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9yo Elena Kostyleva winning free and getting silver at Younger Novice Nats is special.
Her team mate of the same age Margarita Baziliuk reminds me Anna Shcherbakova
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Her team mate of the same age Margarita Baziliuk reminds me Anna Shcherbakova
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Hmm, I'd say Anastasia Gubanova was more talented overall. With Tarakanova I'm sure her wanting to quit the sport altogether played a role, it must be tough to stay motivated.
However, my favorite of the skaters to never make it to senior GP events is definitely Alexandra Proklova, I don't think that there still is anyone quite like her.
Her team mate of the same age Margarita Baziliuk reminds me Anna Shcherbakova
Fast rotation, good facial expressions, weak skating skills... I guess I can see it, although I think Baziliuk is a better jumper and not as good a performer. Although, well, it's tough to know how good Baziliuk can become with the jumps, but her rotation speed was so insane that I was thinking she could eventually do quads even some time ago already.
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if you mean 'easier to get' to Khrustal'nyi, then no - naming the new metro station "Sambo-70" is not about them (only), it's about the whole network of sport centres/schools (wrestling/martial arts/swimming/gymnastics/para-olympian/deaf sports/etc) that they have in the south-western part of Moscow (couple are in the north); existing 'Belyayevo' station is much closer to the rink (5 min walk) - they might rename it to 'Crystal' if/when another TT skater wins an Olympic goldMy reply is wayy too late for this, but just had the thought of "now it would be easier to get there".
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came here to say this. i will never get over her not making it to the senior level. she was so special.
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Really sad that Sasha P. got that injury and had to retire at 14 because of it. I believe she’s working with Triumph skating school at the moment.
It’s not that simple.
Explaining to a 12 years old child that you are second and your competitor won even with a fall is incomprehensible.
So I can understand that she has the feeling to be judged unfairly and why she’s crying.
How about 'Kamila Station'- they might rename it to 'Crystal' if/when another TT skater wins an Olympic gold
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She’s 12, not 5, she probably understands a thing or two about program composition and how scores are counted.
Though I do agree that it’s okay that the kid cried, some kids are just naturally more emotional and don’t hide their feelings, and even small things can upset them very quickly. So there’s nothing wrong with letting emotions out, she’s upset she didn’t win - she doesn’t have to pretend she’s happy about it.
The only part that is a little strange to me, is that both adults (her mom and her coach) are comparing this to Vancouver Olympics, and refusing to accept that there were actual mistakes that led to that result. I would’ve expected them to calmly have a look at the replay with the timer with Sofia and see how combo was performed too early (not the first time this season!), so that Sofia performs it later next time, but no... instead we have what we have.
Maybe I didn't express myself very well, but I was trying to say that it's fine and understandable for her to be upset and cry. It's her mother and coach's behaviors that I find weird.
I'm not necessarily saying they have a responsibility to go through the protocols and explain to her how she lost (I'm not qualified enough to know if that would actually help or not). I just feel like the social media dramatics, the comparisons to the Vancouver Olympics etc are just ridiculous and are setting her the wrong example.
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Okay, I don't get this comment. Anastasia G at the JGPF DID get high PCS. No one got 8's or 9's and she was tied with Alina and well ahead of everyone else. (Of course Polina missed this due to injury, Liza N got called up, and then Marin withdrew and everyone else made big mistakes and were called on under-rotations.)
In the FS - the one you're complaining about - she got a 62 (slightly below Alina (by like .1) who had a higher tech content and was expected to win if she was clean - and did and was (fairly)). Everyone else (including Liza N and Rika) got a 56.
Remember, junior PCS are capped. She was rewarded with high PCS.
(EDIT: Even now that junior PCS are starting to go up (mostly because difficulty is going up and the juniors can actually beat the seniors): Kamila got a 62 at the GPF last year (and she was perfectly clean). And Alena didn't even get a single 9 - although she had all 8s (and she was stunning and mistake-free)).
