2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[silveruskate]

Well, which sequence do you think shows superior edge control? Youtube link, minutes, seconds please. And then analyze what makes said edge control superior. Same for the crossovers. Thank you.

And do you know what I could say? "Judges scored Anna's skating skills higher but apparently you don't agree". That's not how you argue, though. It's appeal to authority.

If you yourself have no opinions of your own(appeal to authority) and have no ability to analyze skating skills, then how about you don't mock me for my opinions if you don't have the courage to present your own?

You must be kidding, just look at how difficult Kaori's step sequence is in comparison. Eteri's smarter by making Anna do steps enough that get her lvl4, but it's easy to see one is more difficult than another. Just look at how quickly she goes between steps. And skating skills isn't *just* step sequence either. Steps is just one of the bullets on that.

Weren't you the one crying that Aliona beat Anna in the EC20 and said Anna was champion? Suddenly you're soo into authority.

 

[Shayuki]

LMAO. You realize that sharp changes in direction and edge are very hard to produce? People doing "Deep Edges" with little to no rhythm isn't particularly a way to show control, though I can see how you'd think that.

Adding "lmao" and laughing faces...

No, it's definitely far rarer to be able to hold deep edges while maintaining perfect, complete control of the upper body. And Miyahara's turns aren't even clean, so I'm not sure how that somehow is a point in her favor. Maybe if she was performing them clean and precisely, but she's so sloppy.

What you don't seem to realize is I wasn't talking about the actual turns at all, but the edges.

See even the rocker turn you're talking about, she doesn't maintain full control of her upper body, she quickly needs to collapse. It doesn't have the flow. And of course, this rocker has minimal edge time before and after, quickly transitioning into two-footed skating again.

 

[Tally]

With fairly awarded PCS and GOE, and everyone doing their max BV layout cleanly, Trusova wins by a huge margin, Valieva a distant second, Shcherbakova in 3rd within short distance of Valieva.

Thanks IcyMathStats! Just learning over here, so I sincerely appreciate your reply. It looks like I posted in the midst of some argument, though, so be it! Lol.

 

[Skatesocs]

No, it's definitely far rarer to be able to hold deep edges.

No it's not. Literally everyone holds "deep edges" now - without rhythm and with bad technique in general which is something you keep ignoring. If Patrick Chan held a deep edge, we could talk about which is more difficult.

Adding "lmao" and laughing faces...

Yeah, so much worse than calling Kwan's programs "novice level" or saying Mao Asada was an "empty pond skater" or Rika Kihira "skates through the mud". You constantly insult skaters, better be ready to take the heat.

2:06 this video: https://www.instagram.com/p/CKYU2_NKZGj/

Same exit, isn't it? Actually, the spiral might be a more challenging one.

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[Scott512]

I don't even know what NCAA is and I don't care.
This is figure skating and yes, some amateur girl who likes to put on skates for 2h twice a week and goes to a competition in her community once in a while jumping doubles and one 3T, that's an amateur skater. And yes, that girl can't even begin to imagine what WC skaters have to endure physically and mentally, leave alone the Russian ladies.
So nothing dismissive towards "NCAA", or what not, to feel sorry for here, and nothing I need to "Stop".

So I repeat my point: It's perfectly normal for Anna to cry in a bad practice because psychological and physical pressure are normal at her level in any sport. Not because she's in any particularly alarming situation.
If you want to avoid that pain and pressure, don't go professional, stay amateur.

You don't know what the NCAA is? Then I take it you don't know what March Madness is either.

Well explained about Anna. Part of it is just pressure and stress and she did not get the world's last year because of Corona virus and she could have won that world title. No doubt there is pressure on her and all the other top ladies there.

 

[Shayuki]

No it's not. Literally everyone holds "deep edges" now - without rhythm and with bad technique in general which is something you keep ignoring. If Patrick Chan held a deep edge, we could talk about which is more difficult.

"Literally everyone holds them", so clearly you can show me a sequence where it's done better, right?

 

[Shayuki]

Yeah, so much worse than calling Kwan's programs "novice level" or saying Mao Asada was an "empty pond skater" or Rika Kihira "skates through the mud". You constantly insult skaters, better be ready to take the heat.

