stable in practice in competition.

But agreed on all three should withdraw.

 

[chasingneverland]

I think, and you can call me blind worshipper, Eteri wanted to put warm jacket on Anna as fast as possible.

Yeah. I think she was also trying to shield Anna from the perception that she wasn't healthy enough to compete and the comments that were going to come from that. I think while it's obvious technically (I mean she hasn't lost any of her skills) and interpretation wise (still stunning as ever..in fact better than ever really) Anna is ready to compete, she's still recovering so don't have the lung strength and stamina yet to compete here. A skater struggling to breathe while almost being held up by their coach after a short program is worrying so I think Eteri was trying to get Anna's coat on and get her to "look" like she was okay.

 

[Scott512]

And this could certainly be part of the reason that Shcherbakova really wants that third national title in a row - all season we've been seeing stuff like this about Valieva, and here's Shcherbakova standing up and saying you aren't going to forget about me.

Absolutely. Anna has a very delicate look about her but a character that is very strong and powerful and she is ready for any challenge from any skater and to be able to compete and beat any of them. Today Anna's health is the big question.

When she skates EG has to let her know if she has a real chance at gold or not and if not to just water down her program on the fly. I think if she was going to withdraw she would have by now which means Anya has the okay from her parents to compete.

 

[alexocfp]

There were withdrawl rumors even before Nationals even started, not even about just Liza. I hope they do withdraw her.

She is a fighter no doubt.