As for 2018 Junior Worlds - that one was affected by the Olympics. Stanislava was first alternate for Euros, the Olympics, and Worlds (Alena was too young to be first alternate and Polina couldn't put it together when it mattered
- although she was second alternate but they weren't going to send 3 Eteri skaters to either Euros, Olympics, or Junior or Senior Worlds if they could help it and well Polina made it easy for them). So they were going to send Stanislava somewhere..
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WHAT? Are you seriously suggesting that because Alina had higher TECH CONTENT she should get higher PROGRAM COMPONENTS? There's a reason those two categories are different and scored differently. Do I think Alina should've won the FS? Yes of course! But I completely disagree with her getting higher PCS (and higher SKATING SKILLS) than Nastya. Being able to do high tech content jump-wise has absolutely nothing to do with how well a skater emotes and performs or their quality of skating skills and transitions. Of course Alina is an extremely talented skater and she has good performance ability, but watch those two free skates back and back and you'll see that Nastya at the VERY LEAST, deserves higher SS than Alina. If, for some reason, you think that Alina had a better performance PE or IN wise, I can't say your wrong or anything, but again, at the very least, shouldn't Nastya have had at least half a point above Alina in skating skills? If your tech content plays such a major role in PCS why should PCS even exist anyways? This would be a different conversation if say, Nastya fell two times and Alina didn't, but no, they both went clean. So why should Alina get higher PCS just because she backloaded her jumps? If anything, it could be argued that she deserved lower PCS because of that (I personally disagree but still.... the CO guideline does want a "balanced program"). It's just like, do you think Sasha automatically should have higher PCS than say Satoko Miyahara just because Sasha can do quads?Okay, I don't get this comment. Anastasia G at the JGPF DID get high PCS. No one got 8's or 9's and she was tied with Alina and well ahead of everyone else. (Of course Polina missed this due to injury, Liza N got called up, and then Marin withdrew and everyone else made big mistakes and were called on under-rotations.)
In the FS - the one you're complaining about - she got a 62 (slightly below Alina (by like .1) who had a higher tech content and was expected to win if she was clean - and did and was (fairly)). Everyone else (including Liza N and Rika) got a 56.
Remember, junior PCS are capped. She was rewarded with high PCS.
As for 2018 Junior Worlds - that one was affected by the Olympics. Stanislava was first alternate for Euros, the Olympics, and Worlds (Alena was too young to be first alternate and Polina couldn't put it together when it mattered
And this junior PCS cap thing is foolish too. That performance was iconic and perfect, I don't care that she was only 14 at the time. Her age didn't automatically mean that it was worse than a senior performance.
And why do they have to send Stasya somewhere? RusFed has no obligation to send any skater anywhere.
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Definitely. You need to teach children how to lose with grace and with sportsmanship. How awful that the coach AND mother are such poor sports. It's now going to affect the way I view her skating, in a bad way. What they should have done is look over the protocols, see where points were lost, and improve from there. It's a subjective sport. Get used to not being the 'favorite' every time you take the ice.
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First of all, PCS are often directly related to TES. There is a "PCS bonus" for landing "ultra-c" elements.
Second of all, my point was they were TIED! (Not that Alina deserved higher PCS - .1 does not constitute higher PCS. They BOTH got 62. Also, Nastya WAS higher in PE and IN.
Also, at the time you were allowed to backload everything, so that wasn't frowned upon yet (or not allowed) - that happened after the Olympics - the Zagitova rule as it were. Also Alina didn't backload all her jumps at the time.
Also, I would be very surprised if a clean Sasha didn't have comparable PCS to Satoko. Sasha was already getting high PCS last year (same with Anna) and Sasha will be #2 while Satoko will be #3. (Also there are no JPN judges at World's for ladies this year.) (Besides that's seniors - there isn't a cap there. And comparing the two is actually ridiculous because they're "scored" completely differently.)