What that means is that Kihira's visibly slow and more laboured in comparison to Shcherbakova who looks as if she's floating across the ice. You clearly missed the context on that, since I specifically said that in comparison to Shcherbakova. It's not an insult.

 

[cohen-esque]

You think the botched counter exit off the loop showed superior edge control? Don't even know what to say about that one.

I mean, that’s... not even what she did there, and what she planned was done cleanly. (Although actually, it might have been sort of impressive if she had managed to botch an exit in the exit same way and with the exact same rhythm at every event?) Your inability to recognize steps/turns doesn’t make someone a weak skater, lol.

 

[dhjh811]

You must be kidding, just look at how difficult Kaori's step sequence is in comparison. Eteri's smarter by making Anna do steps enough that get her lvl4, but it's easy to see one is more difficult than another. Just look at how quickly she goes between steps. And skating skills isn't *just* step sequence either. Steps is just one of the bullets on that.

Weren't you the one crying that Aliona beat Anna in the EC20 and said Anna was champion? Suddenly you're soo into authority.

Yup, that's the one that has gone on several times about how Aliona's skating skills are overrated and how she was overscored by judges. But now, it's "Judges scored Anna's skating skills higher but apparently you don't agree. That's not how you argue, though. It's appeal to authority".
At least keep it consistent LOL.

It's weird how they seem to be reasonable on just about every other topic and suddenly gets tunnel vision for Anna. You can never convince them on anything even slightly negative about Anna's skating, so don't bother. I think even someone who's watched skating for a month can tell Miyahara and Kaori have better skating skills.

 

[Shayuki]

I mean, that’s... not even what she did there, and what she planned was done cleanly. (Although actually, it might have been sort of impressive if she had managed to botch an exit in the exit same way and with the exact same rhythm at every event?) Your inability to recognize steps/turns doesn’t make someone a weak skater, lol.

It is a cheated counter.

It's possible that she intentionally did just a three-turn, though. But a counter would be superior to it I'm sure, so I'm not sure why she'd intentionally perform an edge change into three-turn(which is a very common way to cheat a counter) instead of a counter. Mind explaining it to me when you are so much more familiar with it?

Oh yeah, I clearly have an inability to recognize steps and turns...

 

[Scott512]

Not so fast. Today was just a fluke -- overrotating a triple because intensive quad training over the past days, after recovering from injury. Trusova now has correct jumping technique (which is extremely important), and has shown massive improvements in skating skills and artistry. Barring circumstances such as illness/injury, she and Liza T. have the highest probability of making the Olympic team, as their correct technique makes them resilient to fluctuations in body mass and center of gravity.

Shcherbaova has been showing visible signs that the faulty technique relying on upper-body induced torque is starting to fail her, in the same way it failed Zagitova, Medvedeva, and Lipnitskaya in the past. Valieva also has major flaws in her technique, most visible in her weird axis position in the air, the wonky landings, and the wobbles in attaching a second jump to a combination. The Russian Cup Final amply exposed those flaws. As for the other girls, only Khromyk has quads, and they are not fully rotated or stable at all.

So the Olympic team will most probably be Sasha T., Liza T., and whichever third girl manages to be in top form next season.

You left out Aliona.

As for next season Sasha will be with her coaching team for the 2nd year there won't be interruptions in the off season training like their were this past season and hopefully she will be healthier. But she's got muscles everywhere so she is tightly muscled and that's a good thing and a not so good thing. Easy to pull muscles when you have them.

 

[Sk8FraSch]

great skating skills

OMG. What you read nowadays on skating board. Most of you dont know what good SS looks like it seems. Not surprised though as there's not many skater left demonstrating it. But this is priceless. And dont get me started with Scherbakova. Lets just say you can achieve speed having bad SS, just like her. Well I'm off anyway, had enough of uneducated BS for tonight.

 

[Shayuki]

Yup, that's the one that has gone on several times about how Aliona's skating skills are overrated and how she was overscored by judges. But now, it's "Judges scored Anna's skating skills higher but apparently you don't agree. That's not how you argue, though. It's appeal to authority".
At least keep it consistent LOL.