Also, while I agree that the PCS shouldn't be capped at the junior level - the fact is that they are, especially for first year international juniors. Aliona got a 60 her first year (not a single 8). Kamila a 62 (one super super low 8 - like 8.0 something) .
All this to say Nastya DID get a good PCS score for a junior. They weren't trying to lowball her - they were actually trying to reward her! That's my point! (I definitely agree that she deserved higher PCS throughout her career but at least pick a competition where she was lowballed with respect to her peers (without the junior cap.) One where the judges were trying to lowball her - that's not this competition.)
Also, officially yes. But the FED loves Stanislava - so they were definitely sending her somewhere at least - especially since she had to stay competition ready.
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Same reason why PCS corridors exist. Just think of it as the Politics Component Score. How many times have the topic of "suchandsuch coaches/schools don't have the political power" etc came up? It sucks that skaters merit isn't sufficient to overtake political prowess, but that's the reality we live in.
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I have a different theory. Gubanova was anointed as "the next big thing" when she was 12. And she was on the right trajectory. But the then the puberty hit her. And it was very fast and visible. I looked at her at one competition and it was like she had gained several kilos in just one month. You can call it body shaming. It's an objective reality, though. Gracie Gold gained weight. Yulia at one point gained weight. Less famous but also quite an obvious example of Angelina Kuchvalska who was 4th at 2016 Europeans. Then she caught the tough puberty and in a year I remember she always was the last or near with 120-140 scores.I guess there are things we’ll never understand
Gubanova meets every single criteria of a top PCS skater, and yes it’s a crime to give her mid 7s in SS in her senior years. As someone who’s seen some live competitions, I’d put her just behind Carolina Kostner, definitely among the tops. And her arms/ upper body movements are just dream to watch (even when she got some horrible programs in recent years...)
Those who decide on whom to bet on might have established the concept of one way road. So, once it happenned it will never change - it's the nature. And no matter how gorgeous Nastya's skating is (it has been always there) she will never overcome the lack of stability with jumps and URs. With so many girls around and just 3 spots their idea is "why bother?" Her task is "simple": 2-3 performances in a roll with 3-3s, no falls and URs. But apparently it's not that simple. And in such a situation those who make decisions do not drown Nastya - they just don't support her pushing up with pcs and stuff different skaters. Another obvious example is Liza T. At some point she also found herself in a similar situation of losing FED's support. Puberty was not the reason then. They just did not believe in her and her motivation. But kudos to Liza and Professor. They apparently did a lot of work to turn the table and get back her brand equity even in the age of young quadsters. Now suddenly Liza T got in Russia a massive PCS boost. Nastya G can do the same if she shows results. So far there are none.
And St.Petersburg has little to do with that. Of course, there always been and there will be some politics. But strong performances and consistency will always prevail anyway. Also, Stasya is from St. Petersburg. But at one point in time she was pushed up as if it were no tomorrow.
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Well, there shouldn't be higher PCS for skaters who do more difficult elements.
Re: the JGPF. I honestly think them being tied is also really unfair. Like, Nastya should be at least a point higher IMO. She threw her heart and soul into that program and while it was a good score at the time (WR!!) I still think it wasn't rewarded nearly enough for the maturity, beauty and wonder of the program. I would say she was being lowballed in comparison to her competitors. Being lowballed doesn't necessarily have to mean having the lowest PCS or anything. Just in comparison with how just Alina was scored, I'd say a lot of the skaters at the JGPF were underscored. In the grand scheme of things, I'd say Alina was underscored too in comparison to senior scoring but that's a whole other issue.
And I know sadly that Satoko and Sasha will probably get comparable PCS (less mad about it this season since Sasha's programs are really enjoyable and she's improved a ton but still upset), but I meant more like a "she would deserve to have PCS as high as Satoko's". Which I disagree with. Or in juniors I guess a similar comparison would be like Alysa Liu's FS compared to like Haein's or Daria's or Kseniia's (not as strong an argument since there's not that big a difference there but still). The issue I have is that the basis of getting higher PCS is higher tech content. Higher tech content should lead only to higher TES. There should be a clear boundary between the two (unless someone falls or has a huge mistake). But obviously that's a big issue that's been commonplace in FS for a long time now. Sadly the strong-PCS-but-not-strong-TES skaters are ones who are run over by this broken judging and thus skaters like Nastya Gubanova are buried in the deep field of Russian figure skating.
But again, I'm still mad at how the SS score has been completely manipulated by judges. Nastya should be getting the highest SS scores in Russia as long as she goes clean point blank. The only senior skaters who could compare are Aliona (and again, that would be Aliona that has visibly improved in stamina and speed) and well... maybe Kseniia Sinitsyna with a bit more experience. That's literally it. And yet she not only is not getting the highest SS, she often gets some really low SS scores. Example: Junior Nats 2018. How did Stasya get the highest PCS? and the highest by almost two points! Her SS score was the highest as well, which is... Again, I actually do like Stasya and I like her skating and that she kind of has a very classic Russian style, but come on!
Obviously Nastya has been "rewarded" in her skating career. Not nearly as much as everyone else, but I guess it would be inaccurate to say she's never been rewarded. She's always been given high-ish PCS (like the highest out of the "second tier" skaters I guess), but I still she deserves higher. I think part of it that she was from SPB, but also the fact that TAT seemed to like despise Nastya for some reason?
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The thing with that is it was only a World Record until Alina skated (about 5 minutes later).
The higher tech also doesn't apply to this - more Alina was the frontrunner if she was clean because of her higher TES - my point was that in spite of that they were tied. Which should actually say how much they DID value Anastasia G here and her skating skills and her skate/program here. That because Alina had just set the WR in the SP and because of her higher TES (in both programs) she would get a little PCS boost. And they STILL kept Nastya essentially tied with her. And that even if Nastya was a point or two higher it wouldn't have mattered- Alina beat her by like 14 points! Maybe that explains it better. (NOTE: Alina had also set the record for the SP here too. So she had the SP, FS, and total record here - and the first junior lady to score above 200 points.)
I don't think she was lowballed at all for the "invisible" cap that existed. And Nastya G's scores here did outscore Aliona as a first year junior at the GPF.
As for juniors nats and at that point Nastya wasn't a "favourite" or an "first tier skater", that's where you actually have a point - because there are Russian politics going on - but that didn't apply at all to the JGPF. At RusNats were giving Stasya PCS to get her to Junior Worlds - that much was super obvious and not the first time she's taken spots from more deserving skaters. (Polina and Ksenia are other ones.) (I do like Stasya - but the FED really really liked her for awhile.)
Her being from SPB has very little to do with her international scores as the JGPF, in this case. And that was my point. She WASN'T treated like a second tier skater here at the JGPF. She was actually one of there most promising talents here! The RusFed had super high hopes for her here!
It's better to use an example from where she WAS lowballed - and that's my point.
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I’m with you on this. The thing is, when one skater is visibly miles better than the other one, 0.1 difference in PCS says a lot. That’s why I’m pretty annoyed at the novice nationals from yesterday, where Krivonosova got 59.28 in PCS and Prineva (who had one big mistake) got 59.44. Sure, it’s only 0.16 difference - but really?? Note that Krivonosova has getting pretty much the highest PCS among her age group since 3 seasons ago. This 0.16 to me is like suggesting - “you need to upgrade your tech content, otherwise we are not going to give you deserving PCS”...and telling the other one “you don’t need to work on your PCS, as long as you skate your content with no more than one fall ...”
Also, I wouldn’t say Alina was dominating the juniors at that point - she won a 1st and a 3rd in JGP (including meltdown in them), whereas Nastya won two 1st places. So, the theory that “consistency should affect PCS” also didn’t play a role here.
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