You might want to read my post again, seems you misunderstood it. I specifically said that I am not saying that.

It's weird how they seem to be reasonable on just about every other topic and suddenly gets tunnel vision for Anna. You can never convince them on anything even slightly negative about Anna's skating, so don't bother. I think even someone who's watched skating for a month can tell Miyahara and Kaori have better skating skills.

What? Plenty of times I've criticized her when others thought she was good. And I used to think that skating skills were holding her back, right? However, over the time she's greatly improved her skating skills. I simply recognize that.

 

[Tally]

You left out Aliona.

As for next season Sasha will be with her coaching team for the 2nd year there won't be interruptions in the off season training like their were this past season and hopefully she will be healthier. But she's got muscles everywhere so she is tightly muscled and that's a good thing and a not so good thing. Easy to pull muscles when you have them.

I agree that Sasha seems likely to make the team. Remember, they have a full season ahead of them before the OG, and Sasha has already shown such improvement in her SS. And she’s STRONG - she is more physically equipped to handle the excessive training that comes with the Olympics than the others, IMO. Don’t count her out. Ever... I also think Valieva will be here, bc she’s RusFed’s fav and bc she IS amazing, and will be young enough not to have gone through the dreaded Eteri breakdown yet. Not so sure on Anna. She’s a fighter, no doubt. But I worry about her health, tbh...

 

[Scott512]

It's going to be incredible to see who of the Russian ladies makes the Olympic team. Lyza is still there Anna and sasha will be favorites to make the Olympic team and alyona will be back in form and the KaMissile is coming!

 

[Scott512]

I agree that Sasha seems likely to make the team. Remember, they have a full season ahead of them before the OG, and Sasha has already shown such improvement in her SS. And she’s STRONG - she is more physically equipped to handle the excessive training that comes with the Olympics than the others, IMO. Don’t count her out. Ever... I also think Valieva will be here, bc she’s RusFed’s fav and bc she IS amazing, and will be young enough not to have gone through the dreaded Eteri breakdown yet. Not so sure on Anna. She’s a fighter, no doubt. But I worry about her health, tbh...

I enjoyed reading your post until the EG break down stuff. Geez.

 

[Shayuki]

It's going to be incredible to see who of the Russian ladies makes the Olympic team. Lyza is still there Anna and sasha will be favorites to make the Olympic team and alyona will be back in form and the KaMissile is coming!

What are the chances that the team will be something other than Shcherbakova, Trusova, Valieva? Kostornaya would likely need to actually learn a quad, just the 3A might not even be enough, and Khromykh is quite the wildcard.

 

[Tally]

I agree that Sasha seems likely to make the team. Remember, they have a full season ahead of them before the OG, and Sasha has already shown such improvement in her SS. And she’s STRONG - she is more physically equipped to handle the excessive training that comes with the Olympics than the others, IMO. Don’t count her out. Ever... I also think Valieva will be here, bc she’s RusFed’s fav and bc she IS amazing, and will be young enough not to have gone through the dreaded Eteri breakdown yet. Not so sure on Anna. She’s a fighter, no doubt. But I worry about her health, tbh...

 

[chasingneverland]

I’ve been lurking here for awhile, but rarely post. But I want to get some input from you experts here. If all three ladies skate a perfectly executed, clean SP and FS, what order would the podium be? (Hypothetical competition, not Worlds). Considering both base value and PCS, and assuming Sasha Trusova does a clean 5 quad FS. Kamila Valieva, Alexandra Trusova, and Anna Scherbakova.

Depends what layouts they do. But Sasha, Kamila, Anna.

 

[Tally]

I enjoyed reading your post until the EG break down stuff. Geez.

Lol, I thought that after I posted it, there would be some folks angry about that! I promise I respect Tutberitze, so very much. I’m a fan, I love all her skaters more than others. They have an “Eteri” quality - not sure what that is. Maybe the way they land their jumps with the extended free leg - wins me over every time. But I was just watching a video and the truth is many of her skaters have injuries super young. That’s a correlation, not a cause - effect. So my bad, for jumping to conclusions. Tbh, whatever she’s doing, it works in creating brilliant skaters. And I’m a fan. No offense intended